ivy league 2024

[faircornell]

Don't look now but the race for the Ivy League tournament is getting kind of interesting with Brown's upset of Princeton.

• Brown: currently 1-3, has beaten Princeton head-to-head, still with Dartmouth and Harvard to play.

• Harvard: currently 1-3, with Brown and Cornell still to play;

• Princeton: currently 2-2, with Penn and Yale still to play.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think here's a possible path for each team (not saying the only path though):

1. Princeton: controls their own destiny, if they win out (vs. two challenging opponents) they end at 4-2 and are in (and I think would clinch at least the #2 seed?);
2. Harvard: Needs more help -- if they win out to get to 3-3 I believe they need Princeton to lose both remaining games because Princeton beat Harvard head-to-head;
3. Brown: Needs medium help -- must win out to get to 3-3 and hope Princeton loses one of their last two games; if Brown is 3-3 in this scenario they'd get into the ILT because they'd hold wins over both Princeton and Harvard.

There's also a flukier possibility of those three teams finishing at 2-4? E.g. Princeton loses to Penn and Yale; Harvard loses to Cornell and beats Brown; Brown loses to Harvard and beats Dartmouth. In that scenario (not the only 2-4 scenario but seemingly the most plausible) then I think it would go to goal differential in the games in which those three teams played/play each other.

In an even flukier 2-4 scenario in which Princeton loses to both Penn and Yale, Harvard beats Cornell but loses to Brown; and Brown beats Harvard but loses to Dartmouth, I believe Brown would emerge with the ILT slot by virtue of having beaten Harvard and Princeton and thus going 2-0 vs the group.

Flukiest of them all, 4 teams at 2-4: Dartmouth beats Brown and Cornell (2-4); Princeton loses to Yale and Penn (2-4); Harvard splits by beating Cornell, losing to Brown (2-4); and Brown splits by losing to Dartmouth and beating Harvard (2-4). In that scenario I think it would go to goal differential.

Makes your head spin!

I'd be surprised if Princeton did not clock at least one more win this Ivy regular season.

I suppose a gambling man would take the other side of your prediction. Princeton should be an underdog in both of those games and has assembled a fairly pedestrian record so far. They have only two wins over opponents with a winning record — Rutgers and Harvard. Even if they win one of their two final games, they will be rooting hard for Harvard to defeat Brown. The Bears haven’t lost to Dartmouth since Hector was a pup, so assuming that is a W again this year, their ILT will effectively begin when they travel to Harvard for a play-in game to end the regular season. That kind of late season run would be very “on brand” for Daly. If they beat Harvard, Princeton’s season would be over since Brown holds the head-to-head tiebreaker over the Tigers and Harvard, making them the #4 seed in either a 2-way or a 3-way tie at 3-3. Princeton’s loss to Brown was just a killer for them.

Yes... I can see your point. it's a funny year. I'd argue that Princeton has (thus far) under-achieved considering the talent that they have on the roster. Massey gives them a two goal edge against Penn this weekend. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[ICGrad]

Well looks like all of our hand-wringing over who wins the Ivies has been moot; according to inside lacrosse, Penn has it in the bag:

"A trio of Quakers seniors propelled Penn to a comeback win on Senior Day to clinch the top spot in the Ivy League Tournament, improving their conference record to 4-1."

Pretty interesting how they could lose to Princeton to drop to 4-2 in league play and still finish ahead of a 5-1 Cornell and 5-1 Yale. The more you know...

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... sn-t/63119

[FannOLax]

Well looks like all of our hand-wringing over who wins the Ivies has been moot; according to inside lacrosse, Penn has it in the bag:

"A trio of Quakers seniors propelled Penn to a comeback win on Senior Day to clinch the top spot in the Ivy League Tournament, improving their conference record to 4-1."

Pretty interesting how they could lose to Princeton to drop to 4-2 in league play and still finish ahead of a 5-1 Cornell and 5-1 Yale. The more you know...

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... sn-t/63119

Ummm yah, that is kinda funny. Even if they Penn beats Princeton, Yale could also finish 5-1 and won the head-to-head against Penn.

In talking about Princeton, the blurb started off talking so much about Brown that I thought someone had made an awful mistake and written the entire paragraph about Brown.

But what do we know? Inside Lacrosse is full of experts!

[bearlaxfan]

Reposting the tiebreaks


https://ivyleague.com/sports/2018/4/17/ ... 80748.aspx

[faircornell]

Ivy League Tewaaraton Nominees:

Matt Brandau, Yale
Emmet Carroll, Penn
Sam King, Harvard
CJ Kirst, Cornell
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton

Congratulations to all five players.

[PizzaSnake]

Ivy League Tewaaraton Nominees:

Matt Brandau, Yale
Emmet Carroll, Penn
Sam King, Harvard
CJ Kirst, Cornell
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton

Congratulations to all five players.

Besides Emmet playing for Penn, I’d love to see a tender win.

Oh, and he has been the difference this season.

[faircornell]

Ivy League Tewaaraton Nominees:

Matt Brandau, Yale
Emmet Carroll, Penn
Sam King, Harvard
CJ Kirst, Cornell
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton

Congratulations to all five players.

Besides Emmet playing for Penn, I’d love to see a tender win.

Oh, and he has been the difference this season.

There's also an Ivy Alum tender who's on the list. Chayse Ierlan from JHU (Cornell '23).

[Gobigred]

Twelve of the 25 are grad students.

[CU88a]

Twelve of the 25 are grad students.

WOW

[The Orfling]

Cornell clinches ILT slot with the win over Harvard; they also have a great path to at least a share of the regular season Ivy championship and a solid chance at the #1 seed depending upon the results of Penn-Princeton today and Yale-Princeton next week. If Penn loses today, Cornell will get the #1 ILT seed with a win over Dartmouth in the Big Red's final game. If Penn wins today, seeding will depend on whether there's a 2-way tie at 5-1 with Cornell and Penn (Penn would get #1 seed) or a three-way tie at 5-1 with Cornell/Yale/Penn (Cornell would get the #1 seed).

Meanwhile, in the race for the final slot, Harvard is out but Brown stays alive; they were down by 2, 8-10 to Dartmouth in Q4 but went on a 6-1 run and closed out 14-11 over the Big Green. Nice comeback for Bruno.

[Farfromgeneva]

Public service announcement:

Given health, Nate Kabriri is going to win the before he’s done.

Thanks,

Mgt

[The Orfling]

Barring one of the bigger Ivy league upsets in recent years, Cornell is likely to host the Ivy League tournament. Very strong win for the Big Red.

Brown stays alive, although Princeton looked absolutely unbeatable today against Penn and if Princeton beats Yale next week they not only make the ILT but nab the #2 seed. Great game by the Tigers.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Barring one of the bigger Ivy league upsets in recent years, Cornell is likely to host the Ivy League tournament. Very strong win for the Big Red.

Brown stays alive, although Princeton looked absolutely unbeatable today against Penn and if Princeton beats Yale next week they not only make the ILT but nab the #2 seed. Great game by the Tigers.

Tigers were off 11 days leading up to Brown and was just out of it until the second quarter. Two Ivy League losses by a total of 2 goals. The Cornell loss was even worse than the Brown loss. Up 2 at home and late in the game……need to figure out how to win it.

[The Orfling]

Barring one of the bigger Ivy league upsets in recent years, Cornell is likely to host the Ivy League tournament. Very strong win for the Big Red.

Brown stays alive, although Princeton looked absolutely unbeatable today against Penn and if Princeton beats Yale next week they not only make the ILT but nab the #2 seed. Great game by the Tigers.

Tigers were off 11 days leading up to Brown and was just out of it until the second quarter. Two Ivy League losses by a total of 2 goals. The Cornell loss was even worse than the Brown loss. Up 2 at home and late in the game……need to figure out how to win it.

In a post-season setting Princeton seems to me to be the proverbial Team Nobody Wants to Play (in the sense that there are a couple of "Ls" on the record that might indicate vulnerability but they have all the pieces to dominate and they may well be putting it all together just at the right time).

[faircornell]

Some top performances in the Ivy League this week:

Offense:

Matt Brandau, Yale: (3,5) 8 points vs Albany, (5,4) 9 points vs Hofstra = 17 points
Nate Davis, Dartmouth: (3,3) 6 points vs Brown
Willem Firth, Cornell (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Nate Kabiri, Princeton: (2,3) 5 points vs Penn
CJ Kirst, Cornell: (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Carson Kuhl, Yale: (3,0) 3 points vs Albany, (1,1) 2 points vs Hofstra = 5 points
Johnny Kelb, Yale: (3,1) 4 points vs Albany
Tynan Walsh, Penn: (1,3) 4 points vs Princeton
Cole Cashion, Yale: (1,0) 1 point vs Albany, (3,0) 3 points vs Hofstra = 4 points
Colin McGill, Dartmouth: (3,0) 3 points vs Brown
Davis Provost, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Griffin Scale, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Tommy Barnds, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Logan Ip, Harvard: (2,1) 3 points vs Cornell
Max Krevsky, Yale (2,1) 3 points vs Hofstra
Ben Locke, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Aidan McLane, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Ben Scandone, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
James Shipley, Penn: (2,1) 3 points vs Princeton
Elliott Fee, Dartmouth: (1,2) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Michael Long, Cornell: (1,2) 3 points vs Harvard

Face-Off

Angelo Petrakis, Cornell: 7/11, 64% vs Harvard
Andrew McMeekin, Princeton: 16/27, 59% vs Penn
Mitchell Meyers, Dartmouth: 14/27, 52% vs Brown
Andrew Gennaro, Harvard: 13/25, 52% vs Cornell
Dash Sachs, Brown: 12/24, 50% vs Dartmouth
Ethan Costello, Penn: 12/24, 50% vs Princeton

Goalies:

Wyatt Knust, Cornell: 16 saves, 67% vs Harvard
Jared Paquette, Yale: 14 saves, 64% vs Hofstra
Michael Gianforcaro: Princeton: 15 saves, 60% vs Penn (1,0) 1 point
Connor Theriault, Brown: 15 saves, 58% vs Dartmouth
Emmett Carroll, Penn: 17 saves, 53% vs Princeton
Mason Morel, Dartmouth: 15 saves, 52% vs Brown
Christian Barnard, Harvard: 13 saves, 46% vs Cornell
Hugh Conrad, Yale: 7 saves, 64% vs Albany, 7 saves, 64% vs Hofstra

[DA/PU]

Some top performances in the Ivy League this week:

Offense:

Matt Brandau, Yale: (3,5) 8 points vs Albany, (5,4) 9 points vs Hofstra = 17 points
Nate Davis, Dartmouth: (3,3) 6 points vs Brown
Willem Firth, Cornell (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Nate Kabiri, Princeton: (2,3) 5 points vs Penn
CJ Kirst, Cornell: (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Carson Kuhl, Yale: (3,0) 3 points vs Albany, (1,1) 2 points vs Hofstra = 5 points
Johnny Kelb, Yale: (3,1) 4 points vs Albany
Tynan Walsh, Penn: (1,3) 4 points vs Princeton
Cole Cashion, Yale: (1,0) 1 point vs Albany, (3,0) 3 points vs Hofstra = 4 points
Colin McGill, Dartmouth: (3,0) 3 points vs Brown
Davis Provost, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Griffin Scale, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Tommy Barnds, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Logan Ip, Harvard: (2,1) 3 points vs Cornell
Max Krevsky, Yale (2,1) 3 points vs Hofstra
Ben Locke, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Aidan McLane, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Ben Scandone, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
James Shipley, Penn: (2,1) 3 points vs Princeton
Elliott Fee, Dartmouth: (1,2) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Michael Long, Cornell: (1,2) 3 points vs Harvard

Face-Off

Angelo Petrakis, Cornell: 7/11, 64% vs Harvard
Andrew McMeekin, Princeton: 16/27, 59% vs Penn
Mitchell Meyers, Dartmouth: 14/27, 52% vs Brown
Andrew Gennaro, Harvard: 13/25, 52% vs Cornell
Dash Sachs, Brown: 12/24, 50% vs Dartmouth
Ethan Costello, Penn: 12/24, 50% vs Princeton

Goalies:

Wyatt Knust, Cornell: 16 saves, 67% vs Harvard
Jared Paquette, Yale: 14 saves, 64% vs Hofstra
Michael Gianforcaro: Princeton: 15 saves, 60% vs Penn
Connor Theriault, Brown: 15 saves, 58% vs Dartmouth
Emmett Carroll, Penn: 17 saves, 53% vs Princeton
Mason Morel, Dartmouth: 15 saves, 52% vs Brown
Christian Barnard, Harvard: 13 saves, 46% vs Cornell
Hugh Conrad, Yale: 7 saves, 64% vs Albany, 7 saves, 64% vs Hofstra

As a PU alum/fan I’ll add 2 goals for Mcmeekin and one for Gianforcaro!

[joewillie78]

Why isn't Gianforcaro listed in the top OFFENSIVE performers? His stat line for a Goalie of (1,0) is awesome.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

[faircornell]

Some top performances in the Ivy League this week:

Offense:

Matt Brandau, Yale: (3,5) 8 points vs Albany, (5,4) 9 points vs Hofstra = 17 points
Nate Davis, Dartmouth: (3,3) 6 points vs Brown
Willem Firth, Cornell (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Nate Kabiri, Princeton: (2,3) 5 points vs Penn
CJ Kirst, Cornell: (2,3) 5 points vs Harvard
Carson Kuhl, Yale: (3,0) 3 points vs Albany, (1,1) 2 points vs Hofstra = 5 points
Johnny Kelb, Yale: (3,1) 4 points vs Albany
Tynan Walsh, Penn: (1,3) 4 points vs Princeton
Cole Cashion, Yale: (1,0) 1 point vs Albany, (3,0) 3 points vs Hofstra = 4 points
Colin McGill, Dartmouth: (3,0) 3 points vs Brown
Davis Provost, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Griffin Scale, Penn: (3,0) 3 points vs Princeton
Tommy Barnds, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Logan Ip, Harvard: (2,1) 3 points vs Cornell
Max Krevsky, Yale (2,1) 3 points vs Hofstra
Ben Locke, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton: (2,1) 3 points vs Penn
Aidan McLane, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Ben Scandone, Brown: (2,1) 3 points vs Dartmouth
James Shipley, Penn: (2,1) 3 points vs Princeton
Elliott Fee, Dartmouth: (1,2) 3 points vs Dartmouth
Michael Long, Cornell: (1,2) 3 points vs Harvard

Face-Off

Angelo Petrakis, Cornell: 7/11, 64% vs Harvard
Andrew McMeekin, Princeton: 16/27, 59% vs Penn
Mitchell Meyers, Dartmouth: 14/27, 52% vs Brown
Andrew Gennaro, Harvard: 13/25, 52% vs Cornell
Dash Sachs, Brown: 12/24, 50% vs Dartmouth
Ethan Costello, Penn: 12/24, 50% vs Princeton

Goalies:

Wyatt Knust, Cornell: 16 saves, 67% vs Harvard
Jared Paquette, Yale: 14 saves, 64% vs Hofstra
Michael Gianforcaro: Princeton: 15 saves, 60% vs Penn (1,0) 1 point
Connor Theriault, Brown: 15 saves, 58% vs Dartmouth
Emmett Carroll, Penn: 17 saves, 53% vs Princeton
Mason Morel, Dartmouth: 15 saves, 52% vs Brown
Christian Barnard, Harvard: 13 saves, 46% vs Cornell
Hugh Conrad, Yale: 7 saves, 64% vs Albany, 7 saves, 64% vs Hofstra

I've added the goalie goal. I'll go back later to look at FOGO goals.

[IvyBrown]

I think these are the updated standings through current.
What are the scenarios to play out here for IL tourney?

SCHOOL CONFERENCE OVERALL
Yale * 4-1 11-2
Cornell * 4-1 8-4
Penn * 4-2 8-5
Princeton 3-2 8-4
Brown 2-3 3-9
Harvard 1-4 7-5
Dartmouth 0-5 3-9
*clinched 2024 Ivy League men's lacrosse tournament berth

[faircornell]

Why isn't Gianforcaro listed in the top OFFENSIVE performers? His stat line for a Goalie of (1,0) is awesome.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

I've added the goalie goal. I've not listed goalie goals before. As a Big Red fan, I'm still a bit scarred from watching the reoccurring video of Blaze Riorden scoring on Christian Knight being repeatedly played on various lacrosse social media posts over the years.