Hobart 2025

[FMUBart]

If it is indeed "motivation", then Hobart is recruiting the wrong student/athlete. As John Wooden said: "show me a good coach and I'll show you good players". If you need a coach to motivate you to play at this level, then you aren't at the level to begin with.

[Laxbro19]

If it is indeed "motivation", then Hobart is recruiting the wrong student/athlete. As John Wooden said: "show me a good coach and I'll show you good players". If you need a coach to motivate you to play at this level, then you aren't at the level to begin with.

Motivation comes from a combination of respect and admiration. But you are correct that part of that is on the athlete. It’s not an attribute that happens regardless of the environment. And it’s a shame you take away any accountability from the coaches entirely.

[Brownlax]

If it is indeed "motivation", then Hobart is recruiting the wrong student/athlete. As John Wooden said: "show me a good coach and I'll show you good players". If you need a coach to motivate you to play at this level, then you aren't at the level to begin with.

Motivation comes from a combination of respect and admiration. But you are correct that part of that is on the athlete. It’s not an attribute that happens regardless of the environment. And it’s a shame you take away any accountability from the coaches entirely.

There is a really good video of Gino Auriemna (UCONN Women's Basketball Coach), where he says, if you are recruited to UCONN you are expected to be motivated to compete. That is not something they teach - it is something they expect.

[FMUBart]

If it is indeed "motivation", then Hobart is recruiting the wrong student/athlete. As John Wooden said: "show me a good coach and I'll show you good players". If you need a coach to motivate you to play at this level, then you aren't at the level to begin with.

Motivation comes from a combination of respect and admiration. But you are correct that part of that is on the athlete. It’s not an attribute that happens regardless of the environment. And it’s a shame you take away any accountability from the coaches entirely.

There is a really good video of Gino Auriemna (UCONN Women's Basketball Coach), where he says, if you are recruited to UCONN you are expected to be motivated to compete. That is not something they teach - it is something they expect.

+1 Not even sure it can be taught, frankly..

[brodad]

I think motivation is both internal and external. I'd guess most great leaders have also been great motivators.

[Bart]

If it is indeed "motivation", then Hobart is recruiting the wrong student/athlete. As John Wooden said: "show me a good coach and I'll show you good players". If you need a coach to motivate you to play at this level, then you aren't at the level to begin with.

IDK if I agree 100% with this. I believe the coach has something to do with it. There were a whole bunch of motivated athletes in my era but some of that motivation was due to the coach. Perhaps not what he said but the fact you did not want to let the man down. It was an atmosphere that was created by the top. Perhaps this coach has this ability, perhaps not, I am not there at practice every day. As odd as this is going to sound, I can not point to one specific thing the coaches did to create this it just was.

[Laxbro19]

You always want good raw material. You want self driven players with talent. Anyone who knows coach raymond knows that you won’t survive if you aren’t motivated to work. He will break you. Maybe a better phrase is inspirational leadership. We were not inspired to finish. Now maybe you will once again try and put that on the players. But can tell from experience that the commitment was there from most of the team. Not all.

[FL-GO]

http://hwsathletics.com/podcast.aspx

[FMUBart]

I don't recall DJU ever giving us a "fire and brimstone" speech. The upperclassmen set the tone--per DJU's guidance--and everyone followed suit. It wasn't for everyone & those that didn't buy-in were quickly ostracized/cut. To wit, practices were often more intense than some games. The results spoke for themselves.. The coaches obviously have some culpability, but our teams never would've surrendered 9 goals in the 4th to lose a game. Coach Raymond often speaks of the strong leadership on this year's team. I'm not close enough to know if this is true or not, but he would be the one to set the bar..
Podcast seemed to be full of excuses--mainly injuries--but Coach did take blame, too.

[Bartfromboston]

I don't recall DJU ever giving us a "fire and brimstone" speech. The upperclassmen set the tone--per DJU's guidance--and everyone followed suit. It wasn't for everyone & those that didn't buy-in were quickly ostracized/cut. To wit, practices were often more intense than some games. The results spoke for themselves.. The coaches obviously have some culpability, but our teams never would've surrendered 9 goals in the 4th to lose a game. Coach Raymond often speaks of the strong leadership on this year's team. I'm not close enough to know if this is true or not, but he would be the one to set the bar..
Podcast seemed to be full of excuses--mainly injuries--but Coach did take blame, too.

I love these comments. Team leaders need to step up and lead. Players know when changes need to be made and should tell coaches. And if coaches hear the seniors and captains lobbying for change then great coaches listen and make the changes.

I have no idea whether the team leaders did step up and tell coaches what changes to make OR if they did and coaches didn’t listen. So my hope is that if players didn’t, they DO. And if they did but coaches didn’t Listen then THEY DO.

I haven’t heard thru the podcasts a coach willing to listen or change. However he did briefly say he is self reflecting on what he could have done differently. All we can do is hope he means it because we have a lot we can do differently.

[oldbartman]

We can hope that we don't lose players to the TP. Though that is probably wishful thinking on my part. I'm pretty sure that every player on the roster had other offers before choosing Hobart. It's one thing to transfer after your freshman year, after that, a player has to worry about credits transferring, continuing with their chosen major at a new school, and not the least of all, $$$. The few freshmen that saw the field this season are all at risk for Bart imo.

[Farfromgeneva]

Never said transfer. Tough life playing at Hobart and it’s only for a certain type of player.

He ran Matt Opshal off his first year in town too. Nothing is evolving or changing over time with results. No iterative process.

Shame if Greene is out but he’s been jerked around since day one on PT. Better to just sit than in and out. That’s the worst because it’s never a consistent message.

[Farfromgeneva]

^ could not agree more. it is not for everyone. back in my day there were plenty of guys who didn't stick around long enough to get as many rings as me

Which is terrific but literally talking about starting college 50 years ago now…no need to do that here on the Hobart thread where folks know the history but also generally understand time and changes in the landscape too.

[Farfromgeneva]

50+ guys on a team, and each will have their own experience. I am interested in your experience too, Laxbro19, but am also aware that every team has its internal conflicts. Throw in conflicts with parents, fans, and administration, and it is a pretty complicated job. Can't please everyone. Even with winning record.
Greene may not be returning, but that may be unrelated to the team experience or his experience of Raymond. As far as I know, Kinslow's departure had nothing to do with lacrosse (he did matriculate, but I'm told he is not at Hobart anymore).
For the record, I don't think the dominos are going to start falling. I'd be really sorry to see Brundage go, but if he did I think we'd figure it out.If he can get the Marquette interview, he'd be a fool not to take it. That's just the world of coaching.
Next year is full of promise. The seniors of 2024 were a tight group and really seemed to be great people. But there is no denying that the team lacked the spark it needed to succeed. Next year is a new start. Let's see what the next class can do.
Is the team playing Germany this summer? Where are they going?

How confident are you with Raymond, Fisher and whoever Raymond chooses as next AC? Haven’t we all basically put most our chips on the dies that Brundage can keep the ship running in spite of Raymond. (Despite a distant decline in offensive production for four years)

[Farfromgeneva]

50+ guys on a team, and each will have their own experience. I am interested in your experience too, Laxbro19, but am also aware that every team has its internal conflicts. Throw in conflicts with parents, fans, and administration, and it is a pretty complicated job. Can't please everyone. Even with winning record.
Greene may not be returning, but that may be unrelated to the team experience or his experience of Raymond. As far as I know, Kinslow's departure had nothing to do with lacrosse (he did matriculate, but I'm told he is not at Hobart anymore).
For the record, I don't think the dominos are going to start falling. I'd be really sorry to see Brundage go, but if he did I think we'd figure it out.If he can get the Marquette interview, he'd be a fool not to take it. That's just the world of coaching.
Next year is full of promise. The seniors of 2024 were a tight group and really seemed to be great people. But there is no denying that the team lacked the spark it needed to succeed. Next year is a new start. Let's see what the next class can do.
Is the team playing Germany this summer? Where are they going?

Very mature and Hobart focused commentary which I deeply appreciate. I’m going to be blunt. We have very competent leadership that don’t understand how to motivate players. That is our issue. And that is not going to change unless people look themselves in the mirror. And that is why we are not reaching our goals. It’s not talent or size or skill. It’s motivation. And that is one players perspective but I am far from alone. We can win the A10 with the team we have.

I agree everyone has their own experience but hearing from a few recent grads myself I understand and have tried to make the point where some get it and others push back with anachronistic faux tough guy stuff that died with a guy named Craig Cheplik long ago. Managing personalities and 18-22yr olds as if one approach to a monolithic cohort is insane or small minded.

One interesting aspect is to hear from guys who used an extra year elsewhere. There was Holtby & Trujillo maybe more from last season. Both started at times. Can skip Knox but Blanchard, Holden & Scott. Scotts perspective would be interesting going from us to DeLuca.

[Laxgunea]

50+ guys on a team, and each will have their own experience. I am interested in your experience too, Laxbro19, but am also aware that every team has its internal conflicts. Throw in conflicts with parents, fans, and administration, and it is a pretty complicated job. Can't please everyone. Even with winning record.
Greene may not be returning, but that may be unrelated to the team experience or his experience of Raymond. As far as I know, Kinslow's departure had nothing to do with lacrosse (he did matriculate, but I'm told he is not at Hobart anymore).
For the record, I don't think the dominos are going to start falling. I'd be really sorry to see Brundage go, but if he did I think we'd figure it out.If he can get the Marquette interview, he'd be a fool not to take it. That's just the world of coaching.
Next year is full of promise. The seniors of 2024 were a tight group and really seemed to be great people. But there is no denying that the team lacked the spark it needed to succeed. Next year is a new start. Let's see what the next class can do.
Is the team playing Germany this summer? Where are they going?

Very mature and Hobart focused commentary which I deeply appreciate. I’m going to be blunt. We have very competent leadership that don’t understand how to motivate players. That is our issue. And that is not going to change unless people look themselves in the mirror. And that is why we are not reaching our goals. It’s not talent or size or skill. It’s motivation. And that is one players perspective but I am far from alone. We can win the A10 with the team we have.

I agree everyone has their own experience but hearing from a few recent grads myself I understand and have tried to make the point where some get it and others push back with anachronistic faux tough guy stuff that died with a guy named Craig Cheplik long ago. Managing personalities and 18-22yr olds as if one approach to a monolithic cohort is insane or small minded.

One interesting aspect is to hear from guys who used an extra year elsewhere. There was Holtby & Trujillo maybe more from last season. Both started at times. Can skip Knox but Blanchard, Holden & Scott. Scotts perspective would be interesting going from us to DeLuca.

I'd agree, especially since Blanchard, Holden, and Scott seemed to be happy while here. Madonna would be another to talk to. I am concerned by what Laxbro19 writes. The three quarter games have motivation written all over them. I've got to agree with those who say motivation is part player, part coaches ... If we can win the A10 with the players we have, which I believe, that is good news. But how to fix the motivation problem. How to get over the hump?

[Laxgunea]

Also, FWIW, I'm not sure Adam Hardy would want to be back in Geneva or that Raymond wants him back. I couldn't read that relationship from the outside. If we are talking about Hardy and Ashmore, what about Justin Porter, who was here as recently as last year and is a defensive specialist. And speaking of past players who were coaches, whatever happened with Mark Williamson? I wouldn't want to get rid of Brundage, but I always did think Williamson got screwed. I'm sure he's moved on, but he was a lost opportunity for us.

[Farfromgeneva]

Also, FWIW, I'm not sure Adam Hardy would want to be back in Geneva or that Raymond wants him back. I couldn't read that relationship from the outside. If we are talking about Hardy and Ashmore, what about Justin Porter, who was here as recently as last year and is a defensive specialist. And speaking of past players who were coaches, whatever happened with Mark Williamson? I wouldn't want to get rid of Brundage, but I always did think Williamson got screwed. I'm sure he's moved on, but he was a lost opportunity for us.

Scanlon was here a year or two as an assistant as well.

I thought we went away from requiring alums be coach after Kerwick? But if we're going down that path the alum who is my #1 vote is Max Silberlicht. He's been an assistant at Boston U through this incredible attach stretch and head coach of Team Israel who did alright in the world games. Best D1 goalie in Hobart history with all due respect to Freddie P, Murtha, Valente, Prossner, Kirk, Brown, Zonino etc. Just go watch Hobart Syracuse in 2010 and tell me he isn't a leader. Watch him blast the NA/Canadian who had come out of OCC sitting on the crease for a freebie and stop 20 odd shots in the rain.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-lacr ... licht/5432

[Hebrewhammer]

A big concern of mine is the departure of Coach Gray. Have heard great things about what he has accomplished with strength and conditioning at Hobart. If Coach Brundage were to interview elsewhere, good for him, but would be a tough loss. Is there any credibility to the Ashmore rumors? Interested to see what other possible replacements we are considering, Ty Yanko ‘21 is also a name that comes to mind. I’d love to see the pace of the offense slow down some and emphasize individual dodging more. Not to beat the dead horse but size is everything in the modern game. If Snellenberg could gain 10 lbs, and Rosa and Delano each could gain 30+ I think it would be paramount for our success moving forward.