Best Examples Of DI Coaches Who Do More With Less?

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Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
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gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
A few come to mind for me

Nadelen at Towson
Torpey at High Point
Cannella at UMass
Alberici at Army
Toomey at Loyola
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houndace1 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:38 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
A few come to mind for me

Nadelen at Towson
Torpey at High Point
Cannella at UMass
Alberici at Army
Toomey at Loyola
I would add Richmond and BU. Undecided on Army. They get a lot of scholarships that other programs do not have. Dont have the mass appeal like Uva, but I feel like they are positioned above mid-majors.
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coda wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:26 pm
houndace1 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:38 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
A few come to mind for me

Nadelen at Towson
Torpey at High Point
Cannella at UMass
Alberici at Army
Toomey at Loyola
I would add Richmond and BU. Undecided on Army. They get a lot of scholarships that other programs do not have. Dont have the mass appeal like Uva, but I feel like they are positioned above mid-majors.
Breschi at Carolina. Oh wait, that's a textbook example of doing less with more. Never mind.
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Nadelen/Towson in 2016-2017 remains the best recent example of this. It's been pretty tough since then, however.
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Mason Poli has done a good job building up the Quinnipiac program. Gradual improvement up through this year's undefeated start; has now beat Brown two years in a row. Getting some nice institutional support from the U's powers that be.
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HopFan16 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:50 pm Nadelen/Towson in 2016-2017 remains the best recent example of this. It's been pretty tough since then, however.
Well, he did have a good 15’ class, to include ‘Big Cat’.
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Corrado of Villanova. Not a fully funded program, less then stellar facilities yet he gets the recruits, consistently in the top 20 and regularly has wins against a few top 10 teams.
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Toomey has a nice advantage of Van Arsdale at asst HC.

Going to also vote for Alberici at Army. I know what the other poster said about scholarships (which they don’t have but I know what he meant) but along with that comes a lot more that mid majors don’t even come close to. Plus if it were just the scholarship aspect, USNA & USAFA should be better.
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palaxoff wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:22 pm Corrado of Villanova. Not a fully funded program, less then stellar facilities yet he gets the recruits, consistently in the top 20 and regularly has wins against a few top 10 teams.
Absolutely correct; without any doubt, one of the best if not the best to do more with less.

Not fully funded. Mandated small roster. Very strict academic requirements. Yet, defining wins against legacy powerhouse programs like Maryland and Syracuse, and notable programs like Duke, Denver, Penn, Yale, etc.
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palaxoff wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:22 pm Corrado of Villanova. Not a fully funded program, less then stellar facilities yet he gets the recruits, consistently in the top 20 and regularly has wins against a few top 10 teams.
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Dip&Dunk wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:29 pm Toomey has a nice advantage of Van Arsdale at asst HC.

Going to also vote for Alberici at Army. I know what the other poster said about scholarships (which they don’t have but I know what he meant) but along with that comes a lot more that mid majors don’t even come close to. Plus if it were just the scholarship aspect, USNA & USAFA should be better.
You sure MVA is an advantage? I wasn’t well received suggesting maybe there’s another answer for their issues.
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coda wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:26 pm
houndace1 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:38 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
A few come to mind for me

Nadelen at Towson
Torpey at High Point
Cannella at UMass
Alberici at Army
Toomey at Loyola
I would add Richmond and BU. Undecided on Army. They get a lot of scholarships that other programs do not have. Dont have the mass appeal like Uva, but I feel like they are positioned above mid-majors.

Not so sure about BU. They enroll a lot of Long Island kids so have a well establish presence to recruit from.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:54 pm
palaxoff wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:22 pm Corrado of Villanova. Not a fully funded program, less then stellar facilities yet he gets the recruits, consistently in the top 20 and regularly has wins against a few top 10 teams.
This is my sneaky underrated answer

No doubt because of Simon Conor…
Good call with Corrado of Villanova! What a shame they aren't a fully-funded program! They could be much better!
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gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:40 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:54 pm
palaxoff wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:22 pm Corrado of Villanova. Not a fully funded program, less then stellar facilities yet he gets the recruits, consistently in the top 20 and regularly has wins against a few top 10 teams.
This is my sneaky underrated answer

No doubt because of Simon Conor…
Good call with Corrado of Villanova! What a shame they aren't a fully-funded program! They could be much better!
I've heard Villanova does have athletic scholarships. 8 or 9 is the number I've read. I'm not sure how accurate that is. Obviously having the full 12.6 would help. Hobart should be up to 9 scholarships for the '25 class and the full 12.6 for '26. For this season we had only 3. St. Joes Coach Wray said being a fully funded program was the thing that changed the programs fortunes. Does anyone know how many schools aren't fully funded?
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HopFan16 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:50 pm Nadelen/Towson in 2016-2017 remains the best recent example of this. It's been pretty tough since then, however.
19’ they were legit. Lost on a fluky play to MD at home in the playoffs. Since 20’ they have struggled but this years team has shown to be better in areas that beat yourself.
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Late to the thread, but I'm impressed with what Delaware has been doing the past few years.

Villanova and SJU would be my other votes.
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Delaware should be a perennial top 15-20 program every year, same with their women's program. Great location, great stadium, great campus, strong enough academics. I put them in the underachieve category.
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livelovelax wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:16 am Delaware should be a perennial top 15-20 program every year, same with their women's program. Great location, great stadium, great campus, strong enough academics. I put them in the underachieve category.
Ehhh. The question was: "Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win." Compare recruiting classes of Delaware vs UPenn, Gtown, and Duke. On paper, Duke and Penn shouldn't be one goal games. And, they definitely shouldn't have beaten G-town in NCAA's.

If we were basing it off of campus and location, High Point should be considered a perennial power by your metrics. Amazing campus and athletic fields, "strong enough" academics.

I'm curious, what would your top 15 (or top 20) be if it was solely based on location, stadium, campus, and academics?
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mdk01 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:31 pm
coda wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:26 pm
houndace1 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:38 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:46 pm Coaches that get very few, if any, blue-chip recruits but yet are successful and regularly battle talented to much more talented programs to the end. And sometimes even win.
A few come to mind for me

Nadelen at Towson
Torpey at High Point
Cannella at UMass
Alberici at Army
Toomey at Loyola
I would add Richmond and BU. Undecided on Army. They get a lot of scholarships that other programs do not have. Dont have the mass appeal like Uva, but I feel like they are positioned above mid-majors.

Not so sure about BU. They enroll a lot of Long Island kids so have a well establish presence to recruit from.
that is basically every school in the D1. Lots of Long island and Maryland kids being signed. If we take schools that sign Long Island kids off the list, we are left with Denver.
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