2023 world lacrosse men's championship

[10stone5]

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[wgdsr]

It’s rather depressing taking two teams of professionals and putting them in a pool with teams of club guys. Add this to list of why very few people care about lacrosse. It’s a really cool experience for all the other teams, for USA and Canada it’s not.

c'mon xxxx, this is a little much. top players have a hankering to try out and play for the u.s. team (and i presume canada). one reason is precisely because it's a really cool experience.

[faircornell]

The World Championships are an event and a coming together as a global lacrosse community. Players meet players from difference countries. Young players get to interact and see their heroes face-to-face. Older guys meet up and catch up. Coaches and old friends get caught up. Each team knows their craft well.

Aside from the "Old Timers" there are new comers who want to be part of the action. Sometimes this involves a lot of question answering and the "re-creating" to find the "truth" by young questioners.. seeing a young fan walk away with an an auograph and a smile is always something. Hearing tales of bygone day interesting. Clubs are not highly resourced and learning about fund raising is always interesting. Also, since lacrosse history is orally passed on, new histories are often learned.

Finally and not least, this gives a estimate of where you are in life. Are you player, coach, administrator? Every lacrosse player has a talent to give of their talents work that will help generations to come.

[Puck Swami]

Do the Haudenosaunee have a shot to be in the olympics? Don’t you have to be an actual country with borders and passports?

The big issue is the legal evolution of the IOC's stance on indigenous nationhood. While the idea is very appealing from a current social (and anti-colonial) perspective to recognize the enormous contributions of Native communities, their sports and their sense of tribal identity, it's very tricky structural and socio-political can of worms to grant native populations their own IOC nationhood, as (1) those indigenous athletes are already citizens of existing IOC-recognized nations, and (2) the 1996 Olympic Charter change ruled that NOC recognition can "only be granted after recognition as an independent state by the international community."

If you start granting international sovereignty to one tribe of people who are not a recognized international state, the aboriginal peoples in all countries may wish to soon play under their own indigenous flags, rather than their national flags. There are about 400-500 million people in the world who are broadly considered indigenous people depending on who does the counting, with about 70% of them living in Asia and Australasia, including:
-Ainu people of Japan
-Assyrians of the Middle East (Aramaic speaking Christians)
-The Kazakhs, Mongols, Tajik, Tibetans, Ugyur, and Eurasian Nomads of Kazakhstan, eastern Russia, and China
-The Miao and Hmong of southern China, Laos and Thailand
-The Shan and Karen peoples of Burma /Myanmar
-The Chakma of Pakistan
-The Kurds of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey and parts of the former Soviet Union
-Maori of New Zealand
- Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders of Australia

Here in our own hemisphere, there are several large groups of indigenous people:
-Many different Native American/First Nations/Metis tribes in USA and Canada
-Inuit and Aleutians of Canada and circumpolar Europe
-Mayans of Guatemala and Mexico
-Aymaras of Bolivia and other indigenous tribes of South America

In Africa, you also have a number of large indigenous groups, including:
-Kung San of the Kalahari Desert (Botswana, Angola,Namibia)
-Berbers of Morocco
-Hadzabe People of Tanzania
-Mbuti (Pygmies) of Zaire
-Maasai in East Africa
-Bantu and other ethnic minorities in Somalia
-Ogoni in Nigeria
-Tuareg people of Algeria, Libya, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso
Sahrawi of the Western Sahara

In Europe, you have the Saami people of Northern Scandinavia.

Do athletes from all these groups now suddenly get to choose to compete for their tribe instead of their normal nation of citizenship? And, if you start granting IOC nationhood status to indigenous groups, then do we then have to grant IOC nation status to other linguistic or ethnic status (such as a Basque Olympic Team with players from the Basque regions of Spain and France and its Basque diaspora elsewhere? All of a sudden, the whole structure of the IOC could be splintered into sub-identity chaos that could de-stabilize the whole Olympic movement...

While the IOC is global organization in name, it has a hard enough time managing the existing 200 or so National Olympic Committees (NOCs), the Organizing Committees who stage the games (OCOGs) Sport Federations and Sponsors under the IOC family umbrella.

Finally, let's face it, Nationalism is the primary (if unmentioned) financial fuel behind the Olympic Movement...

[MDlaxfan76]

The World Championships are an event and a coming together as a global lacrosse community. Players meet players from difference countries. Young players get to interact and see their heroes face-to-face. Older guys meet up and catch up. Coaches and old friends get caught up. Each team knows their craft well.

Aside from the "Old Timers" there are new comers who want to be part of the action. Sometimes this involves a lot of question answering and the "re-creating" to find the "truth" by young questioners.. seeing a young fan walk away with an an auograph and a smile is always something. Hearing dales of bygone day interesting. Clubs are not highly resource and learning about fund raising is always interesting. Also, since lacrosse history is orally passed on.

Finally and not least, this gives a estimate of where you are in life. Are you player, coach, administrator? Every lacrosse player has a talent to give of their talents work that will help generations to come.

I know that my son had a terrific time coaching the New Zealand team back in 2018 for the World Games in Israel!

He was just two years out of college, but concussions had ended his playing career, and he happened to be in NZ that year for work.
Ran the defense and goalies. They had a couple of guys who'd played in the States but didn't take on any US guys like some of countries, wanted it just for NZ born and bred.

He had a blast helping them.

[molo]

Does anyone know why Currier had not played since leaving the game against US? Announcers haven’t said anything.

[mdk01]

Japan is 3-0 scoring 47 and giving up 3. All players homegrown. This could get interesting in the future.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Does anyone know why Currier had not played since leaving the game against US? Announcers haven’t said anything.

I wondered if he suffered an injury when I didn’t see him on the field much during the USA game.

[youthathletics]

Japan is 3-0 scoring 47 and giving up 3. All players homegrown. This could get interesting in the future.

Waseda University in Japan is pretty darn good, my son played against them in 2018...still has a jersey when they swapped after the games. You could see the growth in the sport. Their offense was very schematic, with off ball flow still developmental. They have come a long way in 6 years.

[wgdsr]

can they give them a run for a bit?

[youthathletics]

Might see some injuries, could get chippy.

[DocBarrister]

Watched some of the Korea-Ireland game, which Ireland won 14-2. Good effort by both teams, but …

… not sure I would pay to see these games.

DocBarrister

no one has asked you to.

Someone seems to think this site is twitter.

Joe

So, a forum member who was banned for six months is passing judgment on me?

Heh.

I would suggest you and wgdsr stop focusing on me and actually discuss lacrosse.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Japan is 3-0 scoring 47 and giving up 3. All players homegrown. This could get interesting in the future.

Waseda University in Japan is pretty darn good, my son played against them in 2018...still has a jersey when they swapped after the games. You could see the growth in the sport. Their offense was very schematic, with off ball flow still developmental. They have come a long way in 6 years.

Puerto Rico is also pretty good … 3-0. Big test against Israel tomorrow. Melendez and Aviles making important contributions.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

why does quint keep saying it's packed to the rafters and when they pan to the stands there's tons of seats?

[Typical Lax Dad]

why does quint keep saying it's packed to the rafters and when they pan to the stands there's tons of seats?

for radio

[wgdsr]

why does quint keep saying it's packed to the rafters and when they pan to the stands there's tons of seats?

for radio

they distract me so much and i shouldn't let them. haudenosaunee did a great job making it a game. if they shot better early, who knows? usa team doesn't look like the favorite without baptiste and ierlan.

[Kismet]

Do the Haudenosaunee have a shot to be in the olympics? Don’t you have to be an actual country with borders and passports?

The big issue is the legal evolution of the IOC's stance on indigenous nationhood. While the idea is very appealing from a current social (and anti-colonial) perspective to recognize the enormous contributions of Native communities, their sports and their sense of tribal identity, it's very tricky structural and socio-political can of worms to grant native populations their own IOC nationhood, as (1) those indigenous athletes are already citizens of existing IOC-recognized nations, and (2) the 1996 Olympic Charter change ruled that NOC recognition can "only be granted after recognition as an independent state by the international community."

If you start granting international sovereignty to one tribe of people who are not a recognized international state, the aboriginal peoples in all countries may wish to soon play under their own indigenous flags, rather than their national flags. There are about 400-500 million people in the world who are broadly considered indigenous people depending on who does the counting, with about 70% of them living in Asia and Australasia, including:
-Ainu people of Japan
-Assyrians of the Middle East (Aramaic speaking Christians)
-The Kazakhs, Mongols, Tajik, Tibetans, Ugyur, and Eurasian Nomads of Kazakhstan, eastern Russia, and China
-The Miao and Hmong of southern China, Laos and Thailand
-The Shan and Karen peoples of Burma /Myanmar
-The Chakma of Pakistan
-The Kurds of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey and parts of the former Soviet Union
-Maori of New Zealand
- Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders of Australia

Here in our own hemisphere, there are several large groups of indigenous people:
-Many different Native American/First Nations/Metis tribes in USA and Canada
-Inuit and Aleutians of Canada and circumpolar Europe
-Mayans of Guatemala and Mexico
-Aymaras of Bolivia and other indigenous tribes of South America

In Africa, you also have a number of large indigenous groups, including:
-Kung San of the Kalahari Desert (Botswana, Angola,Namibia)
-Berbers of Morocco
-Hadzabe People of Tanzania
-Mbuti (Pygmies) of Zaire
-Maasai in East Africa
-Bantu and other ethnic minorities in Somalia
-Ogoni in Nigeria
-Tuareg people of Algeria, Libya, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso
Sahrawi of the Western Sahara

In Europe, you have the Saami people of Northern Scandinavia.

Do athletes from all these groups now suddenly get to choose to compete for their tribe instead of their normal nation of citizenship? And, if you start granting IOC nationhood status to indigenous groups, then do we then have to grant IOC nation status to other linguistic or ethnic status (such as a Basque Olympic Team with players from the Basque regions of Spain and France and its Basque diaspora elsewhere? All of a sudden, the whole structure of the IOC could be splintered into sub-identity chaos that could de-stabilize the whole Olympic movement...

While the IOC is global organization in name, it has a hard enough time managing the existing 200 or so National Olympic Committees (NOCs), the Organizing Committees who stage the games (OCOGs) Sport Federations and Sponsors under the IOC family umbrella.

Finally, let's face it, Nationalism is the primary (if unmentioned) financial fuel behind the Olympic Movement...

Al quite true but what is also true of the IOC is that they have no problems bending the rules of there is $$$$ to be made. They have already given the Haudenosaunee a potential path to IOC membership (for a price, of course).

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/22/ir ... ed-states/

[molo]

Currier left the US game early and has not returned. We have received no information from announcers. Canada could miss him tonight as the Haudenosaunee gave US a scare last night.
Q made it clear that he thinks Sowers, who played more than ever last night in the absence of Schreiber, should be playing attack. McCardle’s late goals sealed the game for the victors. Zed Williams handled Rambo petty well. I don’t see Rambo or MCCardle as middies if Sowers is moved to attack, nor does the guy he would supplant look like a potential middie.

[molo]

It’s impossible to get information about the actual games from the announcers. Currier left the US game early and has not played since. It took the announcers a while to note his absence, and they never mentioned last night that he wasn’t dressed. They also failed to comment on the lineup changes that put Byrne at midfield and set up a RRL attack instead of the LLR look that Byrne gave them for the first game.
Q accurately noted that Sowers should be playing attack but stopped short of heresy. Or maybe he just realized that the flex guys forced to play midfield instead of attack are doing fine out of position but that none of the three attackmen, who never leave the field, would play well at midfield.
I assume Schreiber will not play against England.
Does the home team knock off Canada tonight?

[BigTom5]

This USA team is very underwhelming. Way too many legacy picks instead of picking the best players. Attack of Pannell, Rambo, McArdle would be a great grouping in 2019, but all are far past their prime right now. Best player is Sowers. He should be the focal point at attack but is instead running midfield. Guys like Wisnauskas, Ament, Brad Smith, Moore, Gray, Shellenberger and Costabile all come to mind as younger guys who could have brought more pop. Without the massive faceoff advantage they’d be in serious trouble.