All Things Environment

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a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C17bgyCr ... BiNWFlZA==

Obama, Gore, Gates, Fauci and Soros just want that land for themselves.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:06 pm https://www.instagram.com/reel/C17bgyCr ... BiNWFlZA==

Obama, Gore, Gates, Fauci and Soros just want that land for themselves.
Is Hampton beach close to rye beach outside Portsmouth? Think they had something called like a million doable beach? I recall the homes were very close to the coast line without a lot of natural buffers. Worse than Topsail Beach in NC whose coastline is disappearing at like a mile every ten years or some crazy erosion.

Was a nice area though. Not similar to the Louisiana flood zone, er, state.
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I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:33 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:06 pm https://www.instagram.com/reel/C17bgyCr ... BiNWFlZA==

Obama, Gore, Gates, Fauci and Soros just want that land for themselves.
Is Hampton beach close to rye beach outside Portsmouth? Think they had something called like a million doable beach? I recall the homes were very close to the coast line without a lot of natural buffers. Worse than Topsail Beach in NC whose coastline is disappearing at like a mile every ten years or some crazy erosion.

Was a nice area though. Not similar to the Louisiana flood zone, er, state.
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:05 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:33 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:06 pm https://www.instagram.com/reel/C17bgyCr ... BiNWFlZA==

Obama, Gore, Gates, Fauci and Soros just want that land for themselves.
Is Hampton beach close to rye beach outside Portsmouth? Think they had something called like a million doable beach? I recall the homes were very close to the coast line without a lot of natural buffers. Worse than Topsail Beach in NC whose coastline is disappearing at like a mile every ten years or some crazy erosion.

Was a nice area though. Not similar to the Louisiana flood zone, er, state.
My favorite Jimi song.

“But something went wrong, surprise attack killed him in his sleep that night”
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
I think Mr Gates has a plan that will make him boatloads more money. Given the fact I see how expensive fresh produce is at Wegmans every week Gates has not yet tapped into the goldmine he has purchased. I'm certain he didn't purchase the farmland so he could watch weeds grow.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:43 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
I think Mr Gates has a plan that will make him boatloads more money. Given the fact I see how expensive fresh produce is at Wegmans every week Gates has not yet tapped into the goldmine he has purchased. I'm certain he didn't purchase the farmland so he could watch weeds grow.
Vertical farming in the unused commercial office space in or near large urban areas might make more sense for certain perishable crops. Transportation to market is a large price of produce.

Or we could keep doing the stupid shite we do —trucking produce from the desert Central Valley of CA across the country. Smart.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:43 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
I think Mr Gates has a plan that will make him boatloads more money. Given the fact I see how expensive fresh produce is at Wegmans every week Gates has not yet tapped into the goldmine he has purchased. I'm certain he didn't purchase the farmland so he could watch weeds grow.
It’s simply investing in tangible long duration illiquid assets. Not uncommon and anyone paying attention has seen the wealthiest in the country buying up land for a decade. Just time timberland or other long duration assets.

Capital planning, principal preservation. I’ve only commented 15 or more times on how if you’re paying attention our economy has shifted to a payment based one with everything being a subscription and little is tangibly owned anymore (you don’t even own the stuff you buy and download onto a iPhone, Apple can take it away anytime they want despite the purchase which is on a license effectively) meanwhile the uber wealthy are buying land, water, other tangible assets and folks should be paying attention before they sign up for stitch fix, razors for men etc.
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
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Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:43 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
I think Mr Gates has a plan that will make him boatloads more money. Given the fact I see how expensive fresh produce is at Wegmans every week Gates has not yet tapped into the goldmine he has purchased. I'm certain he didn't purchase the farmland so he could watch weeds grow.
It’s simply investing in tangible long duration illiquid assets. Not uncommon and anyone paying attention has seen the wealthiest in the country buying up land for a decade. Just time timberland or other long duration assets.

Capital planning, principal preservation. I’ve only commented 15 or more times on how if you’re paying attention our economy has shifted to a payment based one with everything being a subscription and little is tangibly owned anymore (you don’t even own the stuff you buy and download onto a iPhone, Apple can take it away anytime they want despite the purchase which is on a license effectively) meanwhile the uber wealthy are buying land, water, other tangible assets and folks should be paying attention before they sign up for stitch fix, razors for men etc.
This.
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
Afan - I'd be curious what your farmer friends have to say about this guys premise...how much they have seen/witnessed soil and crop changes with new chemicals, seeds, changes in fertlizer, bug pestidisdes etc....along with concerns over climate issues.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:29 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:43 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:21 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:05 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:56 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:43 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
Planting is believing...

I'm tolerably sure plants aren't "woke."

https://www.climatecentral.org/climate- ... north-2019
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
Thanks for the link YA. This gentleman is my new hero. His video finally explains why a guy like Bill Gates is gobbling up farmland like some people gobble up Thanksgiving dinner. His observations are nothing short of brilliant. While everyone is looking up at the sky nobody is looking at what is happening below their feet. What farmer worth his or her salt doesn't understand the importance of taking care of the soil. In my little garden I normally fertilize it the way my dad did in his tiny tomato patch. Cow manure and Pete moss spread evenly and worked into the soil. I've never used an insecticide on my vegetable plants ever. I've paid the price. Last season a fungus wiped out my acorn squash in about 3 days. Too much rain was also a problem last season. My tomato crop was pathetic from past years. I use to worry about aphids but now slow ripening and end blossom rot took its toll. Thanks again for posting that informative video.
Phosphorous. You know, ADP->ATP, electron transport chain.

Now, dealing with that issue is serious.
Any clue what Bill Gates plan is?? He now owns a huge chunk of the nations farm land.
Like a good predatory hyper-capitalist that he is, I’d guess maximizing his return on investment.

What do you think?

A more interesting play might be buying up what is currently un-farmable land in the far North. Question is, what is nutrient assay, and how long after thawing until the necessary bacterial biome is “online” and functioning.

On a related note, what portion of Bill’s lands have adequate water supply? How many are located in the exhausted land of the central plain states? No water, no nutrients, degraded bacterial biome. Completely dependent on organo-phosphates.


Oh, and before I forget, “fcuk you, Earl Butz!!”
I think Mr Gates has a plan that will make him boatloads more money. Given the fact I see how expensive fresh produce is at Wegmans every week Gates has not yet tapped into the goldmine he has purchased. I'm certain he didn't purchase the farmland so he could watch weeds grow.
It’s simply investing in tangible long duration illiquid assets. Not uncommon and anyone paying attention has seen the wealthiest in the country buying up land for a decade. Just time timberland or other long duration assets.

Capital planning, principal preservation. I’ve only commented 15 or more times on how if you’re paying attention our economy has shifted to a payment based one with everything being a subscription and little is tangibly owned anymore (you don’t even own the stuff you buy and download onto a iPhone, Apple can take it away anytime they want despite the purchase which is on a license effectively) meanwhile the uber wealthy are buying land, water, other tangible assets and folks should be paying attention before they sign up for stitch fix, razors for men etc.
This.
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Why Horton's $291 Mil Buy Of Vidler Makes Such A Big Splash
19 Apr 2022
Why Horton's $291 Mil Buy Of Vidler Makes Such A Big Splash
Left: David Auld, President and CEO of D.R. Horton
Right: Dorothy Simian-Palmer, President and CEO of Vidler Water Resources

It's already hard enough to get land these days that's permitted to build on. But that's barely the half of it. Now, you've got to make sure – particularly in sizzling hot, active housing markets in the U.S.'s western region – you've locked in access to water. Here's the news announced late last week and scrubbed for clarity by the editors of The Real Deal:

The nation’s largest homebuilder is buying a water services company in an all-cash deal to ensure it has enough water for its communities.
D.R. Horton said Thursday that it bought Carson City, Nevada-based Vidler Water Resources. The total equity of the deal is valued at about $291 million, according to the announcement previously reported by the Dallas Morning News.
The Arlington-based developer said the acquisition was needed to satisfy a “lack of adequate water supply” that many of its markets are facing.
Vidler is a subsidiary of Vidler Water Company, which sources, develops and provides water resources to fast-growing communities lacking or running short of available water. The company has relationships with regulators, utilities, Native American tribes, community leaders, developers and alternative energy companies.
On the surface, it's a $291 million real estate deal. That's not a small mergers and acquisition transaction, but by no means a major one for the nation's largest homebuilding enterprise to ingest, as it plans to do as it settles the transaction – barring the merits of those contesting the merger – within its fiscal Q2.

Still, that's the thing about water. It's not just on the surface. It's in the ground, below the surface, and whoever has dibs on water has a lot of say on what happens on the surface. That makes this a big deal. A very big one.

It's a $291 million real estate deal that could alter land values, community development, economic growth, and, ultimately the future of lives and livelihoods in a drought-ridden Western U.S.A.


Image courtesy of Drought.gov
What's more, it's a deal that could finally pivot discussion, negotiation, and valuation of land and future residential community and lot development in the context of what's happening in real-time on the climate front.

A strategic-level residential land development executive we talk to, fascinated by news of this $291 million deal, notes:

Water is the ultimate weapon in the Western U.S. to prevent growth."
Let's back up a bit, and then zero in on specifics, shall we?

Water is the driving force of all nature." – Leonardo da Vinci

And a Pulitzer-winning journalist and teacher, the late Alice Steinbach of the Baltimore Sun, wrote:

I suppose that, after the passion of love, water rights have caused more trouble than anything else to the human species.
A one-page press statement regarding D.R. Horton's agreement to acquire Vidler hardly does justice to a combination capable of sweeping impact, not only on Horton's own community and new home development in the thirsty regions, but as a "sluice gatekeeper" for other builders and developers within the Vidler regional footprint.

The issue that makes this combination a massively important one in the Western states is this:

The next few years will be a critical policy planning period for Western water agencies, culminating in the particularly pivotal year of 2026. The drought contingency plans for the Upper and Lower Basins of the Colorado River, which have helped further the understanding that the status quo is no longer sustainable, will expire that year and likely undergo significant changes. In the plans, first approved by Congress in 2019, the seven Colorado River Basin states committed to protect the water levels of Lake Powell and Lake Mead — the human-made reservoirs that store Colorado River water and serve the basin states — through various conservation mechanisms.
Not only will the Colorado River Drought Contingency Plan expire in 2026, so too will the 2007 Colorado River Interim Guidelines for Lower Basin Shortages and Coordinated Operations for Lake Powell and Lake Mead, as well as the terms of the International Boundary and Water Commission’s Minute 323 — an updated “implementing agreement” of the Mexican Water Treaty of 1944 that established U.S.-Mexico protocols for collaborative management of the Colorado River. Experts agree that new negotiations on the interim guidelines, as well as between the U.S. and Mexico on a new Minute, will be instrumental in shaping collaborative water management for the future, which will no doubt involve serious consideration of climate change projections.
What builders and developers need to know

To get at the "sweeping" nature of this combination, we'll dive into some of each organization's publicly-available SEC documents for perspective.

First-off, it's helpful to know the fundamental trading unit that underpins the value of a D.R. Horton-Vidler combination. That unit, the water measure equivalent of land in acreage goes by the name "water right."

Where water rights get their value and the way they're measured is explained in the Our Business section of the Vidler 10K, dated March 18, 2022, noting:

A water right is the legal right to divert water and put it to beneficial use. Water rights are real property rights which can be bought and sold and are commonly measured in acre-feet ("AF"), which is a measure of the volume of water required to cover an area of one acre to a depth of one foot and is equal to 325,850 gallons. Almost all of our inventory of water rights are groundwater rights (water pumped from underground aquifers or basins) located and governed by the state of Nevada.
Here's where Vidler, formerly a unit of Northern California and Northwest homebuilding operator [now part of Century Communities] UPC's parent PICO Holdings, makes its living, as eloquently described by High Country News writer Matt Jenkins in an April 2003 article profiling Vidler Water Co., and its then-president Dorothy Timian-Palmer:

Out here in a rock-strewn, desolate sweep of creosote bush and blackbrush called the Tule Desert, there’s a patch of land bulldozed clear of vegetation. Standing in the middle of it is a well called PW-1. It doesn’t look like much; just a 32-inch-diameter steel pipe, painted black and sticking out of the desert. But in heartbreak country like Lincoln County, it’s a beacon of hope.
Over a century ago, the county’s mining towns — places with names like Hiko and Pioche — boomed with the discovery of gold and silver. Now, they’re dirt-poor. The county sprawls across 10,634 square miles, and has just 4,500 residents. Economically, they’re in a straitjacket: Ninety-eight percent of the land is federally owned, so opportunities for private development are limited and tax revenues are woefully small. But PW-1 taps the magical — and most elusive — ingredient in the recipe for economic success in the West: water.
Now, for perspective, also part of the March 18, 10K filing is a summary list of Vidler water rights and water related assets in Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. The company has also developed and operates a water storage facility near Phoenix. The summary of significant water assets, as of December 31, 2021, includes:

Fish Springs Ranch, near Reno, NV: 12,628 acre-feet of permitted water rights, of which 7,628 acre-feet designated as water credits; also the site of a 2,600-acre solar panel and battery storage facility
Carson/Lyon, Carson City, NV: anticipated 4,191 acre-feet
Vidler Arizona Recharge Facility: Banking water from the Colorado River, with Long Term Storage Credits of 195,682 acre-fee
Phoenix AMA Water Storage: Banking water, 27,397 acre-feet for the Phoenix metro area
Harquahala Valley Ground Water Basin: 1,926 acres for lease to solar development
Lincoln County, NV: filed applications for 100,000 acre-feet of water rights, anticipating up to 40,000 acre-feet permitted.
Tule Desert Groundwater Basin: through Lincoln/Vidler applications, 10,140 acre-feet of permitted water rights, with an additional 4,340 acre-feet, the subject of staged pumping and development
Kane Springs, NV: Applications for about 17,375 acre-feet, including 500 acre-feet for sale to Coyote Springs Investments
Apart from those holdings, Vidler added another array of water assets;

Source: SEC filings
Dorothy Timian-Palmer, president and ceo of Vidler has said:

We believe we have the strongest team in the business with expertise in Geology, Hydrology, Environmental Permitting, Water Rights, Project Engineering, Political Affairs, Transaction Structuring and Analysis."
Source: Vidler Water Resources
In a Western U.S. region of basins and ranges, of upper and lower basins and streams and supplies, of cities and towns and prairies and deserts, of residential, and agricultural, and of private and Bureau of Land Management, and Native American properties, water is simply the past, present, and future of this region, and those who lock-up water rights and licenses to trade, own a big say in that future.

But not without complexity – ownership, access, legal, political, and environmental – no single issue is as fraught. Our real estate strategic executive source tells us:

There is no more important issue in the west, and it's the ultimate control on development," He says. "While there are some commonalities in water law in CA, AZ, NV and CO, each is different. Not only is it a resource problem, it's super-charged politically. Move water from an agricultural area to a theoretically higher- and best-use, and small towns literally and figuratively dry up. Inter-basin transfer issues. Rural vs. Urban, growth vs. no growth.
Upper basin states vs. lower basin states. Pricing mechanisms that don't let the market work. Surface water vs. ground water. Seniority of water rights and definitions of beneficial use. AZ is in the worst shape for Colorado River water, but has been the most proactive in its programs, so it acts like it can grow forever. Environmental activists vs cities (what rights do fish and kayakers have????). The complications are endless.
Now, D.R. Horton, which does about 27% of its homebuilding operations business in the U.S. Western States, and which owns 63% of Forestar Group, which as of March this year reports that it controls – owned and controlled – on the order of 97,o00 residential lots for sale both to Horton and to other builders, has a lock on one of the critical water rights sources in the Western U.S.

Under the terms of the Master Supply Agreement, we [Forestar] supply finished lots to D.R. Horton at market terms and both companies identify land development opportunities to expand our portfolio of assets. Of our total owned residential lots, approximately 21,000 are under contract to sell to D.R. Horton. Additionally, D.R. Horton has the right of first offer on approximately 18,200 of our owned residential lots based on executed purchase and sale agreements
The value of those water rights, those tens of thousands of acre-feet of water access no doubt, will flow first through to D.R. Horton community developments and homes, and then to other homebuilder developers for a price. It'll be a price other builders and developers had better be able and willing to pay, or else all that money they've invested in the ground itself may not have the value they thought it did.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
Afan - I'd be curious what your farmer friends have to say about this guys premise...how much they have seen/witnessed soil and crop changes with new chemicals, seeds, changes in fertlizer, bug pestidisdes etc....along with concerns over climate issues.
Notice how young he is. This is the stereotypical "I have all the solutions" guy who just got out of college, and has NO IDEA that we've been working on everything he's mentioning for DECADES...not just some dude with a mustache. Real Engineers like my brother. He's talking about chemical companies from WWII? Tinfoilhat nonsense.

Do you remember what soda cans looked like in the 70's? How much thinner are they now? Still strong. Still do the job. How much less weight is being moved on roads and rails because of this?

Farmers and University Extension offices (think: Cornell Ag) have spent the last several decades helping farmers REDUCE pesticide use. This could mean everything from breeding to GM's. Same goes for water and mineral usage.

Our use of these things is WAY down from where it once was. And the EU's use is even lower. Can't speak to other countries, but if it costs money? BIgAg is trying to reduce the use. Because: duh.

If the US and EU would finally accept GMO's? This guy would get what he's asking for.....good crops that don't need pesticides, and make better use of nutrients and need less water. GMO's are the future, imho. But the 1st world doesn't like them, so.....
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Re: All Things Environment

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a fan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:52 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
Afan - I'd be curious what your farmer friends have to say about this guys premise...how much they have seen/witnessed soil and crop changes with new chemicals, seeds, changes in fertlizer, bug pestidisdes etc....along with concerns over climate issues.
Notice how young he is. This is the stereotypical "I have all the solutions" guy who just got out of college, and has NO IDEA that we've been working on everything he's mentioning for DECADES...not just some dude with a mustache. Real Engineers like my brother. He's talking about chemical companies from WWII? Tinfoilhat nonsense.

Do you remember what soda cans looked like in the 70's? How much thinner are they now? Still strong. Still do the job. How much less weight is being moved on roads and rails because of this?

Farmers and University Extension offices (think: Cornell Ag) have spent the last several decades helping farmers REDUCE pesticide use. This could mean everything from breeding to GM's. Same goes for water and mineral usage.

Our use of these things is WAY down from where it once was. And the EU's use is even lower. Can't speak to other countries, but if it costs money? BIgAg is trying to reduce the use. Because: duh.

If the US and EU would finally accept GMO's? This guy would get what he's asking for.....good crops that don't need pesticides, and make better use of nutrients and need less water. GMO's are the future, imho. But the 1st world doesn't like them, so.....
I’m pro GMO.

Didn’t the Cornell AG station in Geneva create DDT back in the day? Pretty sure that’s correct.
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Re: All Things Environment

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:25 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:52 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:24 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:42 am Time to pick your poison....Trusted Harvard and Smithsonian Employee or backed by big coal.

Dr. Wille Soon: https://x.com/SpartaJustice/status/1746 ... 19624?s=20

Trust the science, from a scientist they say... :lol:
You don't have to so much as listen to scientists.

Ask your local farmer. Ask them about wild weather swings, and how much more frequent they are then when they were kids.

Republicans believe farmers, right? Talk to them. If you don't leave the conversation scared, or at least worried, you're not listening.

Or listen to people like me who work with farmed materials.

I just listened to an entire Master Brewer's Assn broadcast where the entire industry, for the first time ever, has to seriously consider changing the raw materials used to make beer because the quality of malting-barley is all over the place. And this is ALL growing regions of the world.

The long and the short of it is that for the last 150 years, you'd get one crazy year for barley for every ten years of normal. Now it's the other way around......9 years of abnormal crop years, and 1 that's "normal".

You can say that we're not getting the cause of this issue correctly identified if you want. But no bones about it.....our Earth is changing. And not in a good way.
It's never about money. Maybe...just maybe, we all being bamboozled: https://www.facebook.com/reel/720201783385543
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:40 pm
Afan - I'd be curious what your farmer friends have to say about this guys premise...how much they have seen/witnessed soil and crop changes with new chemicals, seeds, changes in fertlizer, bug pestidisdes etc....along with concerns over climate issues.
Notice how young he is. This is the stereotypical "I have all the solutions" guy who just got out of college, and has NO IDEA that we've been working on everything he's mentioning for DECADES...not just some dude with a mustache. Real Engineers like my brother. He's talking about chemical companies from WWII? Tinfoilhat nonsense.

Do you remember what soda cans looked like in the 70's? How much thinner are they now? Still strong. Still do the job. How much less weight is being moved on roads and rails because of this?

Farmers and University Extension offices (think: Cornell Ag) have spent the last several decades helping farmers REDUCE pesticide use. This could mean everything from breeding to GM's. Same goes for water and mineral usage.

Our use of these things is WAY down from where it once was. And the EU's use is even lower. Can't speak to other countries, but if it costs money? BIgAg is trying to reduce the use. Because: duh.

If the US and EU would finally accept GMO's? This guy would get what he's asking for.....good crops that don't need pesticides, and make better use of nutrients and need less water. GMO's are the future, imho. But the 1st world doesn't like them, so.....
I’m pro GMO.

Didn’t the Cornell AG station in Geneva create DDT back in the day? Pretty sure that’s correct.
More from Cornell.

"When a disease-causing fungus emerges as a novel fungal pathogen, its arrival can often be traced back to something humans have done. We move fungi from their native hosts and locales to new places and provide them with an opportunity to infect new hosts. If we practice prevention, if we are more careful, and have more regulations around the transport of plants and animals around the world, we may reduce the introduction of at least some novel fungal pathogens. Preventing new outbreaks through greater awareness and by supporting prevention policies and regulation is our collective responsibility."

https://nextbigideaclub.com/magazine/bl ... ite/44014/

"Earlier this year, the Cornell University Plant Disease Diagnostic Clinic (CU-PDDC) used a new rapid test they developed to identify a small number of oak trees with oak wilt disease on Long Island, in the town on Central Islip.

This is a significant find and only the second location and third time that oak wilt has been identified in New York state, as it was confirmed in Schenectady County in 2008 and again in 2013, said Karen Snover-Clift, director of CU-PDDC, which collaborates closely with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) and the Department of Agriculture and Markets (NYSDAM) by providing diagnoses and research on plant diseases."

https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2016/0 ... e-oak-wilt
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