Transfer Portal 2022

[Typical Lax Dad]

Why a Duke/ Danowski or Maryland/Tillman needs to resort to the transfer portal is beyond me since they already have recruiting advantages and tend to annually haul in top classes year in, year out.

Telling me those respective staffs cant develop their 4-5 star recruits and compete on that basis for a championship? Watching damn good players getting displaced is a disgrace

Same to a varying degrees for ND, Denver and Rutgers in that order who went heavy.

Pleased that UVA won again without resorting to acquiring several transfers.

True challenge of competition is selecting and developing your own, not picking up number of players developed by others.

So acquiring an all-american transfer in Bertrand is ok and fair, but that's the limit! Is having the #1 recruit in Ryan Conrad followed by the #1 recruit Shellenberger true to the challenge of competition (playing alongside #2 recruit Dox Aitken plus #1 midfielder Matt Moore)?

Exactly. Thanks for reinforcing my point about the inherent recruiting advantage that Duke and Maryland share with UVA . There should be no need to bring in several and displaced what you've recruited and should have developed.

I just can’t disagree more here. The Terps lost Avanzato (One of Towson’s leading scorers) and Pallonetti (SB leading scorer) not because they couldn’t play but b/c we had a log jam of talent. There are only 20 guys that play most of the minutes. It’s more like they leave for greener pastures / playing time and we fill a hole/ depth when they depart. It’s essentially a trade. Most would call that great roster management. How do you “develop” Pallonetti to overtake Logan W? He was going to have to watch him….

Didn’t Logan transfer in?

[AreaLax]

Why a Duke/ Danowski or Maryland/Tillman needs to resort to the transfer portal is beyond me since they already have recruiting advantages and tend to annually haul in top classes year in, year out.

Telling me those respective staffs cant develop their 4-5 star recruits and compete on that basis for a championship? Watching damn good players getting displaced is a disgrace

Same to a varying degrees for ND, Denver and Rutgers in that order who went heavy.

Pleased that UVA won again without resorting to acquiring several transfers.

True challenge of competition is selecting and developing your own, not picking up number of players developed by others.

So acquiring an all-american transfer in Bertrand is ok and fair, but that's the limit! Is having the #1 recruit in Ryan Conrad followed by the #1 recruit Shellenberger true to the challenge of competition (playing alongside #2 recruit Dox Aitken plus #1 midfielder Matt Moore)?

Exactly. Thanks for reinforcing my point about the inherent recruiting advantage that Duke and Maryland share with UVA . There should be no need to bring in several and displaced what you've recruited and should have developed.

I just can’t disagree more here. The Terps lost Avanzato (One of Towson’s leading scorers) and Pallonetti (SB leading scorer) not because they couldn’t play but b/c we had a log jam of talent. There are only 20 guys that play most of the minutes. It’s more like they leave for greener pastures / playing time and we fill a hole/ depth when they depart. It’s essentially a trade. Most would call that great roster management. How do you “develop” Pallonetti to overtake Logan W? He was going to have to watch him….

Didn’t Logan transfer in?

Yes as a freshman. My understanding there were several reasons for leaving Cuse.

[AreaLax]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

[uvaumdlaxfam]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

Don't know which FO in the portal can even make a difference for the Terps. Maybe Tygh with the upside and multiple years of eligibility? But he has been disappointing so far.

[jrn19]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

Don't know which FO in the portal can even make a difference for the Terps. Maybe Tygh with the upside and multiple years of eligibility? But he has been disappointing so far.

The Hobart kid was over 60% this year. Not sure if he can replicate that in the Big Ten but at least gives them multiple options with him and Wierman and having multiple options has always been something they’ve been able to exploit well

[oldbartman]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

Don't know which FO in the portal can even make a difference for the Terps. Maybe Tygh with the upside and multiple years of eligibility? But he has been disappointing so far.

The Hobart kid was over 60% this year. Not sure if he can replicate that in the Big Ten but at least gives them multiple options with him and Wierman and having multiple options has always been something they’ve been able to exploit well

Drew Blanchard was 13-23 v SJUs Cole who was 3rd team/HM AA and it wasn't even as close as the stats say. UMD would be lucky to have him. He'll have no problem getting in to any program as he graduated Ph Beta Kappa.

[oldbartman]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

Don't know which FO in the portal can even make a difference for the Terps. Maybe Tygh with the upside and multiple years of eligibility? But he has been disappointing so far.

The Hobart kid was over 60% this year. Not sure if he can replicate that in the Big Ten but at least gives them multiple options with him and Wierman and having multiple options has always been something they’ve been able to exploit well

Drew Blanchard was 13-23 v SJUs Cole who was 3rd team/HM AA and it wasn't even as close as the stats say. UMD would be lucky to have him. He'll have no problem getting in to any program as he graduated Phi Beta Kappa.

[ABClaxfan]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

attackman

[DMac]

Scanlan?

[Wheels]

attackman

Well, that leaves 1 of 2 choices.

[Farfromgeneva]

Is it fair to say if you had 3 starters or more from the transfer portal that would make you a big user? Just curious?

I would say 3 starters makes you a team that works the transfer portal. Duke had 2 starters. Did Denver have 3? TD split time as a starter. I believe ND had 3 at least? 2 starters isn’t heavily using the portal? Last year was an anomaly in my mind….I want to see who are frequent users of the portal over the next few seasons. Part of my needle is that we all tend to exaggerate….Duke took a lot of arrows and it was only 2 starters Sowers and Adler but I could he wrong…..Rutgers and ND are all in this season it seems. BTW, Maryland has been historically a strategic user of the transfer wire. Tillman seems to use it annually to fill holes. Not sure how active they are now. My guess is he is going to stick to his formula.

I think Duke took the arrows because the two were first team and third team AAs.

I also think you have to look beyond just transfer starters. If the transfers are in the regular rotation, they are taking playing time away from some existing players on the roster…….I think Duke had a lot more than just the 2 transfers in their rotation. I guess the positive is that kids are leveraging lacrosse into getting an extra year of Grad school …..That wasn’t true at every program but was for many at Duke, Virginia and UNC, and others

Are SSDM and LSM bench players? If you had to guess, who were the other transfers in Duke’s rotation?

what happened to the fogo from HC that went there? Philip Robertson was expected to do more when he made the move but as a grad student from an Ivy and his brother was there as mitigating circumstances. If those two had done more, and potentially could've, then you'd be looking at four major contributors who weren't organic by any means.

(BTW, wasting an MBA from anywhere without any work experience is not the optimal move IMO).

[Farfromgeneva]

Why a Duke/ Danowski or Maryland/Tillman needs to resort to the transfer portal is beyond me since they already have recruiting advantages and tend to annually haul in top classes year in, year out.

Telling me those respective staffs cant develop their 4-5 star recruits and compete on that basis for a championship? Watching damn good players getting displaced is a disgrace

Same to a varying degrees for ND, Denver and Rutgers in that order who went heavy.

Pleased that UVA won again without resorting to acquiring several transfers.

True challenge of competition is selecting and developing your own, not picking up number of players developed by others.

So acquiring an all-american transfer in Bertrand is ok and fair, but that's the limit! Is having the #1 recruit in Ryan Conrad followed by the #1 recruit Shellenberger true to the challenge of competition (playing alongside #2 recruit Dox Aitken plus #1 midfielder Matt Moore)?

Exactly. Thanks for reinforcing my point about the inherent recruiting advantage that Duke and Maryland share with UVA . There should be no need to bring in several and displaced what you've recruited and should have developed.

I just can’t disagree more here. The Terps lost Avanzato (One of Towson’s leading scorers) and Pallonetti (SB leading scorer) not because they couldn’t play but b/c we had a log jam of talent. There are only 20 guys that play most of the minutes. It’s more like they leave for greener pastures / playing time and we fill a hole/ depth when they depart. It’s essentially a trade. Most would call that great roster management. How do you “develop” Pallonetti to overtake Logan W? He was going to have to watch him….

Thats a hamster wheel that inertia can blow up as well. Short termism which can buy a long term contract for a coach and a lot of rope but is it in the long term best interest of the program and institution?

[jrn19]

Is it fair to say if you had 3 starters or more from the transfer portal that would make you a big user? Just curious?

I would say 3 starters makes you a team that works the transfer portal. Duke had 2 starters. Did Denver have 3? TD split time as a starter. I believe ND had 3 at least? 2 starters isn’t heavily using the portal? Last year was an anomaly in my mind….I want to see who are frequent users of the portal over the next few seasons. Part of my needle is that we all tend to exaggerate….Duke took a lot of arrows and it was only 2 starters Sowers and Adler but I could he wrong…..Rutgers and ND are all in this season it seems. BTW, Maryland has been historically a strategic user of the transfer wire. Tillman seems to use it annually to fill holes. Not sure how active they are now. My guess is he is going to stick to his formula.

I think Duke took the arrows because the two were first team and third team AAs.

I also think you have to look beyond just transfer starters. If the transfers are in the regular rotation, they are taking playing time away from some existing players on the roster…….I think Duke had a lot more than just the 2 transfers in their rotation. I guess the positive is that kids are leveraging lacrosse into getting an extra year of Grad school …..That wasn’t true at every program but was for many at Duke, Virginia and UNC, and others

Are SSDM and LSM bench players? If you had to guess, who were the other transfers in Duke’s rotation?

what happened to the fogo from HC that went there? Philip Robertson was expected to do more when he made the move but as a grad student from an Ivy and his brother was there as mitigating circumstances. If those two had done more, and potentially could've, then you'd be looking at four major contributors who weren't organic by any means.

(BTW, wasting an MBA from anywhere without any work experience is not the optimal move IMO).

He got beat out by Naso and barely played. I remember saying that move didn’t make much sense to me considering what they had at FO and what was coming in and got told he was going to make a big impact...didn’t happen. Of course didn’t hurt Duke, Naso was great, but yeah not great decision for him in hindsight. Or maybe he loved the experience who knows

[Farfromgeneva]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

Don't know which FO in the portal can even make a difference for the Terps. Maybe Tygh with the upside and multiple years of eligibility? But he has been disappointing so far.

Don't sleep on Drew Blanchard from Hobart (https://hwsathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp ... &path=mlax), depending on Holden's experience he could act as a advocate as well. As I've learned more, Holden had little time and his leg issue was very real so I think what you saw last couple of games and in the playoffs (had a very nice goal in the semis, or was that quarters) would've been early in season and more of an impact if he had more time with the team and full health from the jump.

Through 2019 he was behind a kid named Matt Pedicine who set the NCAA record for faceoff wins in a single game and was pretty outstanding but when given the opportunity he excelled. (and we overworked Pedicine worse than Cuse did with Ben Williams, a huge mistake that cost us later in his last two seasons and that record might've been the worst thing to happen to the team)

[Farfromgeneva]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

attackman

Unfortunately Jason Knox could also be it. Throw out this year, his situation was messy but not in a Scanlon/nanticoke sort of way, much less under his control. Look at 19-20. He's legit and was very successful at younger ages in Jr B in Canada. More talented scorer than Justin Scott but not really as much of a box type as you'd expect from the profile.

https://hwsathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp ... &path=mlax

[jrn19]

Scanlan nearly went to UVA too. According to IL, Virginia was at one point the "front-runner" to land him.

Who knows what other players Tiffany went after, only for them to choose a different destination. The Hoos clearly didn't need any more help this year, but I don't think we should assume Tiffany is above the whole fray just because they ultimately only brought in one guy. That doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try to get others. Same story with UNC.

I'm moderately intrigued about why the Donville to Maryland news hasn't officially come out yet. If it's been such a done deal for awhile now, why hasn't someone reported it? Or why hasn't anyone acknowledged it via social media? Not saying the rumor was unfounded, just curious why that one still seems to be lingering.

Guessing Donville may just be waiting for official admission?? Not sure, believe there is at least one more transfer headed to Maryland that is waiting for the final details before going public

Hope he is a FO

attackman

Unfortunately Jason Knox could also be it. Throw out this year, his situation was messy but not in a Scanlon/nanticoke sort of way, much less under his control. Look at 19-20. He's legit and was very successful at younger ages in Jr B in Canada. More talented scorer than Justin Scott but not really as much of a box type as you'd expect from the profile.

https://hwsathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp ... &path=mlax

Could be, but the rumors have connected MD to Murphy or Khan so it's one of those two I'd bet

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is it fair to say if you had 3 starters or more from the transfer portal that would make you a big user? Just curious?

I would say 3 starters makes you a team that works the transfer portal. Duke had 2 starters. Did Denver have 3? TD split time as a starter. I believe ND had 3 at least? 2 starters isn’t heavily using the portal? Last year was an anomaly in my mind….I want to see who are frequent users of the portal over the next few seasons. Part of my needle is that we all tend to exaggerate….Duke took a lot of arrows and it was only 2 starters Sowers and Adler but I could he wrong…..Rutgers and ND are all in this season it seems. BTW, Maryland has been historically a strategic user of the transfer wire. Tillman seems to use it annually to fill holes. Not sure how active they are now. My guess is he is going to stick to his formula.

I think Duke took the arrows because the two were first team and third team AAs.

I also think you have to look beyond just transfer starters. If the transfers are in the regular rotation, they are taking playing time away from some existing players on the roster…….I think Duke had a lot more than just the 2 transfers in their rotation. I guess the positive is that kids are leveraging lacrosse into getting an extra year of Grad school …..That wasn’t true at every program but was for many at Duke, Virginia and UNC, and others

Are SSDM and LSM bench players? If you had to guess, who were the other transfers in Duke’s rotation?

what happened to the fogo from HC that went there? Philip Robertson was expected to do more when he made the move but as a grad student from an Ivy and his brother was there as mitigating circumstances. If those two had done more, and potentially could've, then you'd be looking at four major contributors who weren't organic by any means.

(BTW, wasting an MBA from anywhere without any work experience is not the optimal move IMO).

Offense was a mess there. I am not certain that Phil Robertson did an MBA.

[Farfromgeneva]

Does Fuqua offer other masters programs than MBA houses inside their school? I don’t know and made the assumption given he was listed as at Fuqua.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does Fuqua offer other masters programs than MBA houses inside their school? I don’t know and made the assumption given he was listed as at Fuqua.

Ok. I thought he was a 1 year management studies grad student.

[44WeWantMore]

Back when I was there (and it has been a while), there was an MS in Management, but IIRC, it was solely an off-ramp for Ph. D. candidates rather than an intended destination. Perhaps a driven student could get there in a year, but it was generally more like three, when the student and faculty agree the dissertation is going nowhere and patience is running out on at least one side. There were also joint programs with Public Health and Forestry, but (again) IIRC, it would only be one year if you already had fulfilled (say) the MPH requirements.

There were various non-daytime programs, some of which could offer a degree, but, even with credit for experience, they generally took longer than the daytime programs, and I was unaware if any non-daytime students would have been eligible for varsity sports.

Edit: Ten seconds of searching beats my memory: There is a 10 month program: https://www.fuqua.duke.edu/programs/mms