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[youthathletics]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

[PizzaSnake]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

I see the propaganda mills are spinning up. "Committee to unleash prosperity?"

"Unleash?" Really? Evocative of a Esso mash-up with the Tony the Tiger campaign.

[MDlaxfan76]

Are we not the most “prosperous” nation on earth?

In what way is our economy not the most productive, most resilient in the world?

We could make an argument about the distribution of benefits of this success, but it ain’t that “prosperity” hasn’t been “unleashed”.

I was just watching a series of voters in NH explain their votes in the GOP primary.

One couple, woman, said, “he’s a criminal, I don’t see how anyone could vote for him.”

Next voter said “ I voted for Donald Trump. He’s the only one who can prevent us from going further into this pit of ruination “.

Ruination?

[MDlaxfan76]

Btw, there’s no way that those percentages claimed about ivy education wanting to ban things like private air conditioning and leisure travel are remotely correct. A lot of this Rasmussen survey jumped out at me as being ridiculously overstated. Sampling bias. But that’s what you get with Rasmussen.

The bias of the authors is ridiculous as well. But that’s what you get with propaganda.

That said, there’s definitely a difference in views between college educated and non college educated, and more so with post college degrees. Affluence tracks with higher education, both because affluent families afford that education, and our capitalist society rewards expertise, and scientific innovation, often only acquired through higher education. Plumbers do well too, so education comes in different ways, but predominantly through formal education.

And education typically provides a wider and deeper perspective and understanding of history, civics, philosophy as well as science…that’s undoubtedly going to lead to different views, arguably more informed views.

And affluence itself, especially inherited, but also directly earned is going to lead to less awareness of the situation of others with less. One aspect is the luxury of having a longer term perspective. To think about long term costs and benefits requires not being consumed by short term stress.

So, sure, there are differences…and those who wish to attract the support of voters with differing perspectives would do well to try to be empathetic , walk in their shoes. And communicate in ways that connect with those perspectives while translating why longer term choices matter as well…children is the most effective way to translate this.

The alternative is the populist fascist or communist authoritarian pitch, demonizing the Other, better yet multiple others, and promising immediate relief if they only have the full powers necessary. Some percentage of people are vulnerable to such pitch.

Reagan is an example of a Republican who took the empathy path, highly effectively. Clinton and Obama are Democrat examples. Biden as well, but none of those others faced a fascist opponent.

Note, Obama particularly freaked out the segment which is vulnerable. Along with social changes coming seemingly swiftly, ala gay marriage. This exacerbated a sense of alienation within their own country.

[cradleandshoot]

Btw, there’s no way that those percentages claimed about ivy education wanting to ban things like private air conditioning and leisure travel are remotely correct. A lot of this Rasmussen survey jumped out at me as being ridiculously overstated. Sampling bias. But that’s what you get with Rasmussen.

The bias of the authors is ridiculous as well. But that’s what you get with propaganda.

That said, there’s definitely a difference in views between college educated and non college educated, and more so with post college degrees. Affluence tracks with higher education, both because affluent families afford that education, and our capitalist society rewards expertise, and scientific innovation, often only acquired through higher education. Plumbers do well too, so education comes in different ways, but predominantly through formal education.

And education typically provides a wider and deeper perspective and understanding of history, civics, philosophy as well as science…that’s undoubtedly going to lead to different views, arguably more informed views.

And affluence itself, especially inherited, but also directly earned is going to lead to less awareness of the situation of others with less. One aspect is the luxury of having a longer term perspective. To think about long term costs and benefits requires not being consumed by short term stress.

So, sure, there are differences…and those who wish to attract the support of voters with differing perspectives would do well to try to be empathetic , walk in their shoes. And communicate in ways that connect with those perspectives while translating why longer term choices matter as well…children is the most effective way to translate this.

The alternative is the populist fascist or communist authoritarian pitch, demonizing the Other, better yet multiple others, and promising immediate relief if they only have the full powers necessary. Some percentage of people are vulnerable to such pitch.

Reagan is an example of a Republican who took the empathy path, highly effectively. Clinton and Obama are Democrat examples. Biden as well, but none of those others faced a fascist opponent.

Note, Obama particularly freaked out the segment which is vulnerable. Along with social changes coming seemingly swiftly, ala gay marriage. This exacerbated a sense of alienation within their own country.

Back up the bus there for a moment. Is my memory failing me here? I thought Barack and Michelle were against gay marriage before they were for it. Those sudden bolts of enlightenment always seem to happen at just the right time. When the winds of change start shifting you need to become a windsock. If your against gay marriage today some people might smack a label on you that says your a fascist.

I was always under the impression that core values don't normally change with the tides?

[NattyBohChamps04]

A thinly veiled hit piece with extremely suspect survey methodology. A Supply side economics lobby group is up in arms agains the 1%?

Messenger aside, they're right that the 1% is out of touch with America. But in ways that matter a heck of a lot more than their survey.

The funniest and saddest part about the people who eat this kind of stuff up? Their current solution is to vote in a silver-spoon Ivy League New York City "Billionaire." The mainstream media they consume does its best to suggest he's looking out for the workers of America while these "coastal elites" are the biggest bogeyman.

They're being told to look at the squirrel (immigrants, CRT, DEI, trans, etc) while the actual elites (not the ones from the survey) are exploiting them.

[cradleandshoot]

A thinly veiled hit piece with extremely suspect survey methodology. A Supply side economics lobby group is up in arms agains the 1%?

Messenger aside, they're right that the 1% is out of touch with America. But in ways that matter a heck of a lot more than their survey.

The funniest and saddest part about the people who eat this kind of stuff up? Their current solution is to vote in a silver-spoon Ivy League New York City "Billionaire." The mainstream media they consume does its best to suggest he's looking out for the workers of America while these "coastal elites" are the biggest bogeyman.

They're being told to look at the squirrel (immigrants, CRT, DEI, trans, etc) while the actual elites (not the ones from the survey) are exploiting them.

I find it hard to believe that the 1% folks give a rats patootie about whatever anybody thinks about them.

[cradleandshoot]

A thinly veiled hit piece with extremely suspect survey methodology. A Supply side economics lobby group is up in arms agains the 1%?

Messenger aside, they're right that the 1% is out of touch with America. But in ways that matter a heck of a lot more than their survey.

The funniest and saddest part about the people who eat this kind of stuff up? Their current solution is to vote in a silver-spoon Ivy League New York City "Billionaire." The mainstream media they consume does its best to suggest he's looking out for the workers of America while these "coastal elites" are the biggest bogeyman.

They're being told to look at the squirrel (immigrants, CRT, DEI, trans, etc) while the actual elites (not the ones from the survey) are exploiting them.

I find it hard to believe that the 1% folks give a rats patootie about whatever anybody thinks about them.

[a fan]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

I see the propaganda mills are spinning up. "Committee to unleash prosperity?"

"Unleash?" Really?

Protip: if you want to hide the fact that you're simply a group of rightwingnutjobs.....don't criticize Biden while leaving out Trump.

And don't imply that you think parents should be in charge of teaching our kids instead of, oh, I don't know....trained professionals who actually know how to teach kids. F them, right?

Thinly veiled? It's veiled at all, Natty.

[cradleandshoot]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

I see the propaganda mills are spinning up. "Committee to unleash prosperity?"

"Unleash?" Really?

Protip: if you want to hide the fact that you're simply a group of rightwingnutjobs.....don't criticize Biden while leaving out Trump.

And don't imply that you think parents should be in charge of teaching our kids instead of, oh, I don't know....trained professionals who actually know how to teach kids. F them, right?

Thinly veiled? It's veiled at all, Natty.

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

[Typical Lax Dad]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

I see the propaganda mills are spinning up. "Committee to unleash prosperity?"

"Unleash?" Really?

Protip: if you want to hide the fact that you're simply a group of rightwingnutjobs.....don't criticize Biden while leaving out Trump.

And don't imply that you think parents should be in charge of teaching our kids instead of, oh, I don't know....trained professionals who actually know how to teach kids. F them, right?

Thinly veiled? It's veiled at all, Natty.

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

Most of the home school folks I know are religious folk.

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/re ... ily-values

[a fan]

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

Not at all! I'm 100% supportive of homeschooling. Engaged parents are shown to do a pretty good job of it. But much of that is: it's a one on one interaction. Easier to teach one than 35, obviously.

What I'm reacting to, and what you and I have discussed before is for PUBLIC schools.

A. parents aren't trained to teach. Teachers are.

B. if we're going to let untrained parents decide what and who kids are taught: who are the lucky parents that get to make that call? Do I get to make the choice for ALL the other parents in my daughter's school?

In short, it's impossible to let parents choose how and what we teach our kids. You have to ELECT someone to do that, and/or APPOINT a rep. Which is exactly what we have been doing.

2023 RightWingers have been taught that among other enemies, teachers are their enemy. Read that out loud. Tell me you think that's right.

My head maltster's wife just left teaching after just 3 years in. Why? Piddly Denver pay coming from Colorado's right wingers, coupled with an unsafe work environment coming from left (and right, believe it or not) wingers.

A kid bit a teacher at her school last week. Know what happened? Nothing. Police weren't called. Kid wasn't expelled or suspended.

We are asking teachers to be the ONLY workers in America who aren't entitled to a safe workspace. And until we fix this? America will continue to circle the drain.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Is this irony?

https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/our-founders/

The "Committee members" are also an interesting list.

[MDlaxfan76]

Btw, there’s no way that those percentages claimed about ivy education wanting to ban things like private air conditioning and leisure travel are remotely correct. A lot of this Rasmussen survey jumped out at me as being ridiculously overstated. Sampling bias. But that’s what you get with Rasmussen.

The bias of the authors is ridiculous as well. But that’s what you get with propaganda.

That said, there’s definitely a difference in views between college educated and non college educated, and more so with post college degrees. Affluence tracks with higher education, both because affluent families afford that education, and our capitalist society rewards expertise, and scientific innovation, often only acquired through higher education. Plumbers do well too, so education comes in different ways, but predominantly through formal education.

And education typically provides a wider and deeper perspective and understanding of history, civics, philosophy as well as science…that’s undoubtedly going to lead to different views, arguably more informed views.

And affluence itself, especially inherited, but also directly earned is going to lead to less awareness of the situation of others with less. One aspect is the luxury of having a longer term perspective. To think about long term costs and benefits requires not being consumed by short term stress.

So, sure, there are differences…and those who wish to attract the support of voters with differing perspectives would do well to try to be empathetic , walk in their shoes. And communicate in ways that connect with those perspectives while translating why longer term choices matter as well…children is the most effective way to translate this.

The alternative is the populist fascist or communist authoritarian pitch, demonizing the Other, better yet multiple others, and promising immediate relief if they only have the full powers necessary. Some percentage of people are vulnerable to such pitch.

Reagan is an example of a Republican who took the empathy path, highly effectively. Clinton and Obama are Democrat examples. Biden as well, but none of those others faced a fascist opponent.

Note, Obama particularly freaked out the segment which is vulnerable. Along with social changes coming seemingly swiftly, ala gay marriage. This exacerbated a sense of alienation within their own country.

Back up the bus there for a moment. Is my memory failing me here? I thought Barack and Michelle were against gay marriage before they were for it. Those sudden bolts of enlightenment always seem to happen at just the right time. When the winds of change start shifting you need to become a windsock. If your against gay marriage today some people might smack a label on you that says your a fascist.

I was always under the impression that core values don't normally change with the tides?

So was Joe, and a whole lot of folks of goodwill. Most of us just really didn’t understand, did we? But change came fast, acceptance grew swiftly, as more and more people had family or friends who benefited. More so if you went to college recently or had kids going to college, as those but across the board eventually. But for some, such change was very unsettling, and some continue to oppose any further progress in understanding and accepting various differences from their own narrow world. And those opposed to such have mostly coalesced in the GOP…same for religious and racial bigotries.

[cradleandshoot]

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

Not at all! I'm 100% supportive of homeschooling. Engaged parents are shown to do a pretty good job of it. But much of that is: it's a one on one interaction. Easier to teach one than 35, obviously.

What I'm reacting to, and what you and I have discussed before is for PUBLIC schools.

A. parents aren't trained to teach. Teachers are.

B. if we're going to let untrained parents decide what and who kids are taught: who are the lucky parents that get to make that call? Do I get to make the choice for ALL the other parents in my daughter's school?

In short, it's impossible to let parents choose how and what we teach our kids. You have to ELECT someone to do that, and/or APPOINT a rep. Which is exactly what we have been doing.

2023 RightWingers have been taught that among other enemies, teachers are their enemy. Read that out loud. Tell me you think that's right.

My head maltster's wife just left teaching after just 3 years in. Why? Piddly Denver pay coming from Colorado's right wingers, coupled with an unsafe work environment coming from left (and right, believe it or not) wingers.

A kid bit a teacher at her school last week. Know what happened? Nothing. Police weren't called. Kid wasn't expelled or suspended.

We are asking teachers to be the ONLY workers in America who aren't entitled to a safe workspace. And until we fix this? America will continue to circle the drain.

I have a friend whose wife chose to home school their kid for a more troublesome reason. Their son was being bullied and beat up at school. Repeated efforts to stop it only made matters worse. I don't know if that is isolated but I know it left both parents very frustrated with their sons school.

[a fan]

Is this irony?

https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/our-founders/

The "Committee members" are also an interesting list.

Laffer? The man who almost single-handedly collapsed the American Middle/Working Class?

Founder of Trickle down?

YA.....come on, man. These people ARE the 1%.

[MDlaxfan76]

The Two Americas and How the Nation’s Elite Is Out of Touch with Average Americans

The people who run America, or at least think they do, live in a bubble of their own construction. They’ve isolated themselves from everyday America’s realities to such a degree their views about what is and what should be happening in this country differ widely from the average American’s. An analysis of their thinking, conducted for the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, finds that on a variety of economic, social, and political issues, there exists a wide gap between how the top 1% – the Elites – think things should be and how the rest of America looks at them.

https://committeetounleashprosperity.co ... -FINAL.pdf

I see the propaganda mills are spinning up. "Committee to unleash prosperity?"

"Unleash?" Really?

Protip: if you want to hide the fact that you're simply a group of rightwingnutjobs.....don't criticize Biden while leaving out Trump.

And don't imply that you think parents should be in charge of teaching our kids instead of, oh, I don't know....trained professionals who actually know how to teach kids. F them, right?

Thinly veiled? It's veiled at all, Natty.

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

Most of the home school folks I know are religious folk.

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/re ... ily-values

Me too. I’m having a beer and burger tonight with one, high school classmate, who home schooled his kids, citing religious reasons. “ born again”. Intelligent guy, I’m expecting to be harangued about DEI at our alma mater. I’m going to try to keep a sense of humor and steer away…several other classmates joining, but none are liberal and apparently that’s what they think I am.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Is this irony?

https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/our-founders/

The "Committee members" are also an interesting list.

Laffer? The man who almost single-handedly collapsed the American Middle/Working Class?

Founder of Trickle down?

YA.....come on, man. These people ARE the 1%.

Georgette Mosbacher?

[MDlaxfan76]

Point of order a Fan. There is a large number of parents who choose homeschooling because they have lost faith in the ability of "trained professionals" to properly educate their children. It might be that they are unimpressed with the curriculum being offered to their children. It takes a huge investment in time and dedication to teach your child at home. No need to be concerned about what your child is learning at school. The downside is your childs interaction with kids their own age becomes limited

Not at all! I'm 100% supportive of homeschooling. Engaged parents are shown to do a pretty good job of it. But much of that is: it's a one on one interaction. Easier to teach one than 35, obviously.

What I'm reacting to, and what you and I have discussed before is for PUBLIC schools.

A. parents aren't trained to teach. Teachers are.

B. if we're going to let untrained parents decide what and who kids are taught: who are the lucky parents that get to make that call? Do I get to make the choice for ALL the other parents in my daughter's school?

In short, it's impossible to let parents choose how and what we teach our kids. You have to ELECT someone to do that, and/or APPOINT a rep. Which is exactly what we have been doing.

2023 RightWingers have been taught that among other enemies, teachers are their enemy. Read that out loud. Tell me you think that's right.

My head maltster's wife just left teaching after just 3 years in. Why? Piddly Denver pay coming from Colorado's right wingers, coupled with an unsafe work environment coming from left (and right, believe it or not) wingers.

A kid bit a teacher at her school last week. Know what happened? Nothing. Police weren't called. Kid wasn't expelled or suspended.

We are asking teachers to be the ONLY workers in America who aren't entitled to a safe workspace. And until we fix this? America will continue to circle the drain.

I have a friend whose wife chose to home school their kid for a more troublesome reason. Their son was being bullied and beat up at school. Repeated efforts to stop it only made matters worse. I don't know if that is isolated but I know it left both parents very frustrated with their sons school.

And that’s a heck of a good reason to leave that school, whether resorting to home schooling or not. Bullying, whether violent or not, is a big reason why parents are willing to pay to send their kids to schools with less of a problem, and better discipline. Or move to districts with better.

Of course, some kids attract the bullies, at least for a stage, and that makes it nearly impossible to avoid in a large social environment.

But most home schooling(excluding athletes and entertainment or diplomatic etc) is by evangelicals. Not ok with Catholic, not ok with secular or non-denominational. And not ok with public.

[cradleandshoot]

Btw, there’s no way that those percentages claimed about ivy education wanting to ban things like private air conditioning and leisure travel are remotely correct. A lot of this Rasmussen survey jumped out at me as being ridiculously overstated. Sampling bias. But that’s what you get with Rasmussen.

The bias of the authors is ridiculous as well. But that’s what you get with propaganda.

That said, there’s definitely a difference in views between college educated and non college educated, and more so with post college degrees. Affluence tracks with higher education, both because affluent families afford that education, and our capitalist society rewards expertise, and scientific innovation, often only acquired through higher education. Plumbers do well too, so education comes in different ways, but predominantly through formal education.

And education typically provides a wider and deeper perspective and understanding of history, civics, philosophy as well as science…that’s undoubtedly going to lead to different views, arguably more informed views.

And affluence itself, especially inherited, but also directly earned is going to lead to less awareness of the situation of others with less. One aspect is the luxury of having a longer term perspective. To think about long term costs and benefits requires not being consumed by short term stress.

So, sure, there are differences…and those who wish to attract the support of voters with differing perspectives would do well to try to be empathetic , walk in their shoes. And communicate in ways that connect with those perspectives while translating why longer term choices matter as well…children is the most effective way to translate this.

The alternative is the populist fascist or communist authoritarian pitch, demonizing the Other, better yet multiple others, and promising immediate relief if they only have the full powers necessary. Some percentage of people are vulnerable to such pitch.

Reagan is an example of a Republican who took the empathy path, highly effectively. Clinton and Obama are Democrat examples. Biden as well, but none of those others faced a fascist opponent.

Note, Obama particularly freaked out the segment which is vulnerable. Along with social changes coming seemingly swiftly, ala gay marriage. This exacerbated a sense of alienation within their own country.

Back up the bus there for a moment. Is my memory failing me here? I thought Barack and Michelle were against gay marriage before they were for it. Those sudden bolts of enlightenment always seem to happen at just the right time. When the winds of change start shifting you need to become a windsock. If your against gay marriage today some people might smack a label on you that says your a fascist.

I was always under the impression that core values don't normally change with the tides?

So was Joe, and a whole lot of folks of goodwill. Most of us just really didn’t understand, did we? But change came fast, acceptance grew swiftly, as more and more people had family or friends who benefited. More so if you went to college recently or had kids going to college, as those but across the board eventually. But for some, such change was very unsettling, and some continue to oppose any further progress in understanding and accepting various differences from their own narrow world. And those opposed to such have mostly coalesced in the GOP…same for religious and racial bigotries.

My mom was a devout Catholic her entire life. As I have stated many times she raised us in the old school liberal tradition. Devout Catholics believe with no ambiguity that abortion involves killing a human life. That is not only a huge part of Catholic dogma but a rock solid core belief of Catholicism. The world and the church itself have become much more malleable over the past few decades. The new and improved version of Catholic dogma is redefined as " love the sinner, hate the sin" If your a devout Catholic then you believe there will be a judgement day where you will have to atone for your sins. I don't know if going to confession gets the job done. Core values to my understanding are not negotiable. That is why they call them core values. I'm trying to contemplate my moms response to someone telling her to get with the times Cathy, your views on abortion are way out of lines with the times. I only wonder what Jesus would have to say about it? I don't think Jesus Christ ever compromised on his fathers core values. The 10 commandments might just as well be changed to the 10

suggestions by the way issues are defined today.

Full disclosure, who a person chooses to marry is none of my business. One can't ignore that for many people of faith the concept of marriage being between one man and one woman has always been a core belief of their religious beliefs. I bet the founding fathers never contemplated this moral dilemma.