9/11 Remembered

[Bandito]

No I will call everyone out on here who thinks Trump is worse than terrorism and who thinks he isn't doing a good job. Nice job back pedaling.

This is hilarious. No one ever said Trump is worse than terrorists killing Americans. Figure it out before you press that submit button, man.

Joe Scarborough said that Trump has done more damage to the American Dream than terrorists. I am sure those 3,000 people who lost thier lives completely agree with you. Dumbass

[holmes435]

Joe Scarborough said that Trump has done more damage to the American Dream than terrorists. I am sure those 3,000 people who lost thier lives completely agree with you. Dumbass

[runrussellrun]

No I will call everyone out on here who thinks Trump is worse than terrorism and who thinks he isn't doing a good job. Nice job back pedaling.

This is hilarious. No one ever said Trump is worse than terrorists killing Americans. Figure it out before you press that submit button, man.

Holmes, you are being disingenuous. If Joe said this around Thanksgiving, it may get a pass. MAY. But, since he did it on the eve and day of 9/11 anyone can understand what he is implying. Especially since his WashPost op-ed included a headline picture of the destroyed twin towers. Again, you are being disingenuous.

Now, the merits as to what he said. Nowhere in morning "duke lacrosse bad" Joe's op-ed did he spell out specifics. Like so many authors, known or unknown.

We get it, trump's character is awful. Who hasn't belonged to an organization that has elected a baffoon? (just look at your local mayors, councilers, school committee, etc )

The DNC gave us Hillary. Maybe you pretends should focus on THAT instead of ranting about whether trump hit an extra zero in his tweet, because only trump isn't allowed to make mistakes. But John McCain can tell "jokes" , at age 61, like this.
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father " Stay classy pretends.

Now, lets get back to the REAL issue. ANyone go to the 28 pages website? Thought so

[Bandito]

Joe Scarborough said that Trump has done more damage to the American Dream than terrorists. I am sure those 3,000 people who lost thier lives completely agree with you. Dumbass

No. It was pretty clear to me and millions of Americans. You're just stupid

[Bandito]

It is difficult to believe that even the Washington Post published an opinion-editorial by Joe Scarborough that says President Trump is more dangerous to our country than the September 11 terrorists and other foreign "adversaries." Worse, it published it on September 10, one day before the 17th anniversary of the September 11 attack.

Words cannot adequately paraphrase what Crazy Joe actually wrote and the Post published (emphasis added):

Sixteen years of strategic missteps have been followed by the maniacal moves of a man who has savaged America's vital alliances, provided comfort to hostile foreign powers, attacked our intelligence and military communities, and lent a sympathetic ear to neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe[.] ... For those of us still believing that Islamic extremists hate America because of the freedoms we guarantee to all people, the gravest threat Trump poses to our national security is the damage done daily to America's image... The question for voters this fall is whether their country will move beyond this troubled chapter in history or whether they will continue supporting a politician who has done more damage to the dream of America than any foreign adversary ever could.

This is the product of a deranged, delusional political hack.

The article is long on the usual anti-Trump talking points but short on facts to back up such ludicrous charges because such charges are false. There no facts, just the usual leftist anti-Trump drivel.

Does Crazy Joe believe that tax cuts, reduction in regulations, and opening the gas and oil drilling that spurred the economy do more damage to the "dream of our country" than the 9/11 attack? Only a deranged Trump-hater would say tax cuts are more damaging than killing more than 3,000 Americans.

Crazy Joe does not limit the comparison to only the 9/11 terrorists; he says "any foreign adversary." Trump's policies do more damage to our country than the Pearl Harbor attack?

What did the numerous jihadist-inspired attacks during the Obama administration, such as San Bernardino, Boston, beheadings, and Fort Hood, do to the reality and dream of America?

Does the appointment of Justice Gorsuch and the soon to be confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh damage our country more than the September 11 terrorists?

Does recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel damage our country more than the September 11 terrorists?

Does canceling the disastrous Iran deal, where we gave the chief sponsor of Islamist terrorism over 150 billion that threatens to destroy Israel and our country, damage our country more than the September 11 terrorists?

Does renegotiating NAFTA and other deals to strengthen our trade imbalances threaten our country more than the September 11 terrorists?

Do finally standing up to North Korea and starting peace talks with North Korea damage our country more than the September 11 terrorists?

Is making our NATO allies pay their fair share of defense costs "savaging our allies"?

Trump is dealing with hostile foreign powers such as North Korea, China, and Iran that Obama did nothing about, except to give money to Iran.

Trump did not attack our "intelligence and military communities." Trump, and others, has criticized with cause the conduct of the corrupt Obama FBI and DOJ by such as Brennan, Clapper, Ohr, McCabe, Page, and Comey. These corrupt officials damaged the dream and reality of the rule of law and equal justice under the law.

Who are the "neo-Nazi and white supremacists" groups to whom Trump "lent a sympathetic ear"? Crazy Joe and MSNBC support the activities of leftist fascists such as Antifa and any group that attacks Trump and Trump supporters.

Trump's policies benefit the reality and dream of our country. The truth is that the success of Trump's policies damages the dreams of Crazy Joe, who would like to see Trump fail.

One would think the editors of the Post would demand that such outrageous charges against the president of be backed up with facts and concrete examples to support the opinions.

The Post has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that it has no principles for honest reporting. It has proven to a certainty that it is nothing more than the mouthpiece of the D.C. swamp.

We expected such idiocy from Scarborough, but to have one of the major U.S. newspapers publish this shows how low the media have sunk.

President Trump is restoring the image of America as a strong, exceptional country. Scarborough and the Post have the image of delusional Trump-haters who will say and do anything to harm President Trump.

No wonder Trump calls the media the fake news media.

[Trinity]

Who do you think respects us more?

[runrussellrun]

I boycott anything Bozo's, with an E. Includes the darkness of democracy. Pretends could care less about workers rights in his warehouses. Robots can do it. Ever go to a tailgate or celebrate Thanksgiving with a bunch of robots? "but, Jeff gave my campaign a contribution" Just like Elon, he hires slaves to do his work. But, that's ok as long as he gives and gives. Speaking of giving

https://28pages.org/2017/03/29/doj-comp ... -veterans/

[runrussellrun]

Who do you think respects us more?

What are the choices again?

To be clear, I had family living in Australia and France when 9/11 happened. You would think support for the USA was universal 17 years ago. You would be wrong. All of them moved back to the USA.

[holmes435]

If you've been around the old LP forums, you'll notice that many of us, especially in the middle and some on the left, have constantly criticized the fact that politicians and "patriots" ignore the fact that the majority of the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudis.

We're sending them support and weapons and never have acknowledged much in the way of the 9/11 connections as a whole.

As a nation what did we do after 9/11? Strip away many of our rights, go to war in a completely unrelated country based on a fake connection to 9/11 and WMDs which resulted in the killing of more American soldiers than Americans in 9/11 and wounded tens of thousands more. We did un-American things like torture and more.

The terrorists were cold blooded murderers. Politicians have damaged the US and done harm to all Americans in other ways as they consolidate power to make money and remain in power. They are both true facts and exist together.

But instead of discourse on how there may be some truth in what a talking head said we get "hurr durr you're stupid"

[runrussellrun]

If you've been around the old LP forums, you'll notice that many of us, especially in the middle and some on the left, have constantly criticized the fact that politicians and "patriots" ignore the fact that the majority of the 9/11 perpetrators were Saudis.

We're sending them support and weapons and never have acknowledged much in the way of the 9/11 connections as a whole.

As a nation what did we do after 9/11? Strip away many of our rights, go to war in a completely unrelated country based on a fake connection to 9/11 and WMDs which resulted in the killing of more American soldiers than Americans in 9/11 and wounded tens of thousands more. We did un-American things like torture and more.

The terrorists were cold blooded murderers. Politicians have damaged the US and done harm to all Americans in other ways as they consolidate power to make money and remain in power. They are both true facts and exist together.

But instead of discourse on how there may be some truth in what a talking head said we get "hurr durr you're stupid"

Well, stop being stoopid, slightly !

Obama VETOED JASTA.....think about that for a while.

[holmes435]

Obama VETOED JASTA.....think about that for a while.

And plenty of independents and lefties bagged on Obama for the things he screwed up. Even the few lefties on the board were occasionally critical, and more importantly they weren't completely insufferable in their support of him. They didn't resort to middle school name calling, gaslighting, word twisting and completely discounting anything the other posters were saying.

Unfortunately it's hard to find those qualities among most of the remaining Trump supporters.

[runrussellrun]

Holmes, on this specific issue, (JASTA) you are just plain wrong. Even now, no one can critic Obama for this veto. I don't want generalizations, I want viewpoints on JASTA and why he vetoed it. Is only support was from Mitch McConnell.....What the heck.

bandito , when he does produce examples, is rarely debated on those examples. Part of the problem. Focusing on his idiotic, and yes, immature, invictives serves no purpose. But, just because you (collective) think you are any better because of mems, pictures or inserted spurious "news" articles is any less mature, isn't solving anything. We all can do better. Instead we jump to them/us generalizations instead of ever discussing the ISSUE.

Bush's got Saud money. So did Clinton. Maybe, so will Barack. What is the dollar amount of weaponary the house of Saud buys again? Well, thats JOBS for us here in the USA, as Wolf Blitzer said. But, is it?

Patriotic energy is the way to go. A Nuke in every pot. Works for China.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Holmes, on this specific issue, (JASTA) you are just plain wrong. Even now, no one can critic Obama for this veto. I don't want generalizations, I want viewpoints on JASTA and why he vetoed it. Is only support was from Mitch McConnell.....What the heck.

bandito , when he does produce examples, is rarely debated on those examples. Part of the problem. Focusing on his idiotic, and yes, immature, invictives serves no purpose. But, just because you (collective) think you are any better because of mems, pictures or inserted spurious "news" articles is any less mature, isn't solving anything. We all can do better. Instead we jump to them/us generalizations instead of ever discussing the ISSUE.

Bush's got Saud money. So did Clinton. Maybe, so will Barack. What is the dollar amount of weaponary the house of Saud buys again? Well, thats JOBS for us here in the USA, as Wolf Blitzer said. But, is it?

Patriotic energy is the way to go. A Nuke in every pot. Works for China.

But everyone brings the argument back to "good clean coal"...... and petro fuels......in the context of " liberal climate change arguments"........ any forward looking energy policy that promotes jobs and a global dominance in a sector is good for me.......Could be nuclear but it doesn't have to be......

[dislaxxic]

Bush's got Saud money. So did Clinton. Maybe, so will Barack. What is the dollar amount of weaponary [sic] the house of Saud buys again? Well, thats JOBS for us here in the USA, as Wolf Blitzer said. But, is it? Patriotic energy is the way to go. A Nuke in every pot. Works for China.

You always stop your invective there, with some vague comment and nobody can tell if you're serious or not. Nukes? Fine! Let's do it. Isn't the technology improved enough now to allow safer nuke technology? Why NOT supplement it with renewables? Nah, coal is the way, keep oil burning. What voting block/ideology do you think is MORE anathema to getting rid of the fossil fuel model? Nah, lets just complain all day and constantly end on the tired old taats thing...they all suck and NOBODY has any license to complain cause SURPRISE they're all the same.

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[runrussellrun]

Bush's got Saud money. So did Clinton. Maybe, so will Barack. What is the dollar amount of weaponary [sic] the house of Saud buys again? Well, thats JOBS for us here in the USA, as Wolf Blitzer said. But, is it? Patriotic energy is the way to go. A Nuke in every pot. Works for China.

You always stop your invective there, with some vague comment and nobody can tell if you're serious or not. Nukes? Fine! Let's do it. Isn't the technology improved enough now to allow safer nuke technology? Why NOT supplement it with renewables? Nah, coal is the way, keep oil burning. What voting block/ideology do you think is MORE anathema to getting rid of the fossil fuel model? Nah, lets just complain all day and constantly end on the tired old taats thing...they all suck and NOBODY has any license to complain cause SURPRISE they're all the same.

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Well, lets take your anthema that they are NOT all the same. Besides the people who will be making money from renewables, what is the benefit? Not going down the "it's really not clean" path right now, but it's not really clean. Isn't trump espousing that renewables be built HERE in the USA? A win win? Why don't you support using US built renewables? About nukes, being completely serious. ALways have been. Voting blocks: most people like to earn money. And in safe working conditions. You seem to turn a blind eye to the issues above. Do you KNOW why we haven't built any nukes and don't plan on building any in the USA? REALLY know? Safety? Ha. the TAATS clowns want driverless vehicles, don't they? Insanity.

[HooDat]

Bush's got Saud money. So did Clinton. Maybe, so will Barack. What is the dollar amount of weaponary [sic] the house of Saud buys again? Well, thats JOBS for us here in the USA, as Wolf Blitzer said. But, is it? Patriotic energy is the way to go. A Nuke in every pot. Works for China.

You always stop your invective there, with some vague comment and nobody can tell if you're serious or not. Nukes? Fine! Let's do it. Isn't the technology improved enough now to allow safer nuke technology? Why NOT supplement it with renewables? Nah, coal is the way, keep oil burning. What voting block/ideology do you think is MORE anathema to getting rid of the fossil fuel model? Nah, lets just complain all day and constantly end on the tired old taats thing...they all suck and NOBODY has any license to complain cause SURPRISE they're all the same.

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To answer your question - because Nukes are baseload power generators and renewables need cyclable power generation to make them even remotely viable for our power grids. What that really means is that you need gas fired combined cycle turbines to support renewable energy - they can quickly kick on and off to act as a backstop to the intermittent nature of renewable power (quickly meaning anything from instantaneous, to by the hour, to by the day).

Nukes, along with coal, provide baseload power. They are turned on, and stay on for long periods of time. They are not responsive to changes in load (demand) either through the day or as weather changes. Nukes replace coal. Natural gas fired turbines fill in the peaks of power demand for baseload generation vs filling in the valleys of renewable generation.

Nukes have come a long way in terms of safety and the more complete "consumption" of the radioactive waste they create. I have to admit that I remain wary of our current strategy for dealing with the waste (which has remained virtually unchanged in our lifetimes) - bury it in a big hole and hope it goes away.....

[holmes435]

bandito , when he does produce examples, is rarely debated on those examples. Part of the problem. Focusing on his idiotic, and yes, immature, invictives serves no purpose. But, just because you (collective) think you are any better because of mems, pictures or inserted spurious "news" articles is any less mature, isn't solving anything. We all can do better. Instead we jump to them/us generalizations instead of ever discussing the ISSUE.

The problem is that he doesn't produce real examples worthy of discussion. I've asked for plenty of proof, with no response. It's phrases like "Democrats are the party of illegal immigration, prove me wrong" and extraordinary statements without anything to back it up. If you do try to discuss, he twists words around and jumps to the next thing that pops up in his mind to change the issue you're discussing or move the target away from the original. There is no "solving" here or discussion. We start off, the discussion gets dragged down into the mud. If we keep on the high road, he stays in the mud. If we ignore him, that's somehow "censoring".

You'll notice that the threads are wildly off topic. It's a great tactic if you want to feel like you're winning, and he does a good job of deflecting.

[holmes435]

Holmes, on this specific issue, (JASTA) you are just plain wrong. Even now, no one can critic Obama for this veto. I don't want generalizations, I want viewpoints on JASTA and why he vetoed it. Is only support was from Mitch McConnell.....What the heck.

I didn't mention JASTA, I mentioned non-Republicans were critical on Obama in general over a number of issues, which I feel I see much less of from the right and their leaders.

Why did you feel Obama was wrong in vetoing JASTA? There are a number of issues with the bill, and not a day after overriding Obama's veto congress wanted to change the law and agreed with some of Obama's concerns over the bill. That is kind of telling.

Here is an interesting breakdown of a number of the issues with the JASTA bill - https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... nity-jasta

There were a number of other ways to deal with Saudi Arabia than let a few citizens try to sue their government in US court.

[runrussellrun]

Like invading?

[holmes435]

Like invading?

No.