Johns Hopkins 2024

[HopFan16]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

[DocBarrister]

I am ecstatic that the Blue Jays lost.

No more close wins masking some SERIOUS PROBLEMS on offense.

The players put in a good effort. I do not blame them.

Crawley and PM have done an awful job of addressing some obvious problem on offense. Two goals in the last three quarters.

Who coaches the clearing game? Point some fingers in that direction as well

I think some of those issues are related to (1) Michigan’s physicality, and (2) the Blue Jays playing too much D.

Clears have been problematic on occasion, but not consistently a problem like the O.

DocBarrister

[alecbaldwin]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

[HopFan16]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

[alecbaldwin]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

[DocBarrister]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

Peshko wasn’t particularly aggressive in his dodges. That’s the thing about aggressive power dodges … you often don’t beat your man at all. You power through with your defender hanging all over you and then get off a shot or a pass.

I did not see Collison testing his defender at all. Collision’s most aggressive dodge of the game was on the very first play … and he actually got an excellent look at the goal. Needed to see more of that.

DocBarrister

[StephenBaldwin]

Guys there’s no sense in arguing over what a bunch of 18-22 (and one 25 year old) did or didn’t do, they’re doing the best they can. They just aren’t that good, but you can see they’re working hard.

[TimmyTimmyTurner]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

HopFan16 needs a new hobby…I am new here, but it’s pretty simple to me that he doesn’t understand how offense in lacrosse works. Draw a slide, move the ball.

I also don’t think that this is the kiss of death that everyone thinks it is. Teams have bad games. They are a shoe in to the tournament. They will be fine. “Part Time” Pete Milliman will be able to adjust and lead them to victory

[DocBarrister]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

It’s not true that Collison can’t make a pass when opponents slide to him.

In fact, Collison had the most stunning assist of the season to Degnon when there were three defenders draped over him and he made the pass over the shoulder with one hand.

These excuses are bullsh*t.

Crawley and PM prefer a risk-averse finesse (tulip) offense.

That’s fine except against aggressive, physical defenses like Michigan’s (or Notre Dame’s).

DocBarrister

[TimmyTimmyTurner]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

It’s not true that Collison can’t make a pass when opponents slide to him.

In fact, Collison had the most stunning assist of the season to Degnon when there were three defenders draped over him and he made the pass over the shoulder with one hand.

These excuses are bullsh*t.

Crawley and PM prefer a risk-averse finesse (tulip) offense.

That’s fine except against aggressive, physical defenses like Michigan’s (or Notre Dame’s).

DocBarrister

I agree that Michigan D is aggressive and physical, but not necessarily good…Lacrosse Reference has them ranked at 69th in terms of defensive efficiency.

[primitiveskills]

Guys there’s no sense in arguing over what a bunch of 18-22 (and one 25 year old) did or didn’t do, they’re doing the best they can. They just aren’t that good, but you can see they’re working hard.

Loved your work in Blood Pageant.

[DocBarrister]

Just way too many turnovers, mistakes, failed clears, bad decisions in 2Q and they never got any momentum back. Denver and Navy games all over again.

Offense really struggles in settled sixes. The motion offense is effective in generating "mismatches", but its only a mismatch if you have guys that can win the dodge and draw a slide. We don't have many of those guys. Losing English really hurt in that regard. If defenses don't ballwatch and lose track of Degnon, we have trouble. Not sure there's a magic solution at this point in the year.

We've been able to compensate by being close to perfect on clears and very hard to score on in sixes. Both of those fell apart for some reason today, especially in the second and third quarters.

Oh, well. On to the tournament. Seeding less critical this year vs most. Just need to avoid ND as long as possible.

The Michigan D VOLUNTARILY GAVE THE HOPKINS OFFENSE MISMATCHES. Peshko, Grimes, and Collison had SSDMs on them the entire game. Didn’t even have to “generate” those mismatches. They were handed to Hopkins on a platter.

Petro and Benson would have sold their souls to get matchups like that.

And what does Crawley and PM do with those mismatches? Pass the ball for little guys to dodge against longsticks or use the Big Guys to set picks.

DocBarrister

Again, unless those guys can beat the shortie and draw a slide, they are not mismatches. Tonight, they weren't mismatches. Peshko and Grimes dodged a bunch and never drew a slide. Collison beat his SSDM on the first possession of the game, got to the middle, and missed the shot. After that, Michigan completely took away the sweep and never slid off of Degnon, which really threw a wrench in the works. Maybe they could have gotten him some dodges from X, where he can be effective, but its not like there'sa lot of levers to pull.

Hopkins is not alone in having a shortage of guys who can make a defense move. Your friends in College Park, for instance, can commiserate. It's the reason that an "all-star" team like Duke can be held to 4 goals against a pedestrian Syracuse defense. Having multiple guys like that is what separates offenses like UVa, ND, and Cornell from the pack (a pack that unfortunately includes us).

Power dodges don’t require you beating the SSDM. In fact, Collison’s highlight reel dodges are those where the SSDM is draped all over him, a second (or even third) defender slides to him, and he still gets off his shot.

Collison is not Rabil or Harrison. He doesn’t have to blow by his defender to draw a slide. In fact, one shouldn’t expect him to. It’s high risk/high reward.

But he didn’t even really try tonight … and I am fairly certain that is a coaching choice.

Crawley and PM need to ramp up the aggression on O in a major way. That’s not going to happen with Angelus, Bauer, or Ayers leading the charge.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

It’s not true that Collison can’t make a pass when opponents slide to him.

In fact, Collison had the most stunning assist of the season to Degnon when there were three defenders draped over him and he made the pass over the shoulder with one hand.

These excuses are bullsh*t.

Crawley and PM prefer a risk-averse finesse (tulip) offense.

That’s fine except against aggressive, physical defenses like Michigan’s (or Notre Dame’s).

DocBarrister

I agree that Michigan D is aggressive and physical, but not necessarily good…Lacrosse Reference has them ranked at 69th in terms of defensive efficiency.

Which only shows how bad the Hopkins offense was.

DocBarrister

[primitiveskills]

Looks like Crawley has been advising Brian Phipps on how to get their best players not to dodge.

[StephenBaldwin]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

It’s not true that Collison can’t make a pass when opponents slide to him.

In fact, Collison had the most stunning assist of the season to Degnon when there were three defenders draped over him and he made the pass over the shoulder with one hand.

These excuses are bullsh*t.

Crawley and PM prefer a risk-averse finesse (tulip) offense.

That’s fine except against aggressive, physical defenses like Michigan’s (or Notre Dame’s).

DocBarrister

I agree that Michigan D is aggressive and physical, but not necessarily good…Lacrosse Reference has them ranked at 69th in terms of defensive efficiency.

Which only shows how bad the Hopkins offense was.

DocBarrister

Spot on Doc, I’m glad someone here is willing to face the music. Two straight weeks with 7 goals isn’t good.

[TimmyTimmyTurner]

You’re going to let Michigan neutralize your best middie just by putting their best SSDM on him? Force Pederson to prove he can stop Collison. MAKE PEDERSON PROVE IT.

He did? Do you close your eyes whenever Collison dodges?

It is also complete bullsh*t that Grimes is not that kind of dodger. He could be. He’s not just a finisher. The guy doesn’t have great speed, but sometimes aggression is more important.

No, it's not. He's a senior. He's not changing. If you're banking on a senior to suddenly become a different player, your ideas are far worse than the coach's.

You didn't address Peshko repeatedly dodging his man over and over and getting nowhere.

You just said they slid early to Collison. If that’s true, why didn’t he pass the ball and create offense? Seems like a pretty good way to get the offense moving. Or did you close your eyes whenever he dodges?

Because he's not very good at doing that. They've been trying to get him to do that more for two years

How are you not embarrassed that you spend your Thursday nights trolling a forum with what appears to be one of multiple burner accounts? This is really what you life has come to? This?

If he’s not good at passing the ball when they slide EARLY and can’t fix it for two years that tells me that maybe he shouldn’t be on the field. No need for the personal attacks - just trying to engage in some conversation. Sorry you got offended

It’s not true that Collison can’t make a pass when opponents slide to him.

In fact, Collison had the most stunning assist of the season to Degnon when there were three defenders draped over him and he made the pass over the shoulder with one hand.

These excuses are bullsh*t.

Crawley and PM prefer a risk-averse finesse (tulip) offense.

That’s fine except against aggressive, physical defenses like Michigan’s (or Notre Dame’s).

DocBarrister

I agree that Michigan D is aggressive and physical, but not necessarily good…Lacrosse Reference has them ranked at 69th in terms of defensive efficiency.

Which only shows how bad the Hopkins offense was.

DocBarrister

Yes agreed 100%

[coda]

Just way too many turnovers, mistakes, failed clears, bad decisions in 2Q and they never got any momentum back. Denver and Navy games all over again.

Offense really struggles in settled sixes. The motion offense is effective in generating "mismatches", but its only a mismatch if you have guys that can win the dodge and draw a slide. We don't have many of those guys. Losing English really hurt in that regard. If defenses don't ballwatch and lose track of Degnon, we have trouble. Not sure there's a magic solution at this point in the year.

We've been able to compensate by being close to perfect on clears and very hard to score on in sixes. Both of those fell apart for some reason today, especially in the second and third quarters.

Oh, well. On to the tournament. Seeding less critical this year vs most. Just need to avoid ND as long as possible.

The Michigan D VOLUNTARILY GAVE THE HOPKINS OFFENSE MISMATCHES. Peshko, Grimes, and Collison had SSDMs on them the entire game. Didn’t even have to “generate” those mismatches. They were handed to Hopkins on a platter.

Petro and Benson would have sold their souls to get matchups like that.

And what does Crawley and PM do with those mismatches? Pass the ball for little guys to dodge against longsticks or use the Big Guys to set picks.

DocBarrister

Again, unless those guys can beat the shortie and draw a slide, they are not mismatches. Tonight, they weren't mismatches. Peshko and Grimes dodged a bunch and never drew a slide. Collison beat his SSDM on the first possession of the game, got to the middle, and missed the shot. After that, Michigan completely took away the sweep and never slid off of Degnon, which really threw a wrench in the works. Maybe they could have gotten him some dodges from X, where he can be effective, but its not like there'sa lot of levers to pull.

Hopkins is not alone in having a shortage of guys who can make a defense move. Your friends in College Park, for instance, can commiserate. It's the reason that an "all-star" team like Duke can be held to 4 goals against a pedestrian Syracuse defense. Having multiple guys like that is what separates offenses like UVa, ND, and Cornell from the pack (a pack that unfortunately includes us).

Power dodges don’t require you beating the SSDM. In fact, Collison’s highlight reel dodges are those where the SSDM is draped all over him, a second (or even third) defender slides to him, and he still gets off his shot.

Collison is not Rabil or Harrison. He doesn’t have to blow by his defender to draw a slide. In fact, one shouldn’t expect him to. It’s high risk/high reward.

But he didn’t even really try tonight … and I am fairly certain that is a coaching choice.

Crawley and PM need to ramp up the aggression on O in a major way. That’s not going to happen with Angelus, Bauer, or Ayers leading the charge.

DocBarrister

Not saying you are wrong, but Pederson is about as a bad of a SSDM match- up for Collison. Pederson is the better athlete. He is also one of the strongest SSDM in the country.

Much better to attack Michigan with the 2 man game, especially from down low. Picks have been an issue all year for the Michigan defense. Michigan is big and athletic on defense. They have not been smart or disciplined

[primitiveskills]

The Baldwin Brothers/ Doc love-fest is exactly what this thread needed.

[DocBarrister]

The Baldwin Brothers/ Doc love-fest is exactly what this thread needed.

I think Alec was reckless, but he should not have been criminally charged.

DocBarrister

[StephenBaldwin]

The Baldwin Brothers/ Doc love-fest is exactly what this thread needed.

I think Alec was reckless, but he should not have been criminally charged.

DocBarrister

If you think he was reckless there, you shouldve seen him on the ride for the Massapequa Mud Dogs.