SCOTUS

[jhu72]

Senator Grassley just announced that if Dr. Ford doesn't agree tonight to show up Monday, Grassley will hold the vote Monday.

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/stat ... wsrc%5Etfw

Ford's lawyer responded in a fashion that left the issue totally in the court of Grassley and the 11 dwarfs. No indication Ford will be there next Monday or Wedsneday or Thursday. Lawyer said they are still willing to discuss the appearance but Ford was not going to give in to Grassley's take it or leave it ultimatum. Grassley and the 11 dwarfs, most of them don't understand they are not in the drivers seat on this, neither is president "grab me some wimp". They can't make this issue go away by declaration, regardless of whether or not the Judiciary Committee votes and passes on Kavanaugh; or even if all 51 R Senator's vote for his nomination, which appears less likely. This ends when the women say it ends - this is about more than Kavanaugh in their minds, which the 11 dwarfs don't understand.

Grassley recognizes he is in trouble on this one; it isn't going to get any better for Kavanaugh, he is losing the PR war; the best chance of getting him through is by making it happen quick, if it goes on longer, he won't get through. Also the longer it goes on, and Kavanaugh goes down, the less chance there is to get a backup nomination through before the beginning of the year.

[jhu72]

I vehemently disagree with the NYT story. There was a major error in it. I was in fact the “Secretary of the Keg City Club,” not Brett Kavanaugh.



But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

Should we be judging people who grew up in a completely different period by today’s standard?

My wife says its all fair game. Given the presidents behavior, I’m sure the #resistance crowd agrees...until it’s their candidate in question in 2020.

I don’t really know the answer. IMO, If this is the new standard, we need to kick out most of the incumbents and we need to rewrite a LOT of history.

For me, this is not an issue of who's candidate he is. The guy is seriously flawed. He has a very loose relationship with the truth and has shown there is no depth he will not stoop for this position. He should not be judge at any level IMO. I would not like him anymore if he were a D or an I. He has too many questions, raised by the first accuser and Kavanaugh's own testimony and actions during the process. I haven't really formed an opinion about the second accuser or other interesting facts found in the past couple days.

For those who feel he needs to be confirmed then lets do it right and do a real investigation. His FBI background check was just that -- making sure he had no convictions or current indictments. A real lick and a promise. They did not go looking for anything else. If the women are lying, and he can answer concern's about other what sure look like lies then confirm him. If he is lying, then don't confirm him. But I do not accept this nonsense, don't do a full investigation, because we are up against some politically driven timeline. If that is the game to be played, then ties go to the don't confirm side. The rules haven't changed, lying has never been acceptable. Bearing false witness has never been acceptable.

What I am really not buying is if he is not confirmed, his life is ruined.

[thatsmell]

I vehemently disagree with the NYT story. There was a major error in it. I was in fact the “Secretary of the Keg City Club,” not Brett Kavanaugh.



But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

Should we be judging people who grew up in a completely different period by today’s standard?

My wife says its all fair game. Given the presidents behavior, I’m sure the #resistance crowd agrees...until it’s their candidate in question in 2020.

I don’t really know the answer. IMO, If this is the new standard, we need to kick out most of the incumbents and we need to rewrite a LOT of history.

For me, this is not an issue of who's candidate he is. The guy is seriously flawed. He has a very loose relationship with the truth and has shown there is no depth he will not stoop for this position. He should not be judge at any level IMO. I would not like him anymore if he were a D or an I. He has too many questions, raised by the first accuser and Kavanaugh's own testimony and actions during the process. I haven't really formed an opinion about the second accuser or other interesting facts found in the past couple days.

For those who feel he needs to be confirmed then lets do it right and do a real investigation. His FBI background check was just that -- making sure he had no convictions or current indictments. A real lick and a promise. They did not go looking for anything else. If the women are lying, and he can answer concern's about other what sure look like lies then confirm him. If he is lying, then don't confirm him. But I do not accept this nonsense, don't do a full investigation, because we are up against some politically driven timeline. If that is the game to be played, then ties go to the don't confirm side. The rules haven't changed, lying has never been acceptable. Bearing false witness has never been acceptable.

What I am really not buying is if he is not confirmed, his life is ruined.

I agree 100% on all points you made. If the republicans want him in so bad, and he is not a flawed candidate, an investigation will find Some definitive proof about this guys real character and how he rules from the bench. Additionally the guy’s life isn’t ruined. He’s still a federal judge.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I vehemently disagree with the NYT story. There was a major error in it. I was in fact the “Secretary of the Keg City Club,” not Brett Kavanaugh.



But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

Should we be judging people who grew up in a completely different period by today’s standard?

My wife says its all fair game. Given the presidents behavior, I’m sure the #resistance crowd agrees...until it’s their candidate in question in 2020.

I don’t really know the answer. IMO, If this is the new standard, we need to kick out most of the incumbents and we need to rewrite a LOT of history.

For me, this is not an issue of who's candidate he is. The guy is seriously flawed. He has a very loose relationship with the truth and has shown there is no depth he will not stoop for this position. He should not be judge at any level IMO. I would not like him anymore if he were a D or an I. He has too many questions, raised by the first accuser and Kavanaugh's own testimony and actions during the process. I haven't really formed an opinion about the second accuser or other interesting facts found in the past couple days.

For those who feel he needs to be confirmed then lets do it right and do a real investigation. His FBI background check was just that -- making sure he had no convictions or current indictments. A real lick and a promise. They did not go looking for anything else. If the women are lying, and he can answer concern's about other what sure look like lies then confirm him. If he is lying, then don't confirm him. But I do not accept this nonsense, don't do a full investigation, because we are up against some politically driven timeline. If that is the game to be played, then ties go to the don't confirm side. The rules haven't changed, lying has never been acceptable. Bearing false witness has never been acceptable.

What I am really not buying is if he is not confirmed, his life is ruined.

I agree 100% on all points you made. If the republicans want him in so bad, and he is not a flawed candidate, an investigation will find Some definitive proof about this guys real character and how he rules from the bench. Additionally the guy’s life isn’t ruined. He’s still a federal judge.

Life ruined? Takes a ride through West Virginia or Eastern Kentucky....

[Bandito]

I vehemently disagree with the NYT story. There was a major error in it. I was in fact the “Secretary of the Keg City Club,” not Brett Kavanaugh.



But seriously, A new standard has been set. Whoever becomes the next scotus nominee/(insert public office here) is now subject to a complete media colonoscopy and even subject to guesses about inside jokes made 35 years ago. I’m much younger than Kavanaugh and I’m not sure I can recall much of those h/s jokes. Even the good ones.

A serious question- How far back do we now get to go to determine what behaviors are disqualifying for our public officials?

Should we be judging people who grew up in a completely different period by today’s standard?

My wife says its all fair game. Given the presidents behavior, I’m sure the #resistance crowd agrees...until it’s their candidate in question in 2020.

I don’t really know the answer. IMO, If this is the new standard, we need to kick out most of the incumbents and we need to rewrite a LOT of history.

For me, this is not an issue of who's candidate he is. The guy is seriously flawed. He has a very loose relationship with the truth and has shown there is no depth he will not stoop for this position. He should not be judge at any level IMO. I would not like him anymore if he were a D or an I. He has too many questions, raised by the first accuser and Kavanaugh's own testimony and actions during the process. I haven't really formed an opinion about the second accuser or other interesting facts found in the past couple days.

For those who feel he needs to be confirmed then lets do it right and do a real investigation. His FBI background check was just that -- making sure he had no convictions or current indictments. A real lick and a promise. They did not go looking for anything else. If the women are lying, and he can answer concern's about other what sure look like lies then confirm him. If he is lying, then don't confirm him. But I do not accept this nonsense, don't do a full investigation, because we are up against some politically driven timeline. If that is the game to be played, then ties go to the don't confirm side. The rules haven't changed, lying has never been acceptable. Bearing false witness has never been acceptable.

What I am really not buying is if he is not confirmed, his life is ruined.

I agree 100% on all points you made. If the republicans want him in so bad, and he is not a flawed candidate, an investigation will find Some definitive proof about this guys real character and how he rules from the bench. Additionally the guy’s life isn’t ruined. He’s still a federal judge.

Why? So now you can just make up lies about someone and they are automatically assumed guilty? If this is how this game is played, a fan sexually assaulted me years ago when we met in Denver. I am ready to press charges.

Democrats are evil people who can't stand they are losing in all facets of politics so they need to make up lies. Avanetti is y'alls hero? LOL!!!!

And this isn't directed towards you thatsmell. Just your statement doesn't make sense.

[DMac]

Classy. Sticks and stones and all that, just curious though, the "racist tool" is based on what, or is it that your just seeking attention? Just being an jerk, maybe?

[Bandito]

Classy. Sticks and stones and all that, just curious though, the "racist tool" is based on what, or is it that your just seeking attention? Just being an jerk, maybe?

He is a Democrat. The Democrats are the party that was founded on racism and their policies continue to cause minorities to fail. All in promising them handouts and the world for votes. It is the plantation mentality. You need to brush up on your history.

BTW Trump's policies have led to historic low black and hispanic unemployment. Trump's policies are great for all Americans regardless of race, color, sex or creed.
Democrats also favor illegal immigration which will hurt blacks tenfold.

[DMac]

Classy. Sticks and stones and all that, just curious though, the "racist tool" is based on what, or is it that your just seeking attention? Just being an jerk, maybe?

He is a Democrat. The Democrats are the party that was founded on racism and their policies continue to cause minorities to fail. All in promising them handouts and the world for votes. It is the plantation mentality. You need to brush up on your history.

BTW Trump's policies have led to historic low black and hispanic unemployment. Trump's policies are great for all Americans regardless of race, color, sex or creed.
Democrats also favor illegal immigration which will hurt blacks tenfold.

I don't need to brush up on jack turd, Keyboard Tough Guy (you'd say all that same stuff to dis eyeball to eyeball?), I already know it's not too bright to lump everyone in a party, organization, sport, school, etc as all being the same. All lacrosse players are druggie sexual assaulters and all wlaxers are lezzies....your way of labeling.

[Bandito]

Classy. Sticks and stones and all that, just curious though, the "racist tool" is based on what, or is it that your just seeking attention? Just being an jerk, maybe?

He is a Democrat. The Democrats are the party that was founded on racism and their policies continue to cause minorities to fail. All in promising them handouts and the world for votes. It is the plantation mentality. You need to brush up on your history.

BTW Trump's policies have led to historic low black and hispanic unemployment. Trump's policies are great for all Americans regardless of race, color, sex or creed.
Democrats also favor illegal immigration which will hurt blacks tenfold.

I don't need to brush up on jack turd, Keyboard Tough Guy (you'd say all that same stuff to dis eyeball to eyeball?), I already know it's not too bright to lump everyone in a party, organization, sport, school, etc as all being the same. All lacrosse players are druggie sexual assaulters and all wlaxers are lezzies....your way of labeling.

Again. Point made. You can't refute what I said. I never said anything about lacrosse on this thread. Why so emotional?

[wahoomurf]

bandito youve got a decent point with the ellison story- but your delivery made it such that everyone ignored/discounted it.

Yup, Frito is casting stones. Obviously he and his ilk are without sin in his own eyes, but no need to reply directly.

That being said let's investigate, I'm all for it. Even Democrats are suggesting it should be investigated, countering Frito's comments.

You've had Democrats and Republicans step down after accusations, especially during the height of the MeToo movement (and some who haven't, like Roy Moore). It would be interesting to see who has been accused vs who has stepped down and break it down via party line, number of accusations and more to see if there is any correlation.

There is also the slim fraction of accusations that are false, further hurting actual victims and the accused alike. Just as with the Kavanaugh case, we should try to get as much information as possible before bringing out the pitchforks.

There is concrete evidence against Ellison. Video proof, 911 calls etc and the media is DEAD SILENT. There is no proof at all against Kav. Yet the media is going bonkers over it. No witnesses corroborate Ford's story at all. It is straight out of the Democrat Playbook to delay the hearings because they fear for their own existence as a party. Let alone these allegations come from when he was in HS. Again, this is a complete and utter character assassination by the left and the media and we have seen this time and again. The timing tells anyone this and now the porn lawyer is getting involved. How ironic. A man who promotes the porn industry which is essentially sex slavery in some instances is claiming to stand up for women!

Democrats say every woman has a right to be believed:
Unless you are raped by Bill Clinton
Groped by Cory Booker
Beat up by Keith Ellison
Creeped on and felt up by Joe Biden
or
Killed by Ted Kennedy

Republicans and Democrats SAY a lot.IMO too much. So you were present when you heard all those Democrats SAY that EVERY woman has a right to be believed?

I watched film clips of the head of the Republican Party proudly state he was a wimp prober par excellence. I aver that I wasn't physically present on the bus to hear Trump SAY what he said. I'm amazed that your heard Booker, Clinton, Keith Ellison, Kennedy and Joe Biden SAY/DO the things you accuse them of. For you to have heard those chaps SAY what you allege you heard them SAY, you must really get around.

If you have a chance,please share what you heard Trump SAY to Rosenstein.I'm sure you heard every word they SAID.

[Bandito]

bandito youve got a decent point with the ellison story- but your delivery made it such that everyone ignored/discounted it.

Yup, Frito is casting stones. Obviously he and his ilk are without sin in his own eyes, but no need to reply directly.

That being said let's investigate, I'm all for it. Even Democrats are suggesting it should be investigated, countering Frito's comments.

You've had Democrats and Republicans step down after accusations, especially during the height of the MeToo movement (and some who haven't, like Roy Moore). It would be interesting to see who has been accused vs who has stepped down and break it down via party line, number of accusations and more to see if there is any correlation.

There is also the slim fraction of accusations that are false, further hurting actual victims and the accused alike. Just as with the Kavanaugh case, we should try to get as much information as possible before bringing out the pitchforks.

There is concrete evidence against Ellison. Video proof, 911 calls etc and the media is DEAD SILENT. There is no proof at all against Kav. Yet the media is going bonkers over it. No witnesses corroborate Ford's story at all. It is straight out of the Democrat Playbook to delay the hearings because they fear for their own existence as a party. Let alone these allegations come from when he was in HS. Again, this is a complete and utter character assassination by the left and the media and we have seen this time and again. The timing tells anyone this and now the porn lawyer is getting involved. How ironic. A man who promotes the porn industry which is essentially sex slavery in some instances is claiming to stand up for women!

Democrats say every woman has a right to be believed:
Unless you are raped by Bill Clinton
Groped by Cory Booker
Beat up by Keith Ellison
Creeped on and felt up by Joe Biden
or
Killed by Ted Kennedy

Republicans and Democrats SAY a lot.IMO too much. So you were present when you heard all those Democrats SAY that EVERY woman has a right to be believed?

I watched film clips of the head of the Republican Party proudly state he was a wimp prober par excellence. I aver that I wasn't physically present on the bus to hear Trump SAY what he said. I'm amazed that your heard Booker, Clinton, Keith Ellison, Kennedy and Joe Biden SAY/DO the things you accuse them of. For you to have heard those chaps SAY what you allege you heard them SAY, you must really get around.

If you have a chance,please share what you heard Trump SAY to Rosenstein.I'm sure you heard every word they SAID.

Why do I have to be there when facts are present and support my claims?

Truly grasping for straws here. Nothing like standing up for Democrat sexual assaulters. How pathetic

[Bandito]

The first question to ask is did Ford and Kavanaugh even know each other.
Second is did they ever attend a party together.

I haven't heard or read the answer to either of these questions.

But if the FBI has already done six (6) background checks on Kavanaugh, why didn't they turn any of this up already? I understand the 17 year old limit, that they only go back to age 18, but if he was a stumbling drunk in college wouldn't that have shown up on one of the checks already done?

No. 1 is completely irrelevant. You see why, correct?

No. 2: Put yourself in a 15-year old girls body. (No, not just dress up like one...IMAGINE it). "Drunk" or not, do you sincerely believe that you wouldn't remember a boy pushing you down on a bed, lying on top of you, and putting his hand over your mouth when you protested? How quickly would you sober up in that case? A 15-year old girl is going to pass the fork out before she gets "stumbling drunk" enough to forget such an event.

Now we're throwing shade on the initial FBI investigation, also? Deep State trying to help Trumpty's nominee?

What's most telling is that apparently the first thought here is "this woman is lying" as opposed to "why wouldn't he just own up to youthful indiscretion, apologize and move on"?

..

Put yourself in Kavanaugh's shoes. He is horrified that his life will be ruined by these false allegations. He is the true victim here. Not this drunk Dr. Ford or the other women the Democrats have tried to pimp out and fool the American people. None of those women remember any of the details of the alleged (fake) assault. Most people who have been assaulted remember the smell of the attacker, the color of the walls, color of the bed sheets, color of the attacker's clothing. Add on top of it this is all coming out 35 years later proved it is a political hit job by the left. They have done it numerous times before. Allegations are baseless without facts. There are no facts concerning these allegations. The Democrats are horrible people who will do anything, including trying to lie about sexual abuse to get their way. heck the Democrat Party. They are the enemy of the people.

[jhu72]

Hoodat -- THE SENATE HEARING IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. If it was the 11 dwarfs couldn't get away with the turd they have tried to pull. Innocent until proven guilty only applies in a court room. You should know that. Men have been using that BS for years to get away with this turd against women. It's a great set up. Assault a women where no one is able to witness and then pull the old "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense, out of context. No one is being found guilty here. No one is being fined or sanctioned. Given the evidence I am aware of, neither Kavanaugh nor Ford could win a criminal case against the other. So who do you believe is the metric by which all will be judged.

The age of this BS is coming to an end, and good riddance.

Tech -- Ellison's case is significantly less important to the nation than Kavanaugh's. Ellison will be heard and so will his accusers. He will pay the price his constituents decide is appropriate. At least one democratic lawmaker is giving him a "ton of turd" for his behavior. I suspect more will as time goes on. No one however is going to be deflected by a game of "what about?".

[tech37]

Hoodat -- THE SENATE HEARING IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. If it was the 11 dwarfs couldn't get away with the turd they have tried to pull. Guilty until proven innocent only applies in a court room. You should know that. Men have been using that BS for years to get away with this turd against women. It's a great set up. Assault a women where no one is able to witness and then pull the old "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense, out of context. No one is being found guilty here. No one is being fined or sanctioned. Given the evidence I am aware of, neither Kavanaugh nor Ford could win a criminal case against the other. So who do you believe is the metric by which all will be judged.

The age of this BS is coming to an end, and good riddance.

Tech -- Ellison's case is significantly less important to the nation than Kavanaugh's. Ellison will be heard and so will his accusers. He will pay the price his constituents decide is appropriate. At least one democratic lawmaker is giving him a "ton of turd" for his behavior. I suspect more will as time goes on.

Thanks 72... who is the Dem lawmaker you're referring to?

[jhu72]

Just saw Bill Crystal, republican publisher, say he thinks the problem is the Senate timeline. He sees no reason why the timeline needs to be the case. This all needs to be investigated he claims. He is not a Trumpnista though. Can he still claim to be a Republican??

Bill Clinton is probably glued to his TV, smoking a cigar, remembering fondly Kavanaugh's treatment of him -- but of course, that was different.

The wimp grabber in chief I think is enjoying this. No Mueller in the news and chaos and mud is his preferred environment. Regardless of outcome, this is going to further turn up the heat on men with these type's of MOs. - including Orange Duce.

More bad news for Kavanaugh some of his former female clerks are now claiming that he expected them to dress like models. It had been noted earlier (weeks ago) that his female clerks all had a "certain look". No one was talking. Now they feel more free. I'm guessing less attractive, competent girls need not apply. Feel pretty certain this will be confirmed.

Gotta love the outrage of Kavanaugh's lawyer. Claims Avenatti is doing a disservice to his client. He is required to go to the police and file charges if he believes this is true - so she claims She should be careful what she wishes for. There is still the unknown story of what went on earlier in the week with the Montgomery County Police. According to them, there is no such requirement - their press release from earlier in the week says so.

[Bandito]

This story is soooo over the top it ruined it for the Dems. No way he doesn't get confirmed now. Wow. My question is, how can anyone be a Democrat? What pathetic heck.

[Typical Lax Dad]

This story is soooo over the top it ruined it for the Dems. No way he doesn't get confirmed now. Wow. My question is, how can anyone be a Democrat? What pathetic heck.

You tell em Manuel!

[Bandito]

This story is soooo over the top it ruined it for the Dems. No way he doesn't get confirmed now. Wow. My question is, how can anyone be a Democrat? What pathetic heck.

You tell em Manuel!

Hey look honey, it is a douche bag Democrat!!! What a loser you are. The party of racism and pimping out women for political gain takes a big left hook and misses once again. Go home you sick heck

[seacoaster]

[quote="Lax Fidelis"]This question is addressed to those who have been closely following the nomination process. An article that I read earlier today stated that Mitch McConnell told Trump to not nominate Kavanaugh. Anyone know why Mitch recommended that?


LaxFi, I had understood that McConnell believed that there was potential trouble arising from the years with the Starr Chamber and the Bush II White House, that Kavanaugh had a significant record in politics that, combed through, would both require too much time (and the concomitant pushback by Democrats of not getting enough time) and might be sticky. Mitch is a complete hypocritical piece of turd, but he's smart.

[Typical Lax Dad]

This story is soooo over the top it ruined it for the Dems. No way he doesn't get confirmed now. Wow. My question is, how can anyone be a Democrat? What pathetic heck.

You tell em Manuel!

Hey look honey, it is a douche bag Democrat!!! What a loser you are. The party of racism and pimping out women for political gain takes a big left hook and misses once again. Go home you sick heck

Manuel es muy pendejo