2024 top 20

[Ezra White]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

It’s a tiny schedule relative to every other team. Throw a few more games on their schedule and who knows what their W-L looks like. Maybe they’d be 12-1. Maybe they’d be 9-4. They got all 25 first place votes. I don’t know how I’d ’penalize’ them. It just doesn’t feel right.

Quality > Quantity. They have 2 top 5 wins, 4 top 10 wins and only loss is in OT to current #11. It’s clearly the best resume in the country.

This was masterful scheduling imo. Last year the ring was almost lost to injuries. Corrigan clearly knows what he has and wants to keep the team as healthy as possible. This schedule was not to make the tournament, it was built for another MDW run. Beat the quality teams and you’re rewarded, lose and you’re out, that’s the gamble.

Lacrosse Reference uses only the "10 most difficult opponents" to estimate SOS. Accordingly, ND ranks 16 on SOS.

[wgdsr]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

folks' obsession with this is weird. maryland plays 12. so does psu. most teams in contention play 13, with 2 additional cupcakes or more than nd. notre dame has the #2 sos and they haven't even dropped any of their games yet because they count the top 10 only. plus they now have 2 more games vs virginia. they'll likely be #1 sos in a walk. everybody's acting like teams play 5 more games.

[BigTurn]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

It’s a tiny schedule relative to every other team. Throw a few more games on their schedule and who knows what their W-L looks like. Maybe they’d be 12-1. Maybe they’d be 9-4. They got all 25 first place votes. I don’t know how I’d ’penalize’ them. It just doesn’t feel right.

Quality > Quantity. They have 2 top 5 wins, 4 top 10 wins and only loss is in OT to current #11. It’s clearly the best resume in the country.

This was masterful scheduling imo. Last year the ring was almost lost to injuries. Corrigan clearly knows what he has and wants to keep the team as healthy as possible. This schedule was not to make the tournament, it was built for another MDW run. Beat the quality teams and you’re rewarded, lose and you’re out, that’s the gamble.

Lacrosse Reference uses only the "10 most difficult opponents" to estimate SOS. Accordingly, ND ranks 16 on SOS.

Interesting, did not know this, thanks. My opinion still stands on quality > quantity as I don’t really care that someone else’s bottom of the barrel games were marginally better than Marquette or Cleveland state, they’re all equally unimpressive wins. What’s your record v. The top 20 is what people care about. But most importantly, what SOS does the committee use?

[Ruffled_Feathers]

The committee uses your 10 toughest opponents by RPI, which is what Lacrosse Reference shows in those listings.

The RPI rankings reflect the NCAA methodology for calculating the official RPI. I have also broken the RPI value into its 3 component parts. The 1st value is based on the team’s winning percentage (25% of the total). The 2nd value is based on their opponents’ winning percentage (50% of the total). The final value is based on their opponents’ opponents’ winning percentage (25% of the total). The SOS metric uses the NCAA’s method based on the 10 most difficult opponents. RPI projections for every team can be found on LacrosseReference PRO.

[wgdsr]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

It’s a tiny schedule relative to every other team. Throw a few more games on their schedule and who knows what their W-L looks like. Maybe they’d be 12-1. Maybe they’d be 9-4. They got all 25 first place votes. I don’t know how I’d ’penalize’ them. It just doesn’t feel right.

Quality > Quantity. They have 2 top 5 wins, 4 top 10 wins and only loss is in OT to current #11. It’s clearly the best resume in the country.

This was masterful scheduling imo. Last year the ring was almost lost to injuries. Corrigan clearly knows what he has and wants to keep the team as healthy as possible. This schedule was not to make the tournament, it was built for another MDW run. Beat the quality teams and you’re rewarded, lose and you’re out, that’s the gamble.

Lacrosse Reference uses only the "10 most difficult opponents" to estimate SOS. Accordingly, ND ranks 16 on SOS.

Interesting, did not know this, thanks. My opinion still stands on quality > quantity as I don’t really care that someone else’s bottom of the barrel games were marginally better than Marquette or Cleveland state, they’re all equally unimpressive wins. What’s your record v. The top 20 is what people care about. But most importantly, what SOS does the committee use?

the nc$$ listed criteria uses top 10. notre dame will finally have 2 and as many as 3 games drop off starting now thru acc tourney. it's not clear what the committee will do with the metric, if anything.

[BigTurn]

Thanks for the info, both. I’m doubling down on my stance then, ND has the best resume. Also can’t believe I’m going to advocate for cuse… but you can make a convincing argument that they deserve #2 right now, at least in polls.

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

[Finster]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

20-9, not 20-6, but your point stands. Also in that game, Cornell won the FO numbers, making the outcome even stranger.

[laxfan1313]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

20-9, not 20-6, but your point stands. Also in that game, Cornell won the FO numbers, making the outcome even stranger.

To correct your misperception about Cornell, the Big Red has way more than "2 guys that can score." Cornell has 6 players with more than 20 points and 4 players with more than 20 goals. Also, Ryan Goldstein with 7 games under his belt has 18 goals and Spencer Wirtheim has chipped in 14. Here is the stat sheet: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-l ... individual

[Finster]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

20-9, not 20-6, but your point stands. Also in that game, Cornell won the FO numbers, making the outcome even stranger.

To correct your misperception about Cornell, the Big Red has way more than "2 guys that can score." Cornell has 6 players with more than 20 points and 4 players with more than 20 goals. Also, Ryan Goldstein with 7 games under his belt has 18 goals and Spencer Wirtheim has chipped in 14. Here is the stat sheet: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-l ... individual

Just ftr, you are replying to the previous poster, not me. I'm well aware that Cornell has a surplus of scorers and can run and gun with anyone, including Syracuse

[laxfan1313]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

20-9, not 20-6, but your point stands. Also in that game, Cornell won the FO numbers, making the outcome even stranger.

To correct your misperception about Cornell, the Big Red has way more than "2 guys that can score." Cornell has 6 players with more than 20 points and 4 players with more than 20 goals. Also, Ryan Goldstein with 7 games under his belt has 18 goals and Spencer Wirtheim has chipped in 14. Here is the stat sheet: https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-l ... individual

Just ftr, you are replying to the previous poster, not me. I'm well aware that Cornell has a surplus of scorers and can run and gun with anyone, including Syracuse

Duly noted!

[Chousnake]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

I can point to a game or two for the top 15 teams that makes the same argument. Every team has a head scratcher or two. Did you watch the Cornell -PSU game? That game and score came down to one thing - goaltending. Fracyon was tremendous and the Cornell goalies could not stop a beach ball. After 3 quarters, the save percentages were something like 75% for Fracyon and 17% for Knust/Tully. You should know how that feels with Nunes not making a save on something like 18 straight shots over the past two games.

I'm not familiar with the "gun to the head" criteria. If that were used, however, there would be some people who would deeply regret that test over the years. It goes with the "eye test" that was used to justify the outrage with the 2022 bids and the "who would be favored" test that people point to occasionally.

UVA has not exactly been lighting it up lately. Let's see how they do this weekend. Things change week to week.



And the only 2 guys on Cornell can score argument is just wrong....and ignorant. They are a very balanced team with what might be the best top 6 attack/mid combination in the nation right now.

The teams ranked 1 through 11 are virtually interchangeable right now. You can make an argument for and against almost every one of them. It should be an interesting month.

[coda]

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

If you are going to go after Cornell and their ability to win games, you need to look at the defense. The offense is legit.

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Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Didn't Cornell get beat by Penn State 20-6? That's not a good loss right? Let's say UVA beat SYR Saturday 18-17, would you have Cornell ahead of them in the polls? These polls are pretty useless, this is how I like to think about it, I say if Cornell played UVA straight up right now, neutral field, if there was a gun to my head and had to pick a winner or lose my house, who would I pick...would you pick Cornell? if so then you have the answer, personally I would pick UVA, UVA gets beat by teams that have multiple, multiple guys that can score, not just 2 guys that can score....but maybe i'm wrong, maybe your wrong, thing is we may see this matchup in NCAAs....

I can point to a game or two for the top 15 teams that makes the same argument. Every team has a head scratcher or two. Did you watch the Cornell -PSU game? That game and score came down to one thing - goaltending. Fracyon was tremendous and the Cornell goalies could not stop a beach ball. After 3 quarters, the save percentages were something like 75% for Fracyon and 17% for Knust/Tully. You should know how that feels with Nunes not making a save on something like 18 straight shots over the past two games.

I'm not familiar with the "gun to the head" criteria. If that were used, however, there would be some people who would deeply regret that test over the years. It goes with the "eye test" that was used to justify the outrage with the 2022 bids and the "who would be favored" test that people point to occasionally.

UVA has not exactly been lighting it up lately. Let's see how they do this weekend. Things change week to week.



And the only 2 guys on Cornell can score argument is just wrong....and ignorant. They are a very balanced team with what might be the best top 6 attack/mid combination in the nation right now.

The teams ranked 1 through 11 are virtually interchangeable right now. You can make an argument for and against almost every one of them. It should be an interesting month.

I agree with the teams all being on top of each other....i didnt mean to say only 2 players on Cornell can score, but I don't think they are like Duke and SYR and ND where they have such depth on O...I don't think Cornell is as deep there....do you? I did watch the PSU game and you are right the goalie play was not usual on their part....but Cornell on D is not what the ACC teams are generally i think,well UVA has had a couple weeks of bad D but overall if you look at the season they have been pretty good..... i believe that was Cornell's big question mark this year D and goalie after losing their goalie last year...Love Mikey Long and of course Kirst though and would love to see them do well,

[CU88a]

Such a great year for NCAA lacrosse, I almost wish that there was a "NIT" style tournament for teams that don't make the NCAA cut. No doubt that the top 5-10 teams are legit for this May, but the 10-30 squads are possibly just a couple of goals from The Show AND scaring someone.

As a Cornell fan, I am concerned that at 8-4 they are on the Bubble, without the IVY AQ. Yet this year, I look at 6-8 Ohio State, and think that they could be in consideration if they had a couple of breaks over their past three (3) games. A team that gets those wins could go on a run into May.

at Maryland L 7-8
Johns Hopkins L 10-11
Michigan L 12-13

I am looking forward to watching a lot of games over the next couple of weeks and seeing which team makes that surprise run.

[coda]

Such a great year for NCAA lacrosse, I almost wish that there was a "NIT" style tournament for teams that don't make the NCAA cut. No doubt that the top 5-10 teams are legit for this May, but the 10-30 squads are possibly just a couple of goals from The Show AND scaring someone.

As a Cornell fan, I am concerned that at 8-4 they are on the Bubble, without the IVY AQ. Yet this year, I look at 6-8 Ohio State, and think that they could be in consideration if they had a couple of breaks over their past three (3) games. A team that gets those wins could go on a run into May.

at Maryland L 7-8
Johns Hopkins L 10-11
Michigan L 12-13

I am looking forward to watching a lot of games over the next couple of weeks and seeing which team makes that surprise run.

Lot is going to come down to the Big 10, Big East, and Ivy tournaments. I think those are the conference that bid stealers could emerge from. If you get something like Michigan, Villanova, and Princeton winning tournaments, than all hell is going to break loose and Cornell is in danger. Probably need at least 2 bid stealers to put Cornell in trouble.

[wgdsr]

Such a great year for NCAA lacrosse, I almost wish that there was a "NIT" style tournament for teams that don't make the NCAA cut. No doubt that the top 5-10 teams are legit for this May, but the 10-30 squads are possibly just a couple of goals from The Show AND scaring someone.

As a Cornell fan, I am concerned that at 8-4 they are on the Bubble, without the IVY AQ. Yet this year, I look at 6-8 Ohio State, and think that they could be in consideration if they had a couple of breaks over their past three (3) games. A team that gets those wins could go on a run into May.

at Maryland L 7-8
Johns Hopkins L 10-11
Michigan L 12-13

I am looking forward to watching a lot of games over the next couple of weeks and seeing which team makes that surprise run.

Lot is going to come down to the Big 10, Big East, and Ivy tournaments. I think those are the conference that bid stealers could emerge from. If you get something like Michigan, Villanova, and Princeton winning tournaments, than all hell is going to break loose and Cornell is in danger. Probably need at least 2 bid stealers to put Cornell in trouble.

way too much unknown at this point. could run out that 4 accs are in a good shape, then there's denver, jhu, umd and psu. not saying all would be in front of cornell, but that's 8 other teams besides cornell, the bottom several of which may be in a similar position to the big red depending on how these next 2 weekends go. definitely don't need 2 bid stealers for things to get hairy for some teams.

one thing that's going on is there aren't a lot of "bad losses" (> 20) going around this year for teams that seemingly are around the bubble. any team in that neighborhood aren't going to want to take one, or have one slip to there. and it's possible now 10-20 losses are going to be measured more closely.

[coda]

Such a great year for NCAA lacrosse, I almost wish that there was a "NIT" style tournament for teams that don't make the NCAA cut. No doubt that the top 5-10 teams are legit for this May, but the 10-30 squads are possibly just a couple of goals from The Show AND scaring someone.

As a Cornell fan, I am concerned that at 8-4 they are on the Bubble, without the IVY AQ. Yet this year, I look at 6-8 Ohio State, and think that they could be in consideration if they had a couple of breaks over their past three (3) games. A team that gets those wins could go on a run into May.

at Maryland L 7-8
Johns Hopkins L 10-11
Michigan L 12-13

I am looking forward to watching a lot of games over the next couple of weeks and seeing which team makes that surprise run.

Lot is going to come down to the Big 10, Big East, and Ivy tournaments. I think those are the conference that bid stealers could emerge from. If you get something like Michigan, Villanova, and Princeton winning tournaments, than all hell is going to break loose and Cornell is in danger. Probably need at least 2 bid stealers to put Cornell in trouble.

way too much unknown at this point. could run out that 4 accs are in a good shape, then there's denver, jhu, umd and psu. not saying all would be in front of cornell, but that's 8 other teams besides cornell, the bottom several of which may be in a similar position to the big red depending on how these next 2 weekends go. definitely don't need 2 bid stealers for things to get hairy for some teams.

one thing that's going on is there aren't a lot of "bad losses" (> 20) going around this year for teams that seemingly are around the bubble. any team in that neighborhood aren't going to want to take one, or have one slip to there. and it's possible now 10-20 losses are going to be measured more closely.

Agree. It maybe crazy to think Shellenberger may not play in the tournament his senior year, but I think Virginia could go to the bubble with 2 losses. Not to mention that would make 4 straight losses. This is big game for UVa. They beat ND and they can put their feet up. Lose and all of sudden they may need a win in the ACC tournament to get in. This isnt me arguing UVA doesnt belong in the tournament, but just saying things get a bit murky with 2 losses.

[wgdsr]

Such a great year for NCAA lacrosse, I almost wish that there was a "NIT" style tournament for teams that don't make the NCAA cut. No doubt that the top 5-10 teams are legit for this May, but the 10-30 squads are possibly just a couple of goals from The Show AND scaring someone.

As a Cornell fan, I am concerned that at 8-4 they are on the Bubble, without the IVY AQ. Yet this year, I look at 6-8 Ohio State, and think that they could be in consideration if they had a couple of breaks over their past three (3) games. A team that gets those wins could go on a run into May.

at Maryland L 7-8
Johns Hopkins L 10-11
Michigan L 12-13

I am looking forward to watching a lot of games over the next couple of weeks and seeing which team makes that surprise run.

Lot is going to come down to the Big 10, Big East, and Ivy tournaments. I think those are the conference that bid stealers could emerge from. If you get something like Michigan, Villanova, and Princeton winning tournaments, than all hell is going to break loose and Cornell is in danger. Probably need at least 2 bid stealers to put Cornell in trouble.

way too much unknown at this point. could run out that 4 accs are in a good shape, then there's denver, jhu, umd and psu. not saying all would be in front of cornell, but that's 8 other teams besides cornell, the bottom several of which may be in a similar position to the big red depending on how these next 2 weekends go. definitely don't need 2 bid stealers for things to get hairy for some teams.

one thing that's going on is there aren't a lot of "bad losses" (> 20) going around this year for teams that seemingly are around the bubble. any team in that neighborhood aren't going to want to take one, or have one slip to there. and it's possible now 10-20 losses are going to be measured more closely.

Agree. It maybe crazy to think Shellenberger may not play in the tournament his senior year, but I think Virginia could go to the bubble with 2 losses. Not to mention that would make 4 straight losses. This is big game for UVa. They beat ND and they can put their feet up. Lose and all of sudden they may need a win in the ACC tournament to get in. This isnt me arguing UVA doesnt belong in the tournament, but just saying things get a bit murky with 2 losses.

some craziness ahead. uva will get notre dame twice. beating them once would seem to put them in position to avoid chaos. should they lose them, it's possible all losses would be to top 5 teams. they'd have some other good metrics, and go from there. when you lose or win games hasn't seemed to ever matter in lacrosse (and explicitly isn't supposed to) unlike hoops, but the committee loves surprises.

[CU88a]

The NCAA Committee released its first Top 10 on Saturday. It matched the RPI in every spot.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... -we-/63177