Sensible Gun Safety

[Seacoaster(1)]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

[youthathletics]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

[Typical Lax Dad]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

Why do you think most cases are resolved with plea bargains instead of a trial?

[Seacoaster(1)]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

I doubt that you will find anyone who disagrees with this sentiment. But saying it is easy. To carry out your wishes, my guess (I am not involved in the criminal system, except when I wait for my civil case to be called and watch the many, many allocutions of criminal cases) is that the funding levels in every one of the many court systems in the United States would have to rise dramatically and stay that way over time. Fewer please means more trials, more prosecutors (many of whom in urban areas where the issues you raise are the most obvious and worst handle hundreds of cases at a time), probably additional judge positions and more court staff to manage the additional trial works. The Court systems are really the public face of government for many, many thousands of Americans, but funding for them -- this third co-equal branch of government -- is relatively low given the workloads and the important public safety issues they deal with.

I was in court a while ago, sitting in the pews awaiting my case, sitting next to the lawyers involved in our case. In front on us on the daily list was several criminal cases, almost all related to drug, gun and domestic violence offenses (and many a delightful cocktail of all three at once!). The issue you raise -- we need to put away offenders rather than let them plea and return to the street -- is very complicated, and goes deep into problems that our society hasn't done much to manage. Maybe low taxes is the upside to living side by side with drugs, violence and gunplay at Super Bowl parades.

[youthathletics]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

I doubt that you will find anyone who disagrees with this sentiment. But saying it is easy. To carry out your wishes, my guess (I am not involved in the criminal system, except when I wait for my civil case to be called and watch the many, many allocutions of criminal cases) is that the funding levels in every one of the many court systems in the United States would have to rise dramatically and stay that way over time. Fewer please means more trials, more prosecutors (many of whom in urban areas where the issues you raise are the most obvious and worst handle hundreds of cases at a time), probably additional judge positions and more court staff to manage the additional trial works. The Court systems are really the public face of government for many, many thousands of Americans, but funding for them -- this third co-equal branch of government -- is relatively low given the workloads and the important public safety issues they deal with.

I was in court a while ago, sitting in the pews awaiting my case, sitting next to the lawyers involved in our case. In front on us on the daily list was several criminal cases, almost all related to drug, gun and domestic violence offenses (and many a delightful cocktail of all three at once!). The issue you raise -- we need to put away offenders rather than let them plea and return to the street -- is very complicated, and goes deep into problems that our society hasn't done much to manage. Maybe low taxes is the upside to living side by side with drugs, violence and gunplay at Super Bowl parades.

Appreciate the civil discourse.
I do not doubt it can be complicated, but solving it should not lean towards the benefit of the criminal. There just seems to be far too much nuance and leeway given in violent crime, all in the name of a plea. Sure, 1st time, lets give most the benefit of the doubt...next time, bye-bye...make probation 5-10 years so they have that little birdie over them knowing if I kcuF up I am toast, rather than knowing they can find an attorney that can keep the revolving door moving.

[Seacoaster(1)]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

I doubt that you will find anyone who disagrees with this sentiment. But saying it is easy. To carry out your wishes, my guess (I am not involved in the criminal system, except when I wait for my civil case to be called and watch the many, many allocutions of criminal cases) is that the funding levels in every one of the many court systems in the United States would have to rise dramatically and stay that way over time. Fewer please means more trials, more prosecutors (many of whom in urban areas where the issues you raise are the most obvious and worst handle hundreds of cases at a time), probably additional judge positions and more court staff to manage the additional trial works. The Court systems are really the public face of government for many, many thousands of Americans, but funding for them -- this third co-equal branch of government -- is relatively low given the workloads and the important public safety issues they deal with.

I was in court a while ago, sitting in the pews awaiting my case, sitting next to the lawyers involved in our case. In front on us on the daily list was several criminal cases, almost all related to drug, gun and domestic violence offenses (and many a delightful cocktail of all three at once!). The issue you raise -- we need to put away offenders rather than let them plea and return to the street -- is very complicated, and goes deep into problems that our society hasn't done much to manage. Maybe low taxes is the upside to living side by side with drugs, violence and gunplay at Super Bowl parades.

Appreciate the civil discourse.
I do not doubt it can be complicated, but solving it should not lean towards the benefit of the criminal. There just seems to be far too much nuance and leeway given in violent crime, all in the name of a plea. Sure, 1st time, lets give most the benefit of the doubt...next time, bye-bye...make probation 5-10 years so they have that little birdie over them knowing if I kcuF up I am toast, rather than knowing they can find an attorney that can keep the revolving door moving.

As I say, "bye-bye" means a lot of dollars. "Make probation 5-10 years" means more probation officers and staff, and more diligent monitoring of the probationers. But I don't think this will have any effect on mass shootings in any event. Twenty-one people hospitalized because they attended the Chiefs celebration on a nice, unseasonably warm day in KC. Eight of the 21 injured had immediately life-threatening injuries and seven others had life-threatening injuries. Were any of the shooters in the system already?

[ardilla secreta]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

[cradleandshoot]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Meaningless statistic if your a victim of a violent crime. Do you agree??

[Typical Lax Dad]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Meaningless statistic if your a victim of a violent crime. Do you agree??

Unemployment is meaningless if you are doing well…..no issue with housing either….our community is booming. Home in neighborhood just sold above asking price in seven days….stats on housing market is meaningless.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apple.news/A1IvITngqQVOaSbBkztMVLA

Juveniles have a 2A right!! It’s a birthright

[a fan]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Meaningless statistic if your a victim of a violent crime.

Or if you're trying to get elected.

[youthathletics]

10 people reported to have been shot at Kansas City Chief SB celebration.

Careful....this came from a query of the word chiefs....it may trigger some; pardon the pun.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Chiefs&src=typed_query

Chiefs Fans tackle what appears to be one of the shooters. https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1757 ... 32892?s=20

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/12314942 ... bowl-rally

Would have never happened if everyone in the celebrating crowd was armed. We just need more guns and everything will quiet down.

I'd also consider attorneys and judges enforce laws on the books for violent crime, and not have side hustle plea deals of lesser charges, allowing violent criminals to cycle thru the revolving door.

I doubt that you will find anyone who disagrees with this sentiment. But saying it is easy. To carry out your wishes, my guess (I am not involved in the criminal system, except when I wait for my civil case to be called and watch the many, many allocutions of criminal cases) is that the funding levels in every one of the many court systems in the United States would have to rise dramatically and stay that way over time. Fewer please means more trials, more prosecutors (many of whom in urban areas where the issues you raise are the most obvious and worst handle hundreds of cases at a time), probably additional judge positions and more court staff to manage the additional trial works. The Court systems are really the public face of government for many, many thousands of Americans, but funding for them -- this third co-equal branch of government -- is relatively low given the workloads and the important public safety issues they deal with.

I was in court a while ago, sitting in the pews awaiting my case, sitting next to the lawyers involved in our case. In front on us on the daily list was several criminal cases, almost all related to drug, gun and domestic violence offenses (and many a delightful cocktail of all three at once!). The issue you raise -- we need to put away offenders rather than let them plea and return to the street -- is very complicated, and goes deep into problems that our society hasn't done much to manage. Maybe low taxes is the upside to living side by side with drugs, violence and gunplay at Super Bowl parades.

Appreciate the civil discourse.
I do not doubt it can be complicated, but solving it should not lean towards the benefit of the criminal. There just seems to be far too much nuance and leeway given in violent crime, all in the name of a plea. Sure, 1st time, lets give most the benefit of the doubt...next time, bye-bye...make probation 5-10 years so they have that little birdie over them knowing if I kcuF up I am toast, rather than knowing they can find an attorney that can keep the revolving door moving.

As I say, "bye-bye" means a lot of dollars. "Make probation 5-10 years" means more probation officers and staff, and more diligent monitoring of the probationers. But I don't think this will have any effect on mass shootings in any event. Twenty-one people hospitalized because they attended the Chiefs celebration on a nice, unseasonably warm day in KC. Eight of the 21 injured had immediately life-threatening injuries and seven others had life-threatening injuries. Were any of the shooters in the system already?

Occams Razor....so what do you do?

1. Complain about money as a reason we don't lock up violent criminals for a long time, further give those that do comment violent crime a decade of probation.
2. Fight like hell to make the 2A a federal offense to own a gun in order to get the guns off the streets?
3. Hopes and Prayers and we just let violent criminals slid by b/c it costs too much, which they now know.
4. Or what?

What else can we add to the list that would realistically have a snowballs chance in hell at working and being enforced.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/11583566 ... ssociation.

We should do away with bail and plea bargaining. Keep taxes low while we are at it.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/15/poli ... index.html

[ardilla secreta]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Meaningless statistic if your a victim of a violent crime. Do you agree??

Is a fried egg meat?

[NattyBohChamps04]

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Pandemic uncertainty was like gas to the opioid epidemic flame and other issues. Not hard to see the cause of such an abnormal year or two. Glad to see we're going down.

Larceny and other issues are still ongoing as a result of the ever widening economic disparity. How many billions to trillions of dollars got funneled to the rich during the pandemic?

Lots more guns bought during the pandemic as well. And lots of idiots letting them get easily stolen. Or taken to 1st grade.

[cradleandshoot]

For cradle's benefit, Gov. Hochul was on Morning Joe this AM talking about the revisions to bail discretion that they've put through that enables judges to have some discretion as to who to hold, who to have higher bail, etc, enabling judges to actually hold tougher over a broader spectrum of crimes rather than mandating release with low or no bail for lesser crimes. Prior rules had judges handcuffed, forced to release. But there's differing implementation by judges that result in some head scratchers...assault of a police officer?

Violent crime is down by a lot in NY, but the current focus is now on escalating lesser, typically property crimes in which the perps feel they can operate with near impunity. Mostly organized, gang crime. Very frustrating to police.

I didn't hear this, but sounds like they need to somehow differentiate behttps://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent-crime-i ... believe-ittween the organized behaviors and the petty one offs that kids or desperate folks might do on their own.

Damn, no cable no MSNBC. Gov. Hochul has been dragged kicking and screaming into the real world. Bail reform as passed by the fanatical FLP tyrants that run this state have proven to be an abysmal failure. The KIA boys proved that last year. 3300 plus vehicles stolen for joy rides in Rochester alone. The vast majority of these thefts were younguns under 16. On the rare occasions that they were caught all the police could do was issue an appearance ticket, pat the young thief on the fanny and send them on their way. Gov. Hochul isn't stupid. She finally came to the conclusion that what the Democrats were doing in this state was a disaster of epic proportions. By that I mean the out of control crime was going to bite the Democrats in the butt come election. Even NYS Republicans as stupid as they are understand an opportunity when it's handed to them.

Long read, but thorough. No need for cable.
Beginning in 2020, Hochul has put through 3 modifications to bail, after the law preceding her election had issues that needed to be tightened up.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2 ... on/385379/

How is violent crime doing in New York cradle?
How is the state doing comparatively nationally? For instance, how is the homicide rate compare? How is trending?

Violent crime?? That depends what day it is. This is anecdotal but some poor guy was robbed coming out of a convenient store on Bay St on Christmas day. They beat him to a bloody pulp. He died yesterday at Strong hospital. Maybe you should ask his family members about violent crime in NYS? I'm sure they have an opinion that doesn't get whitewashed in the world of statistics.

Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it
https://www.wbfo.org/2024-02-12/violent ... believe-it

Meaningless statistic if your a victim of a violent crime. Do you agree??

Is a fried egg meat?

To a true vegan it is.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/us/color ... index.html

Guns aren’t dangerous… people are.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

Certainly a rough couple of weeks for headline grabbing criminal homicide perpetrated with guns. Criminals just can't seem to stop being criminals - and just can't seem to obey any of the thousands upon thousands (federal, state, local) laws governing legal, law-abiding gun ownership. What we know:

The post directly above regarding the murdered Police/First responders in Minnesota. Our perp now named on all major news outlets:
https://heavy.com/news/shannon-cortez-gooden/

This link below is from a MN think tank and I include not to have any lean or partisan cloak thrown over the facts, but rather for the important data regarding how existing gun laws and prosecutorial apathy put the public and those who serve the public in harms way.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/life ... esponders/

"There were a record number of cases involving an offense committed with a firearm — 1,805 in 2023, up from 1,587 in 2022 and 636 just 15 years earlier. Despite this rise in the use of firearms in the commission of a crime, which carry mandatory minimum sentencing, only 30% (545) ended up with a conviction and a mandatory minimum sentence. 48% of these cases were either not charged, dismissed, or the mandatory minimum sentence was waived."

Firearms illegal for perp to own/utilize.

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The Super Bowl parade: perps now known. Firearms illegal for perps to own/utilize. Due to being minors, we'll likely not hear much moving forward on this case. Missouri currently in the "must do something" phase of the "never let a good tragedy go to waste" narrative. What is statistically clear in the state is that the vast majority of criminal gun violence and gun homicide is perpetrated in a few zip codes in two cities. The rest of the state, despite having "loose gun laws", is exceedingly safe in terms of violence committed through the criminal utilization of a firearm.

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Colorado dorm murder: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/s ... ontgomery/

Suspect Nicholas Jordan in custody. Jordan is a fellow student from Detroit, MI, and supposedly knew the student who is allegedly his victim. Unknown if he knew the mom of two also in the dorm room and murdered. Whether he owned the pistol legally or not (any bets?) it was illegal for him to have it on campus which is a gun free zone. We'll see how this particular event plays out as more evidence is gathered.

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And back in Minnesota:

https://news.yahoo.com/elkhorn-shooting ... 27886.html

Reoffending bail jumper prohibited from firearm ownership murders newly married couple for $120.00 in the cash register at the bar.

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The common responses are "just one more law, restriction, statute". The questions which seem to need answers is why are we not enforcing existing laws and providing criminals with a clear understanding they will face serious consequence for criminal gun "ownership" and acts?

Law abiding gun owners certainly wish the crosshairs would be directed on the criminals. Interested to hear the thoughts of folks here.

[MDlaxfan76]

nah, we don't have too many guns, we have too many laws for criminals to break...