2024 top 20

[coda]

Thanks for pulling this together, Joe Willie!

How close would Colgate have to keep it against Cuse tonight to crack your top 20? Two goals? Three goals? This is assuming that Colgate can defeat Hobart this weekend, which, of course is not a slam dunk.

Interesting question? This always brings up the debate about "good" losses of which I am in the corner of, their is no such thing as a good loss. ANY loss is bad.
That being said, beating PSU on the road was amazing, and my eye test showed that Colgate was just as athletic, and as skilled as PSU.
Can't wait to see tonight's game and possibly get a real feel for Colgate. Let's face it, a win over the Cuse wouldn't even just squeak Colgate into the top 20, but would probably propel them easily into the top 15.
Close loss? Sorry, not making my top 20 yet.
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Joewillie78

If Colgate wins, you have to put them in the top 10. I dont think it will last, but they have to go in the top 10

According to DraftKings, Cuse is an 8-goal favorite tonight. True David vs. Goliath matchup. I might advocate for Colgate to "receive votes" if they stay within 3 of Cuse and go on to beat Hobart. The fact that Kohn appeared to tweak his wrist against Vermont would be more concerning if their backup wasn't so good. But overall, I agree with JW and the NCAA selection committee that there is no such thing as a good loss.

I have 0 issues with anyone that wants to put Colgate in the polls right now. Based on this weekend Colgate should be ranked above PSU. I dont really agree with the "no such thing as a good loss". I would be way more impressed with OT loss vs Duke or Virginia, than beating Marist by 1 goal. Its not good to lose, but you should consider the overall play of the game based on the opponent.

[joewillie78]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

[coda]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

I totally agree with that, but my point is more to polls and ranking teams. You have to rank the wins and the loses in terms of quality.

[joewillie78]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

I totally agree with that, but my point is more to polls and ranking teams. You have to rank the wins and the loses in terms of quality.

Yup, I agree.
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Joewillie78

[Finster]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

As a fan, I agree.

As a player, I didn’t.

[ICGrad]

Let's face it, a win over the Cuse wouldn't even just squeak Colgate into the top 20, but would probably propel them easily into the top 15.

Wins over the preseason #4 and #12 teams in the span of 3 days? I'd absolutely say they belong in the top 10.

[Farfromgeneva]

Thanks for pulling this together, Joe Willie!

How close would Colgate have to keep it against Cuse tonight to crack your top 20? Two goals? Three goals? This is assuming that Colgate can defeat Hobart this weekend, which, of course is not a slam dunk.

We’ve got to restructure the D for this season but I still expect a win. Know what I saw last year form both teams and who’s returning on an unplayable field that cost us multiple players for multiple games and Karweck oulled a scumbag move so we are highly motivated to put them 6’ under in the dome this weekend regardless of what they did last week. You won’t have to worry about the “where do we rank Colgate” discussion soon. It’ll be the “should Hobart be ranked after beating Colgate and Cornell” discussion

[Farfromgeneva]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

So you’re saying you watch the 09 finals daily liek yoga in the morning?

[joewillie78]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

So you’re saying you watch the 09 finals daily liek yoga in the morning?

That game brings back nightmares and in reality, 2 games this weekend, Hopkins and PSU, where they could have done what Cornell should have done, also brought back the Memories.

I was screaming at my TV, at the player, and I forget who it was for Cornell, that as soon as the ref, gave the signal to run the clock, to take 1 step and then Fire that ball as high and as far toward the SYRACUSE net. Apparently, after this weekend, Tambroni still hasn't learned.

9 seconds, the darn ball would have been in the air at least 5, and then for Syracuse to get it and try to fire long range at the Cornell net is next to impossible.

The equivalent in the NFL is brain dead PETE CARROLL, with a TIMEOUT left not handing the ball to Marshon Lynch, who was killing the Patriots at the 2 yard line, instead getting cute and has Wilson throw the worst pass in SB history, for a pick.
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Joewillie78

[DoubleD]

Thanks for pulling this together, Joe Willie!

How close would Colgate have to keep it against Cuse tonight to crack your top 20? Two goals? Three goals? This is assuming that Colgate can defeat Hobart this weekend, which, of course is not a slam dunk.

Interesting question? This always brings up the debate about "good" losses of which I am in the corner of, their is no such thing as a good loss. ANY loss is bad.
That being said, beating PSU on the road was amazing, and my eye test showed that Colgate was just as athletic, and as skilled as PSU.
Can't wait to see tonight's game and possibly get a real feel for Colgate. Let's face it, a win over the Cuse wouldn't even just squeak Colgate into the top 20, but would probably propel them easily into the top 15.
Close loss? Sorry, not making my top 20 yet.
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Joewillie78

If Colgate wins, you have to put them in the top 10. I dont think it will last, but they have to go in the top 10

According to DraftKings, Cuse is an 8-goal favorite tonight. True David vs. Goliath matchup. I might advocate for Colgate to "receive votes" if they stay within 3 of Cuse and go on to beat Hobart. The fact that Kohn appeared to tweak his wrist against Vermont would be more concerning if their backup wasn't so good. But overall, I agree with JW and the NCAA selection committee that there is no such thing as a good loss.

Yeah the freshman Mullen was impressive. Big powerful kid.

[Farfromgeneva]

I have said this many times. When Cornell LOSES in double OT to the #1 team in the country OR beats the bottom ranked team in D1, by 1 goal, I still feel much better with that "bad" win, than I do with that "good" loss.
Sorry, I hate losing to anyone. WINNING is such a good feeling, no matter who it's against.
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Joewillie78

So you’re saying you watch the 09 finals daily liek yoga in the morning?

That game brings back nightmares and in reality, 2 games this weekend, Hopkins and PSU, where they could have done what Cornell should have done, also brought back the Memories.

I was screaming at my TV, at the player, and I forget who it was for Cornell, that as soon as the ref, gave the signal to run the clock, to take 1 step and then Fire that ball as high and as far toward the SYRACUSE net. Apparently, after this weekend, Tambroni still hasn't learned.

9 seconds, the darn ball would have been in the air at least 5, and then for Syracuse to get it and try to fire long range at the Cornell net is next to impossible.

The equivalent in the NFL is brain dead PETE CARROLL, with a TIMEOUT left not handing the ball to Marshon Lynch, who was killing the Patriots at the 2 yard line, instead getting cute and has Wilson throw the worst pass in SB history, for a pick.
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Joewillie78

In hindsight do you recall the Hobart game end of 09? we nearly won it being down heavy late. Jeff Colburn pinged a crossbar that would’ve tied it with about ten seconds left. I’m thinking now that team was suspect to late fatigue in some way (execution not necessarily athleticism)- we also started 5-0 that year including smashing both Gtown and a solid Bucknell squad and finished 7-7…

https://hwsathletics.com/news/2009/5/2/ ... 90408.aspx

https://hwsathletics.com/sports/mens-la ... xscore/289

[joewillie78]

I remember that game very well. It was a beautiful day and that Cornell team was loaded. Your goalie stood on his head all day. In reality, the best team on the field that day, didn't win.
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Joewillie78

[joewillie78]

My new week 2 top 20, and again, not disparaging Hobart or Colgate but it won't impact my top 20:
1. Duke
2. Virginia
3. Notre Dame
4. Cornell
5. Maryland
6. Syracuse
7. Denver
8. Yale
9. Army
10. Johns Hopkins
11. Penn State
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Rutgers
15. North Carolina
16. Ohio State
17. Delaware
18. Marquette
19. Boston University
20. Loyola

Michigan and Georgetown now out of top 20 and Loyola barely hanging on. Things will drastically change next week when ivys start.
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Joewillie78

[bearlaxfan]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

[joewillie78]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

Yes, pretty chalky at the top. Obviously Georgetown and Michigan had the roughest weekend.
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Joewillie78

[coda]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

Yes, pretty chalky at the top. Obviously Georgetown and Michigan had the roughest weekend.
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Joewillie78

Loyola had a rough weekend, which didn’t help GTowns resume. Sneaky game was Denver/Air force.. Denver did not look very good

[Finster]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

Yes, pretty chalky at the top. Obviously Georgetown and Michigan had the roughest weekend.
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Joewillie78

I thought Hofstra was going to be far more competitive with Navy.

[The Orfling]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

Yes, pretty chalky at the top. Obviously Georgetown and Michigan had the roughest weekend.
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Joewillie78

Loyola had a rough weekend, which didn’t help GTowns resume. Sneaky game was Denver/Air force.. Denver did not look very good

The Denver-Air Force game maybe was just overall sloppy because of the weather (snowed throughout much of the game)? Speaking of service academies, Army won an unexpectedly close one. UMass played really well so credit to them, but I thought Army looked a bit more mortal compared to some of the predictions; ultimately, they showed great poise in a 4th quarter comeback sparked by a 4-goal run. They won't sneak up on anybody this year, which can be something to get used to.

[coda]

UMass is always solid and that was game 1. I tend to overlook week 1 more than most.

[lorin]

Disappointing Saturday for those of us who like top-20 chaos as the "chalk" held serve. Hopefully the Ivy opening next week can mix things up like I mix metaphors.

"If it wasn't for disappointments I wouldn't have any appointments..."-TMBG

Yes, pretty chalky at the top. Obviously Georgetown and Michigan had the roughest weekend.
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Joewillie78

Loyola had a rough weekend, which didn’t help GTowns resume. Sneaky game was Denver/Air force.. Denver did not look very good

The Denver-Air Force game maybe was just overall sloppy because of the weather (snowed throughout much of the game)? Speaking of service academies, Army won an unexpectedly close one. UMass played really well so credit to them, but I thought Army looked a bit more mortal compared to some of the predictions; ultimately, they showed great poise in a 4th quarter comeback sparked by a 4-goal run. They won't sneak up on anybody this year, which can be something to get used to.

I agree about Army, they have to be ready every game, but missing starting attack-man and first game back for other attack kid from injury will end up being there best offensive player this year, I also think Plunkett might of put extra pressure on himself to play well in front of home crowd, he will get back to normal next game.