this is absolutely insane. Initial reports are that the ship lost "propulsion" Did the ship also lose the ability to drop anchor or steer?
It literally was a direct hit in the ship was on fire prior to hitting the pillar, causing the collapse
very very strange
wonder if we'll ever ever learn anything about the "pilot"?
this is so big it deserves its own thread, but boy or boy will this affect the Amazon company in a huge way
Large cargo ships are governed by inertia. Can't turn or stop very quickly.
inertia applies to every single size ship, and Einstein's theory applies to all accordingly
What' your physics problem doesn't explain the steering and the direction that the big giant cargo ship on fire was headed
sounds reasonable to have cargo ships that are steered via screws alone with no rudder , especially around our nations infrastructure
this is going to make the Philly bridge collapse on 95. Look like child's play this is a major major disaster.
unfortunately, those addicted to their cell phone have already made it a "political" thing
there is $1 billion for railroad security in the most recent bill, but haven't got around to our port of entry overall in that budget for security
fix stupid mandatory two tugboats until your past the Bay Bridge. Then you can go on your own and head down south. especially for rudderless cargo ships.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:58 am
by Seacoaster(1)
The video (which is astounding) shows some kind of operational failure of the ship -- the ship goes completely dark just a minute or so before striking the bridge. Anything more on that yet?
This is 695, right? Does this mean that the Port of Balto is effectively closed until the debris is removed?
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:01 am
by cradleandshoot
No doubt about it... Climate Change is responsible.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:18 am
by Kismet
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:58 am
The video (which is astounding) shows some kind of operational failure of the ship -- the ship goes completely dark just a minute or so before striking the bridge. Anything more on that yet?
This is 695, right? Does this mean that the Port of Balto is effectively closed until the debris is removed?
Yup - looks like it. This is going to be a really big deal....in so many ways - It is the LARGEST port in terms of volume for cars and light trucks.
Not to mention the traffic issues for Baltimore metro. I-695 connects the beltway around Baltimore. Going to take YEAR to rebuild this bridge which folded up like a cheap suit.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:22 am
by runrussellrun
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:01 am
No doubt about it... Climate Change is responsible.
gee....that didn't take long.....making it "political"
Meanwhile, the MV Dali is a single screw/prop, so it does have a rudder.
And, we get it, like a cross wind in flying....when trying to land........the rudder can only steer so much. Same for ANY vessel, regardless of size.
yeah......fatty got VERY upset when our Naval academies STOPPED teaching celestial navigation.....to its sailors. Electronics can DO it all.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:58 am
The video (which is astounding) shows some kind of operational failure of the ship -- the ship goes completely dark just a minute or so before striking the bridge. Anything more on that yet?
This is 695, right? Does this mean that the Port of Balto is effectively closed until the debris is removed?
Yup - looks like it. This is going to be a really big deal....in so many ways - It is the LARGEST port in terms of volume for cars and light trucks.
Not to mention the traffic issues for Baltimore metro. I-695 connects the beltway around Baltimore. Going to take YEAR to rebuild this bridge which folded up like a cheap suit.
MAJOR.....amazon distribution center. Under Armor is located on the north side of the Patapsco too, we believe.
As a life long boater, and navigator........just don't understand this "accident" at all.
fatty "FIX STOOPID" 2 tug boat requiremetn will apply to ALL waterways.......including the Hudson all the way to the shallows north of Albany. You wanna go under a bridge......well, you gotta wait your turn for the tug boats.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:41 am
by njbill
At the news conference, they said the ship lost power. No back up? Fortunately, they radioed an SOS to authorities who were able to shut down the bridge so that (apparently) there was no vehicular traffic on the bridge at the time of the collapse. Unfortunately, though, there was a pothole crew that I guess wasn’t able to get off the bridge. Apparently they are the victims. One of the speakers also said that the bridge serves 35,000 vehicles a day while the two tunnels, combined, handle 140,000 vehicles a day.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:50 am
by runrussellrun
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:41 am
At the news conference, they said the ship lost power. No back up? Fortunately, they radioed an SOS to authorities who were able to shut down the bridge so that (apparently) there was no vehicular traffic on the bridge at the time of the collapse. Unfortunately, though, there was a pothole crew that I guess wasn’t able to get off the bridge. Apparently they are the victims. One of the speakers also said that the bridge serves 35,000 vehicles a day while the two tunnels, combined, handle 140,000 vehicles a day.
It's a diesel engine.......once started, how could they "loose power" ? Also, diesel engines have a great record. Any history of the diesel engines in maritime history......just "failing" ? Sure it happens.
Any mention of who the local pilot crew was ,and who they worked for ?
Mean.....it was a picture perfect direct hit on the support.
Maybe the steering got locked up, because it was tied to the electronics ......geesbus F ing .....ah.....fix stoopid.
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:41 am
At the news conference, they said the ship lost power. No back up? Fortunately, they radioed an SOS to authorities who were able to shut down the bridge so that (apparently) there was no vehicular traffic on the bridge at the time of the collapse. Unfortunately, though, there was a pothole crew that I guess wasn’t able to get off the bridge. Apparently they are the victims. One of the speakers also said that the bridge serves 35,000 vehicles a day while the two tunnels, combined, handle 140,000 vehicles a day.
It's a diesel engine.......once started, how could they "loose power" ? Also, diesel engines have a great record. Any history of the diesel engines in maritime history......just "failing" ? Sure it happens.
Any mention of who the local pilot crew was ,and who they worked for ?
Mean.....it was a picture perfect direct hit on the support.
Maybe the steering got locked up, because it was tied to the electronics ......geesbus F ing .....ah.....fix stoopid.
Who runs this country ?
There is a video that shows the entire power system go down 2x and large billow of smoke, you also see lights toggle on and off.
I’d be rather concerned if the ship has some remote control capabilities, where a remote EPO switch could have been thrown. Working in the industry this is not an uncommon event to have power cycles, ….just horrible timing.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
by a fan
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:23 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
Wasn’t it an oriental ship?
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:48 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
wow, you don't say dozens and dozens, huh
it's certain people just kind of "seek out hate"
and we're not surprised that in a country of 350 million people they wanna talk about a bus load of weirdos spewing their nonsense
Fox News hilarious I thought you people didn't pay attention to Fox News
suck knows that suck. Doesn't pay attention to Fox News.
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:41 am
At the news conference, they said the ship lost power. No back up? Fortunately, they radioed an SOS to authorities who were able to shut down the bridge so that (apparently) there was no vehicular traffic on the bridge at the time of the collapse. Unfortunately, though, there was a pothole crew that I guess wasn’t able to get off the bridge. Apparently they are the victims. One of the speakers also said that the bridge serves 35,000 vehicles a day while the two tunnels, combined, handle 140,000 vehicles a day.
It's a diesel engine.......once started, how could they "loose power" ? Also, diesel engines have a great record. Any history of the diesel engines in maritime history......just "failing" ? Sure it happens.
Any mention of who the local pilot crew was ,and who they worked for ?
Mean.....it was a picture perfect direct hit on the support.
Maybe the steering got locked up, because it was tied to the electronics ......geesbus F ing .....ah.....fix stoopid.
Who runs this country ?
There is a video that shows the entire power system go down 2x and large billow of smoke, you also see lights toggle on and off.
I’d be rather concerned if the ship has some remote control capabilities, where a remote EPO switch could have been thrown. Working in the industry this is not an uncommon event to have power cycles, ….just horrible timing.
As I noted earlier....Loosing power and having the ATS switching gear can cause major failure when the GenSet also goes down.
Great video explaining how the tugs help them leave dock. INterseting first comment in video from a maritime engineer about protocol is to have gen up and running while under control from tugs. Certainly seems like catastrophic electrical/gen failure occurred:
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro have done the most damage to Italian heritage since Mussolini.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro have done the most damage to Italian heritage since Mussolini.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
Bartiromo and Jeanine Pirro have done the most damage to Italian heritage since Mussolini.
Not Little Boots? Or do Italian state predecessors not count?
Re: Key Bridge Collapse: What Happened?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:05 pm
by PizzaSnake
Ships are too big. Removed all slack from the system.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:10 pm
......aaaaaand, right on cue, TeamTinFoil is doing their thing online.
I wish there was a way to round them all up, put them in ONE city, and let them drive each other crazy with their nonstop conspiracies, and leave the rest of us with an IQ above room temperature alone.
What are you seeing that is team tinfoil?
Umm, Fox News and the odious Bartiromo trying to latch the bridge collapse on to "the border." The dozens and dozens of filthy trolls attributing the bridge collapse to "DEI hires, like Buttegieg." A quick tip across the landscape of social media talking about this catastrophe will show you enough to despair for this country's sanity.
Bunch of idiots. And DEI is the new CRT for this election cycle.
