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August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A physical activity while preparing for business school? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:39 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A physical activity while preparing for business school? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

Your description of Yale is so dumb that it ends this thread right there.

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

You really seem lost August. There are few if any programs that have had an identity as strongly as Cuse. Yes! Flash and shoot. It is one thing to say an approach is not currently working. It is completely different to say that there isn’t one. And to disparage Notre Dame (who I strongly dislike) as chasing shiny objects while praising….Georgetown? Georgetown? A slapped together all-star team of shiny objects who flames out yet again early in the tourney. Not to say Yale can’t win like UNC did in 16….or like f’ing Yale did in 18? Yale, who has been to the championship game in 2 of the last 4 seasons they played? Maybe someday, if they get it dialed in, they might stumble upon the success Delaware has had. Clown post.

44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 5:54 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:24 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:38 pm

August wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:22 pm It seems fair to summarize several posts about specific programs and their coaches by reflecting back the identity and culture these programs and coaches promote. Lacrosse isnt the lacrosse of the past where talent is concentrated in a few programs BUT it is a sport where only a few programs can actually compete for a national title. Coaching and culture matter more in today's game. There is so much talent and "sizzle without steak" in the high school and youth club game now, (highlights, instagram, etc.) the inbound college players need to be re-programmed- much like college football and basketball. Talent and potential is everywhere in lacrosse now; the culture and coaching of programs is going to create real and desperate separation and will be aided by the transfer portal and exacerbated by NIL distractions. National Championships will be limited (year in year out) to a few cultures/programs.

Programs like Maryland, Duke, and Virginia have the culture and coaching to compete for a National Championship every year.

Programs like Cornell and Georgetown seem to be getting close to having it dialed in.

Programs like Hopkins, Michigan, Delaware seem to be moving in the right direction.

Programs like Syracuse and Notre Dame seem to be chasing shiny objects, the media name game, and playing to win games and fans- not championships.

Programs like UNC, Ohio State, Yale are so invested in their coach and "that one" booster, they are going to be impossible to sustain any success.

Lacrosse doesnt have a talent problem. It has a culture problem.

I'll just say I'm not a fan of this post. Notre Dame, Syracuse and Yale don't have an identity? Georgetown is somehow higher up the echelon than Hopkins and UNC in your identity ranking?

You can define and re-define identity any way you want, so it's really not much of a debate anyways.

What is Notre Dame lacrosse? Coach Corrigan? Kavanaghs? What is Syracuse lacrosse? Gait? #22? Flash and shoot? What is Yale lacrosse? A free time physical activity? So OK they have identities- just not winning ones. The point is, only a few programs are in the business of winning a National Championship these days. Not saying Notre Dame or Syracuse or Yale cant win like UNC did in 16... just saying they are not championship programs

You really seem lost August. There are few if any programs that have had an identity as strongly as Cuse. Yes! Flash and shoot. It is one thing to say an approach is not currently working. It is completely different to say that there isn’t one. And to disparage Notre Dame (who I strongly dislike) as chasing shiny objects while praising….Georgetown? Georgetown? A slapped together all-star team of shiny objects who flames out yet again early in the tourney. Not to say Yale can’t win like UNC did in 16….or like f’ing Yale did in 18? Yale, who has been to the championship game in 2 of the last 4 seasons they played? Maybe someday, if they get it dialed in, they might stumble upon the success Delaware has had. Clown post.

If I start a reply with "Maybe I should ignore this thread, but ..." I should really be listening to my inner voice, but I agree that this year, 'Cuse did have a flash and shoot culture, that sometimes really looked amazing. But it looks nothing like the old run-and-gun that I remember from a generation ago.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.

Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.

Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

DocBarrister

CU88a wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:22 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:58 pm I'd argue thar Cornell has a strong culture of lacrosse. I'd define it as "a lacrosse player's lacrosse culture". It's not flashy, but it's substantive. The program has ups and downs, but is generally competitive. As noted in another thread, several former Cornell coaches led teams to the NCAA Tournament this year.

Cornell's program is primarily funded by alums, parents and friends, so it has a different feel to it than UVA, Duke or the other schools mentioned. While there has been coaching turnover, the essence of the program has remained remarkably consistent. I'd point to the Cornell AA selections, USILA inductees and Tewaaraton finalists and winners as examples of a strong culture and representation within the lacrosse community.

Cornell’s lacrosse culture kinda reminds me of the Green Bay Packers. A small-town team with rabid fans and traditions that go back further than a half-century. It’s just a matter of time before Cornell wins another national championship.

Oh, and Hopkins is going to steal your head coach someday. Just sayin’ ….

DocBarrister

Well said, until that bit about our coach!

FMUBart wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 12:29 pm This has got to be the dumbest thread in the brief history of Fanlax...I just wasted 3 minutes of my life skimming it!!

FMUBart wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 12:29 pm This has got to be the dumbest thread in the brief history of Fanlax...I just wasted 3 minutes of my life skimming it!!