Our Undeclared Wars

[cradleandshoot]

I'm going under the belief that our technology can determine the back azimuth of these rockets in a matter of seconds. The survival method of these Rocketeers is shoot and scoot. They understand that counter fire will arrive fairly soon. It will also be extremely accurate if employed in a timely manner. If you take your sweet ass time it becomes next to useless.

[a fan]

Something is very Hinky with Bombardier Joes bombing campaign. Issue # 1 is you NEVER announce your plans to drop bombs to the people on the receiving end of those bombs. #2 is you don't have to give ANY OTHER country a heads up when, where and why your going to bomb the bad actors. #3 with all of that prior warning how many of you think any of the bad actors and their missiles weren't tucked away safe and sound far away from all of those smart bombs being launched at empty targets? I guess in the new world we live in that political correctness even includes strategic bombing of sensitive targets. Anybody out there in Dreamland think that these attacks on our ships and our soldiers won't start up again in a couple of weeks? After the Iranians and their proxies have had a good laugh at our ineptitude the attacks will begin all over again.

It wasn't a total loss. Those B-1 crews received some decent flight time in a combat environment.

Who would have guessed you wouldn't like his response no matter what he did?

So you have no idea what he should do? You're just gonna criticize him no matter who he kills or doesn't kill?

JFC we didn't tell them where we'd hit them and when. If you were right, why didn't those militias move their weapons warehouses, missile/rocket depots and personnel that we blew up? Our intelligence knows when and where they're moving if they do so.

It's all moot anyway. Do you really think they would sit on their thumbs after attacking US forces, believing we wouldn't retaliate? They've known we're gonna retaliate since they started shooting.

Doesn't seem like you did any real research on it.

I'll make this very simple. I don't have a problem with how President Biden chose to respond. I have a huge problem with the complete lack of discretion he used in going about that decision. You don't tell the bad actors your going to do something in any way shape or form. So the bad actors were told in advance what Joe was going to do. He spent more than enough time telegraphing in a manner the bad actors spot on understood. I think that is industrial strength stupid. Apparently you are cool and groovy with President Bidens approach. It looks like we just disagree. The proof will come in how long it takes the bad actors to get back to their old tricks.


To the last point you made you have to understand the difference between PROACTIVE and REACTIVE. The time to strike would have come at attack #1. The attack came after attack # 160ish and not until our personnel had been mortally wounded. Yeah, the bad actors probably figured out all on their lonesome it was time to lay low for a bit.

Cradle...the US (and Britain) have been hitting targets all winter. BEFORE the US base was hit in Jordan.

Here's one in Yemen in early Jan : https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics ... index.html

And one in Dec....https://apnews.com/biden-orders-strike- ... bc274e0000

He's a Neo-Con, Cradle. He's going to use the full force of the US military in this region. He ain't bashful, or a guy like me who thinks that OBVIOUS thing to do is get our people the F out of this pointless part of the world, and have them patrol US shores and borders.

[old salt]

Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics ... index.html

US-Based B-1 bombers says we mean business. How many in-flight refuelings required for the round trip? All active-duty B1 locations are in the Midwest and West.

Appears that the plan is to hit supply routes as well as other targets that keep these militias in Iraq and Syria supplied along Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

This was a USAF show, no Navy, even in theater. Use of the B-1's may be indicative of a pending shortage of munitions.
The B-1's can haul a lot of 500 lb dumb bombs, made smart with JDAM kits. Loading the bombs on the B-1's in CONUS means you don't have to transport the bombs in C-17's to Europe or the ME to load on F-15's/16's launching from there. It's a permissive air defense environment with little threat to the B-1's. The B-1's & their crews need to fly for proficiency anyway. This was an opportune mission they could perform from CONUS. I would not read too much into the choice of the ordnance delivery platform. It was just 2 x B-1's escorted by F-15E's who could also deliver bombs.

Meanwhile, IKE's F-18's are staying busy in the Red Sea, striking any Houthi drone or missile launcher that shows itself.
They could be in the Red Sea for several more months.
They have to reprovision & rearm at sea, unless they can go back pierside at Souda Bay Crete.

Apparently, Navy was heavily involved in the latest attacks against Houthi targets in Yemen along with the Brits (out of Cyprus).

If the Ike is in the Southern Red Sea/Arabian Sea, couldn't they also resupply out of Doha Qatar rather than heading all the way back to the Med

Ike could pull into Bahrain, but I don't know how much is stored there & 5th Flt might not want to make Ike a stationary target inside the Persian Gulf.
More likely they'd UNREP/VERTREP at sea from USNS Alan Shepard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Alan_Shepard

https://www.myshiptracking.com/vessels/ ... cker%20app.

[Kismet]

thx for the info

https://apnews.com/article/syria-iraq-s ... ccd50ce6ef

"At least 6 Kurdish fighters are killed in a drone attack on a Syrian base housing US troops
BEIRUT (AP) — A drone attack on a base housing U.S. troops in eastern Syria killed six allied Kurdish fighters late Sunday, in the first significant attack in Syria or Iraq since the U.S. launched retaliatory strikes over the weekend against Iran-backed militias that have been targeting its forces in the region.

The U.S.-backed, Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces said Monday the attack hit a training ground at al-Omar base in Syria’s eastern province of Deir el-Zour, where the forces’ commando units are trained. No casualties were reported among U.S. troops.

An umbrella group of Iran-backed Iraqi militias, dubbed the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, released a video claiming responsibility for the attack and showing them launching a drone from an unspecified location.

In late January, a drone attack by the same group killed three U.S. troops and wounded dozens more at a desert base in Jordan. The U.S. military launched dozens of retaliatory strikes targeting Iran-backed militant groups in western Iraq and eastern Syria and also struck the Houthis in Yemen."

[old salt]

Latest Red Sea strike
https://news.usni.org/2024/02/03/u-s-de ... hi-targets
https://news.usni.org/2024/02/05/usni-n ... feb-5-2024
U.S. and U.K. forces struck 36 sites in Yemen with a combination of Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles from destroyers and U.S. Navy and Royal Air Force fighters, reported USNI News.

Almost two dozen F/A18-E/F Super Hornets flying from USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) flew in the strikes with the TLAMS launched from USS Carney (DDG-64) and USS Gravely (DDG-107). ...Super Hornets used Joint Direct Attack Munition against the targets

“[The targets] included multiple underground storage facilities, command and control, missile systems, UAV storage and operations sites, radars, and helicopters.”

Red Sea chronicle
https://news.usni.org/2024/02/05/usni-n ... he-red-sea

Our next targets ?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/afte ... 20fatigues.
https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-spy-ship-b ... 03034.html

"Perhaps the better way to neutralize Behshad is by using what militaries call 'non-kinetic' means, most obviously by jamming its communications so it cannot pass intelligence to the Huthis on land,"

[NattyBohChamps04]

I do find it funny that so many military families are slurping the johnsons of a dude with "bone spurs" and a dude who crapped his pants for a week or two to get out of serving (and many more similar R's) in military decisions and support.

That was before the "losers", "suckers" and "I don't like people who got captured" and other slurs on the military. Mind bogglingly stupid.

[Kismet]

https://www.justsecurity.org/92349/key- ... -spy-ship/

"Earlier today, NBC reported, and the New York Times confirmed, that the United States conducted a “covert” cyber operation against an Iranian ship in the Red Sea, the MV Behshad, over a week ago. The MV Behshad is a merchant vessel registered to the Rahbaran Omid Darya Ship Management Company. It is believed to have been used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to provide the Houthis with real-time intelligence to guide strikes on ships transiting the Red Sea."

[NattyBohChamps04]

https://www.justsecurity.org/92349/key- ... -spy-ship/

"Earlier today, NBC reported, and the New York Times confirmed, that the United States conducted a “covert” cyber operation against an Iranian ship in the Red Sea, the MV Behshad, over a week ago. The MV Behshad is a merchant vessel registered to the Rahbaran Omid Darya Ship Management Company. It is believed to have been used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to provide the Houthis with real-time intelligence to guide strikes on ships transiting the Red Sea."

Biden coming in with the perfect response!

Katib Hezbollah says they're stopping their attacks on US forces, in deference to the Iraqi govt.
OK -- let's see if they stop. If they do, Iraq won't ask us to leave.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-01-30/

Meanwhile. Iran needs to feel some pain. I recommend an attack on their spy ship(s) in the Red Sea & Gulf of Aden which are providing targeting info for the Houthis. That does not necessarily mean sinking the ships, rather disabling them & forcing them back to their homeports in Iran.

+1 that sounds like the perfect response. Not an act of war but it sends a strong message.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.justsecurity.org/92349/key- ... -spy-ship/

"Earlier today, NBC reported, and the New York Times confirmed, that the United States conducted a “covert” cyber operation against an Iranian ship in the Red Sea, the MV Behshad, over a week ago. The MV Behshad is a merchant vessel registered to the Rahbaran Omid Darya Ship Management Company. It is believed to have been used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to provide the Houthis with real-time intelligence to guide strikes on ships transiting the Red Sea."

Biden coming in with the perfect response!

Katib Hezbollah says they're stopping their attacks on US forces, in deference to the Iraqi govt.
OK -- let's see if they stop. If they do, Iraq won't ask us to leave.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-01-30/

Meanwhile. Iran needs to feel some pain. I recommend an attack on their spy ship(s) in the Red Sea & Gulf of Aden which are providing targeting info for the Houthis. That does not necessarily mean sinking the ships, rather disabling them & forcing them back to their homeports in Iran.

+1 that sounds like the perfect response. Not an act of war but it sends a strong message.

A not so covert effort would have put this ship at the bottom of the sea. Of course that would really upset the Iranian government. How dare we compromise their ability to kill US service members.

[old salt]

Battle for the Red Sea

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-nav ... n=navy-dnr

[Kismet]

New development

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/business ... index.html

"Red Sea cables have been damaged, disrupting internet traffic
Damage to submarine cables in the Red Sea is disrupting telecommunications networks and forcing providers to reroute as much as a quarter of traffic between Asia, Europe and the Middle East, including internet traffic.

Cables belonging to four major telecoms networks have been “cut” causing “significant” disruption to communications networks in the Middle East, according to Hong Kong telecoms company HGC Global Communications.

HGC estimates that 25% of traffic between Asia and Europe as well the Middle East has been impacted, it said in a statement Monday.

The company said it is rerouting traffic to minimize disruption for customers and also “extending assistance to affected businesses.”

HGC did not say how the cables had been damaged or who was responsible."

[MDlaxfan76]

reported, don't click.

[Kismet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

[old salt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

Your talking crazy OS. The folks on this forum have declared without a doubt that the Hoooties have no capability to hit our destroyers. If that were to happen it would devastate Bidens attempt to get reelected. His only explanation for his ineptitude would be to blame Trump. Biden hasn't been able to prevent the Hoooties from launching missiles despite his concerted attempt to do so. The Hoooties are more than happy to have dumb f**k Joe as their primary adversary. He is the modern day equivalent of Gen. George McClellan. A man who never figured out when the time was right to stand and fight.
His failure to follow up on the bloody victory at Antietam is classic over cautious liberal thinking. Joe and George have so much in common when it comes to embracing ineptitude. Maybe dumb f**k Joe should be trying to find his Gen Grant? That would be the type of leader that is foreign to liberals. That would be a leader who only wants victory. That wouldn't work for FLP folks who are more comfortable with our military losing and being embarrassed in the process. Think the collosal disaster at retreating from Afghanistan. The Biden dumbass people who couldn't comprehend how a strategic withdrawal is accomplished. Sure, let the Taliban be in charge of security while you withdraw!! What could possibly go wrong?

IMO this monumental failure from dumb f**k Joe should become the crux of the Republican criticism come this fall. I can see political ads from the perspective of former military people who lived through this disaster that dumb f**k Joe created. Joe thought he had a timeline to meet and willingly and happily compromised the security of our military. I wonder why Joe ignored the concerns of his own generals?? Did he know better than them??

[Kismet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

You criticize the policies he supports - until you find out he's involved.

[old salt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

You criticize the policies he supports - until you find out he's involved.

Got an example ?

[OCanada]

That is rich

[Kismet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

You criticize the policies he supports - until you find out he's involved.

Got an example ?

You were griping about entire Biden ME policy with Iran = then I tell you McGurk was secretly negotiating with the Iranian and you voice your support for McGurk doing the same thing.

[old salt]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/15/worl ... talks.html

"Iran and U.S. Held Secret Talks on Proxy Attacks and Cease-Fire
Diplomats gathered in Oman in January, with the U.S. side seeking to stop attacks on Red Sea shipping and American bases, and Iran looking for a Gaza cease-fire."

Saltine's former hero, Brett McGurk led the US delegation - of course, the sailor now dislikes the guy and anything he does because he works for Joe Biden.

As usual, you are full of sh!t when you lie about what I post or think. Show us 1 word I have ever posted about McGurk that is not complimentary. I'm encouraged that McGurk is involved. You may have noticed the attacks on our bases in Iraq & Syria seem to have ceased. It will be good if the Red Sea attacks cease before the Houthis get lucky & one of their missiles gets through & hits one of our destroyers. We're using up our inventory on $2 million SM-2's to bring down their $2k drones. Time to let the IKE leave the Red Sea & head home.

You criticize the policies he supports - until you find out he's involved.

Got an example ?

You were griping about entire Biden ME policy with Iran = then I tell you McGurk was secretly negotiating with the Iranian and you voice your support for McGurk doing the same thing.

Show my words (not something you imagine) & any connection to McGurk.

If you review my posts (objectively - a challenge for you) you will see I come off as a McGurk fanboy, whether working for Trump or Biden.
search.php?keywords=McGurk&terms=all&au ... mit=Search