Sensible Gun Safety

[dislaxxic]

Because its a worthwhile subject...

Many posters at LP lament the sheer NUMBER of guns in our country, arguing, essentially, that because there are so many, attempting to sensibly regulate them is never going to work.

"Never"?

There may be sensible ways to do it...and one thing is for sure, the NRA and its attitude on the issue is very likely NOT the answer...

ProCon.org

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[Bandito]

Because its a worthwhile subject...

Many posters at LP lament the sheer NUMBER of guns in our country, arguing, essentially, that because there are so many, attempting to sensibly regulate them is never going to work.

"Never"?

There may be sensible ways to do it...and one thing is for sure, the NRA and its attitude on the issue is very likely NOT the answer...

ProCon.org

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Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the country yet gun violence is through the roof. Gun control doesn't work. Bad guys will always have a gun. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns every time.

[dislaxxic]

Gotta give you props, Bandito, you're nothing if not consistent.

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[thatsmell]

I think it's hard to ban a specific weapon as there will always be another model that comes out. WIth mass shootiungs being the crisis de jour in the MSM, I think the country ultimately will and should move to capacity limits. Probably similar to the laws enacted in one of the strictist states- MD. As a recreational shooter, I think that's a fair compromise. IMO, no one needs more than 10 rounds at a time. It's enough for any sporting clay game, hunting need, and self defense.

[ohmilax34]

I think it's hard to ban a specific weapon as there will always be another model that comes out. WIth mass shootiungs being the crisis de jour in the MSM, I think the country ultimately will and should move to capacity limits. Probably similar to the laws enacted in one of the strictist states- MD. As a recreational shooter, I think that's a fair compromise. IMO, no one needs more than 10 rounds at a time. It's enough for any sporting clay game, hunting need, and self defense.

In most mass shootings, what is the capacity of the gun being used?

[dislaxxic]

Kavanaugh Defends Opinion That Assault Weapons Are “Common” and Can’t Be Banned

Ruh Roh

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[thatsmell]

I think it's hard to ban a specific weapon as there will always be another model that comes out. WIth mass shootiungs being the crisis de jour in the MSM, I think the country ultimately will and should move to capacity limits. Probably similar to the laws enacted in one of the strictist states- MD. As a recreational shooter, I think that's a fair compromise. IMO, no one needs more than 10 rounds at a time. It's enough for any sporting clay game, hunting need, and self defense.

In most mass shootings, what is the capacity of the gun being used?

If an AR is used a 24 round clip is standard, although I think larger clips and drums exist. Most rifles come with a 24 round clip.
If you buy any semi-automatic gun online as a Marylander, (long gun or handgun) you will either recieve a gun with a 10 round clip (if the seller has one to substitute) or you'll get the gun without a clip.
So in Maryland, you can only shoot a gun with a 10 round capacity or smaller. Or get arrested. But oddly, a Marylander can drive over the Mason Dixon line and buy a 24 rd clip in PA if they want. But they still can't shoot it in MD.

[hickorystick]

Good news, dis, NYS is making it more difficult for undesirables to get guns. My friend's wife was prescribed medical marijuana yesterday (along with CBD oil) which immediately puts her on the list of those prohibited from buying guns. All the time she's been on antidepressants (Xanax, Zoloft) or pain killers (Oxycodone) she's been stable enough in the eyes of the Empire State to be a responsible gun owner, not with marijuana though. The chest pounding, grandstanding, anti gun, politicians really let the people of NYS know that they're on this gun control thing and are doing something about it. Meanwhile, her husband, who has been smoking marijuana for 40+ years illegally, and has been encouraging her for years to try what the Dr. just prescribed (to no avail, but now she'll try it because a Dr. prescribed it), can still go out and buy any gun he wants. Gotta love it, no guns for medical marijuana users....what happens when recreational marijuana becomes legal? The irony is, I believe the the Xanax, Zoloft, Oxy, Ritalin, etc. are a bigger part of the gun problem (perceived) than marijuana ever was, or will be.
Brilliant.

[holmes435]

Good news, dis, NYS is making it more difficult for undesirables to get guns. My friend's wife was prescribed medical marijuana yesterday (along with CBD oil) which immediately puts her on the list of those prohibited from buying guns. All the time she's been on antidepressants (Xanax, Zoloft) or pain killers (Oxycodone) she's been stable enough in the eyes of the Empire State to be a responsible gun owner, not with marijuana though. The chest pounding, grandstanding, anti gun, politicians really let the people of NYS know that they're on this gun control thing and are doing something about it. Meanwhile, her husband, who has been smoking marijuana for 40+ years illegally, and has been encouraging her for years to try what the Dr. just prescribed (to no avail, but now she'll try it because a Dr. prescribed it), can still go out and buy any gun he wants. Gotta love it, no guns for medical marijuana users....what happens when recreational marijuana becomes legal? The irony is, I believe the the Xanax, Zoloft, Oxy, Ritalin, etc. are a bigger part of the gun problem (perceived) than marijuana ever was, or will be.
Brilliant.

It's not a New York thing, it's a federal thing.

As soon as you start using the devil's weed, you're a prohibited person and aren't allowed to buy a gun anywhere in the country. So if you do have friends or family who want to head to legal states to use recreationally, let them know they're forfeiting their 2nd amendment rights as long as it remains federally illegal.

And as long as we have idiots like Jeff Sessions and others in positions of power claiming Marijuana should be a Sched 1 drug, we're not gonna get very far. Hopefully we'll see the green wave grow big enough to sweep across the country in the next few election cycles and it becomes federally legal.

[thatsmell]

Those with a history of "abusing" alcophol or drugs are not allowed to purchase guns.

It's so odd that Weed is where the feds draw the line.

Shows you how much stronger the pharm companies' lobby is.

Alcohol is "legal" but it's not somethign that's prescribed. So until the Weed lobby becomes better or the recreational stuff is legalized, that is probably how the law will stay.

Interesting, crazy stuff.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"A bunch of cops were coming in with guns," he said. "I saw a lady down. A Cincinnati police officer dragged her out of the bank. She was talking. She was bleeding. Her shirt was red." Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said the suspect used a 9 mm handgun, and City Councilman Wendell Young said he was told the man carried 500 rounds of ammunition. "He could've killed over 100 people," Deters said.

[Bandito]

"A bunch of cops were coming in with guns," he said. "I saw a lady down. A Cincinnati police officer dragged her out of the bank. She was talking. She was bleeding. Her shirt was red." Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said the suspect used a 9 mm handgun, and City Councilman Wendell Young said he was told the man carried 500 rounds of ammunition. "He could've killed over 100 people," Deters said.

Guns don't pull their own triggers. We don't blame the car for car crashes. This is very tragic situation but again, guns aren't the problem, its the crazy people behind the trigger.

[foreverlax]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

Guns don't kill, people do. I have yet to see a gun pull its own trigger. The guns are fine.... people are the problem.

[laxman3221]

ISo in Maryland, you can only shoot a gun with a 10 round capacity or smaller. Or get arrested. But oddly, a Marylander can drive over the Mason Dixon line and buy a 24 rd clip in PA if they want. But they still can't shoot it in MD.

Wrong. In Maryland, no person may manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition. You can shoot standard capacity magazines all you want.

[hickorystick]

Those with a history of "abusing" alcophol or drugs are not allowed to purchase guns.

It's so odd that Weed is where the feds draw the line.

Shows you how much stronger the pharm companies' lobby is.

Alcohol is "legal" but it's not somethign that's prescribed. So until the Weed lobby becomes better or the recreational stuff is legalized, that is probably how the law will stay.

Interesting, crazy stuff.

Inasmuch as the stigma being perpetuated by the feds is based on lies fabricated by Uncle Sam's crew of crookeds, it is indeed crazy. It's not as if Reefer Madness hasn't been exposed for the fairy tale that it is, or the "research" the crookeds did in the one authorized lab in the country, which was anything but objective or without agenda, has any merit, yet this mentality is still used by the feds to determine whether or not one is stable enough to buy a gun. Certainly doesn't do much to improve the lack of trust citizens have with the feds. Another policy based on lies, like the Duke rape case and the UVA rape case. No truth to either one of those cases, yet the stigma of young college boys being rapists and sexual assaulters remains, and policies established on those fabricated stories remain in effect.
Crazy indeed.

[Superdaves]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

Guns don't kill, people do. I have yet to see a gun pull its own trigger. The guns are fine.... people are the problem.

Actually it's more people with guns. I've never seen a drive by baseball batting....except when there use to be wooden mailboxes

[Bandito]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

No mass shootings have been committed by NRA members either. Your kind need to stop blaming the NRA for gun violence.

[foreverlax]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

No mass shootings have been committed by NRA members either. Your kind need to stop blaming the NRA for gun violence.

There is no way to prove that statement.


You weren't talking about mass shootings.....

Guns don't pull their own triggers. We don't blame the car for car crashes. This is very tragic situation but again, guns aren't the problem, its the crazy people behind the trigger.

...I was just making it clear that your extreme position was inaccurate.

[Bandito]

Not all guns deaths occur as a result of the shooter being crazy.

No mass shootings have been committed by NRA members either. Your kind need to stop blaming the NRA for gun violence.

There is no way to prove that statement.


You weren't talking about mass shootings.....

Guns don't pull their own triggers. We don't blame the car for car crashes. This is very tragic situation but again, guns aren't the problem, its the crazy people behind the trigger.

...I was just making it clear that your extreme position was inaccurate.

Everything I stated is true. Guns don't pull their own triggers. Cars aren't blamed for the car crashes. So why do we turn guns into the enemy? The second amendment has been proven historically to be cut and dry. And yes, no NRA member has ever committed a mass shooting with a firearm. But liberals have.