2024 top 20

[nms]

I bet the media (and Quint) will keep Maryland and Duke above Denver and Cornell.

Duke deserves to be where you have them, since their best wins are against Princeton, BU, and Richmond.

[joewillie78]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

[Finster]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond

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Joewillie78

This is good. I’d absolutely have UVA over ND as well. If Ghobriel is healthy, I’m taking UVA over ND. UVA’s difference this year is imo the young scrappers like Terenzi and Millon; these two have the youthful alpha personalities on the field, something I think was missing last year.

I’m not anti Notre Dame, but I’m definitely cheering for Cornell this week. Go get’em JoeWillie!!! Your FOGO must have a good game.

[joewillie78]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond

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Joewillie78

This is good. I’d absolutely have UVA over ND as well. If Ghobriel is healthy, I’m taking UVA over ND. UVA’s difference this year is imo the young scrappers like Terenzi and Millon; these two have the youthful alpha personalities on the field, something I think was missing last year.

I’m not anti Notre Dame, but I’m definitely cheering for Cornell this week. Go get’em JoeWillie!!! Your FOGO must have a good game.

Agree 100% Fin. Our Fogos (Psyllos and Petrakis) are certainly not elite, but I give them credit as they scrap and fight, and with our #1 Fogo out, they have really risen to the challenge.

It should be a great game.

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Joewillie78

[joewillie78]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

[BigTurn]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

They have some work to do, but for a change I think you dropped Cornell too far. Certainly deserve to be above cuse

[keno in reno]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

[BigTurn]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

Honestly kind of a toss up.. outside of Maryland, UVA does not have any particularly impressive wins and just got spanked by Duke.

[coda]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

[joewillie78]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

Thanks. I will change it next Sunday.

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Joewillie78

[laxfan1313]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

[Farfromgeneva]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

Wins vs Hop, Cornell and GT are hard to argue with. The rest of the schedule isn’t total trash like some, though a few games stick out. The argument against them is the lack of a win over an ACC team not named UNC.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

[laxfan1313]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

[keno in reno]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

Apologies JW for the poorly worded post; not meant to be a personal affront, just a statement on the algorithm that produced those results. As far as the intended point, I don't see how any metric right now could place PSU or Maryland ahead of UVA.

[DocBarrister]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

Apologies JW for the poorly worded post; not meant to be a personal affront, just a statement on the algorithm that produced those results. As far as the intended point, I don't see how any metric right now could place PSU or Maryland ahead of UVA.

Isn’t the “algorithm that produced those results” Jw78’s brain?

Anyway, Johns Hopkins is not ranked too high. Wins are wins and the Blue Jays have wins over UVA, Penn State, GT, and Towson among others.

DocBarrister

[joewillie78]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

Apologies JW for the poorly worded post; not meant to be a personal affront, just a statement on the algorithm that produced those results. As far as the intended point, I don't see how any metric right now could place PSU or Maryland ahead of UVA.

KNR,
No apology neccessary. By putting out my weekly top20, I expect all the grief I get, and really don't mind any of the arrows aimed my way. Words sometimes just come out with a different connotation than how they were supposed to get a point across.

You are a great poster with great insights, so no worries at all.

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Joewillie78

[joewillie78]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Penn State above UVA is not intelligent. Neither is Maryland above UVA for that matter.

I agree with that. Maybe wouldn’t have said it so strongly, but agree. The one that stands out is Denver. There is nobody on this earth, that convince me they are a top 3 team

Apologies JW for the poorly worded post; not meant to be a personal affront, just a statement on the algorithm that produced those results. As far as the intended point, I don't see how any metric right now could place PSU or Maryland ahead of UVA.

Isn’t the “algorithm that produced those results” Jw78’s brain?

Anyway, Johns Hopkins is not ranked too high. Wins are wins and the Blue Jays have wins over UVA, Penn State, GT, and Towson among others.

DocBarrister

Doc,

My wife calls the algorithm you are referring to "CLF" (Crazy Lacrosse Fanaticism). She says my brain is completely useless until the Tuesday after Memorial Day Weekend.

Hopkins resume is easily worthy of the #3 ranking. Beating ANY BIG team on the road as the Jay's did last night is a great win, even though some will diminish that accomplishment. Also, I believe they are #3SOS and #3RPI.

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Joewillie78

[HopFan16]

Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

I think it's clear they are one of the best 20 teams in the country. In the last month or so, they easily handled Rutgers and lost by 1-3 goals to Hopkins, Maryland, Penn State, Denver, and Notre Dame. If you're roughly ~2 goals worse on average than all of those consensus top 10 teams then you're probably a top 20 team yourself. But I also don't think you're going to find many people that will rank a team that's 6-7. At the end of the day, the schedule you have is the one you have and you've got to win some games on it.

When the poll comes out this morning I would expect some voters to reward teams like Sacred Heart or Utah for having good records and going on big winning streaks. But if Sacred Heart played OSU tomorrow, is anyone picking Sacred Heart to win?

[NOVALax2015]

Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

I think it's clear they are one of the best 20 teams in the country. In the last month or so, they easily handled Rutgers and lost by 1-3 goals to Hopkins, Maryland, Penn State, Denver, and Notre Dame. If you're roughly ~2 goals worse on average than all of those consensus top 10 teams then you're probably a top 20 team yourself. But I also don't think you're going to find many people that will rank a team that's 6-7. At the end of the day, the schedule you have is the one you have and you've got to win some games on it.

When the poll comes out this morning I would expect some voters to reward teams like Sacred Heart or Utah for having good records and going on big winning streaks. But if Sacred Heart played OSU tomorrow, is anyone picking Sacred Heart to win?

Black smoke from Vatican indicates they think this is a toss-up.