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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:25 pm It's not just the generals affected my man, it goes down the ladder. And we're talking about UNFILLED positions with acting leaders who don't have as much authority to do the jobs they need to do. Leaving us in a more vulnerable situation than we need to be in.

And LMAO you really think Schroeder was personally responsible for holding up hundreds of promotions? Gonna ignore the Republicans on that committee who were all for the flagging? :lol:

On an apples to oranges comparison anyway. They weren't refusing to fill certain specific, needed positions. And man, that was a good bit of sexual assault and harassment that happened. Probably better to ignore it than do a less than perfect job of cleaning it up. Sure it could have been handled a bit better. Most especially on the Navy's side of things.
Who cares? Let them ruin the military for sport. If they don't care, I sure as sh(t don't.

This is how we've always treated our military-----political props. Watch how fast these same ***holes wrap themselves in the flag, and proclaim how awesome our vets and active soldiers are. Then when it come time to give troops and their family wages that don't make SNAP bennies kick in, or to make sure they get world class health and mental care? All these Republicans are MIA.
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a fan wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:39 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:25 pm It's not just the generals affected my man, it goes down the ladder. And we're talking about UNFILLED positions with acting leaders who don't have as much authority to do the jobs they need to do. Leaving us in a more vulnerable situation than we need to be in.

And LMAO you really think Schroeder was personally responsible for holding up hundreds of promotions? Gonna ignore the Republicans on that committee who were all for the flagging? :lol:

On an apples to oranges comparison anyway. They weren't refusing to fill certain specific, needed positions. And man, that was a good bit of sexual assault and harassment that happened. Probably better to ignore it than do a less than perfect job of cleaning it up. Sure it could have been handled a bit better. Most especially on the Navy's side of things.
Who cares? Let them ruin the military for sport. If they don't care, I sure as sh(t don't.

This is how we've always treated our military-----political props. Watch how fast these same ***holes wrap themselves in the flag, and proclaim how awesome our vets and active soldiers are. Then when it come time to give troops and their family wages that don't make SNAP bennies kick in, or to make sure they get world class health and mental care? All these Republicans are MIA.
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The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
Or will this bring about public endorsement of autonomous killbots?

Why send your youth when you can send a Reaper incorporating Ellie’s Full Self-Killing mode?

Naturally, our rivals will make the same decision…
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:07 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:55 am Marines are asking the public for help in recovering a missing F-35 stealth jet in SC. The pilot ejected and landed near Charleston SC. The jet's transponder also malfunctioned near the time of the ejection further complicating recovery efforts

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... lot-ejects

The aircraft, that cost over $140 million apiece apparently don't have a black box beacon that is standard on all commercial aircraft.
Beat me to it.....crazy that the location Service is also down. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/f- ... rcna105534
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The F-35 is a very expensive aircraft. Apparently that stealth technology works pretty damn good even when the fighter crashes.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
IS it still ok to ask , if it IS only "biological" boys that have to sign up when they turn 18 ? You had to go to the US Post office. "selective service"......it still IS a thing, yes ? Point being, .....EVERY single human has to sign up for the draft. NO exceptions.

The military has wasted their time marketing "special OPs"......glamorizing it and making "celebraties" outta hired assisins.

I have met so many former military allied health, Docs, NP's, etc......but, NO....don't sell that. Sell BS liar "SNIPER" guy (sure you took "looters" out during Katrian Chris, sure you did, etc. )

The computer skills learned...oh boy.

How about helicopter mechanic. Sure, shooting a ma deuce out of a Heli IS loads of fun........not to many jobs requiring a machine gunner.

THe marketing Major General, even said so himself.....kids don't wanna die. So.....duh.....sell the 90% of military jobs that DON't involve, directly, killing fellow human beings.

Like the job Hunter Biden had for a few months. Crack cocaine was, IS, his true love. Poor Beau, he had the same non killing job, that Hunter had for a brief moment (can Hunty still put "US Navy" on his political resume. Hey.....RFK jr. is a recovered druggie.....Imagine how ripped and "experienced" sobor Hunty will be when he IS RFK jr.s age.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:51 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
Or will this bring about public endorsement of autonomous killbots?

Why send your youth when you can send a Reaper incorporating Ellie’s Full Self-Killing mode?

Naturally, our rivals will make the same decision…
Will AI be smarter enough to care?

think about it.......
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runrussellrun wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:12 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:51 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
Or will this bring about public endorsement of autonomous killbots?

Why send your youth when you can send a Reaper incorporating Ellie’s Full Self-Killing mode?

Naturally, our rivals will make the same decision…
Will AI be smarter enough to care?

think about it.......
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lagerhead wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:31 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:12 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:51 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:10 pm The US Army War College fall quarterly states the US Military is lacking. Is conscription coming back? What does a "reconceptualization" of conscription look like?
the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.16
Link:
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/vi ... parameters
Or will this bring about public endorsement of autonomous killbots?

Why send your youth when you can send a Reaper incorporating Ellie’s Full Self-Killing mode?

Naturally, our rivals will make the same decision…
Will AI be smarter enough to care?

think about it.......
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The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
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old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
Are you sure of that? Can't find more Flynns?
Not that many nut jobs in the military?

Apparently there's a Trump support group working very hard right now looking to figure out who will be "loyal" to Trump (rather than the Constitution) for other roles, why not the military?

To be clear, I don't think that's what Tuberville is doing but I don't think we should have any illusions about what a Trump Unbound election would mean in every part of government. And that includes the military.

Trump was furious about the pushback he received when push came to shove and Milley rebuked efforts to have the military be used either as a partisan prop or as a partisan domestic suppression force violating the Constitution. You don't talk about executing an officer like Milley and then hire people with Milley's judgment and cojones next time.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:16 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
Are you sure of that? Can't find more Flynns?
Not that many nut jobs in the military?

Apparently there's a Trump support group working very hard right now looking to figure out who will be "loyal" to Trump (rather than the Constitution) for other roles, why not the military?

To be clear, I don't think that's what Tuberville is doing but I don't think we should have any illusions about what a Trump Unbound election would mean in every part of government. And that includes the military.

Trump was furious about the pushback he received when push came to shove and Milley rebuked efforts to have the military be used either as a partisan prop or as a partisan domestic suppression force violating the Constitution. You don't talk about executing an officer like Milley and then hire people with Milley's judgment and cojones next time.
You have no clue about how the military promotion selection process works.
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old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:16 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
Are you sure of that? Can't find more Flynns?
Not that many nut jobs in the military?

Apparently there's a Trump support group working very hard right now looking to figure out who will be "loyal" to Trump (rather than the Constitution) for other roles, why not the military?

To be clear, I don't think that's what Tuberville is doing but I don't think we should have any illusions about what a Trump Unbound election would mean in every part of government. And that includes the military.

Trump was furious about the pushback he received when push came to shove and Milley rebuked efforts to have the military be used either as a partisan prop or as a partisan domestic suppression force violating the Constitution. You don't talk about executing an officer like Milley and then hire people with Milley's judgment and cojones next time.
You have no clue about how the military promotion selection process works.
I don't ????
How the F would you know what I know? :roll:

I'm saying that whatever process you and I and anyone else on here would WANT to have happen in the process of putting people in positions of authority in ANY part of the government could easily be tossed aside in a Trump Unbound MAGA Unbound world. They've already talked about 'slitting throats' of civil servants, firing civil servants totally against the rules of service, they've already talked about putting political foes "in Guantanamo", advocated trials for "treason", and they've already been talking about gutting DOJ/FBI replacing career personnel with partisan hacks...against the rules and traditions.

so, why would the military be immune?

Again, this is totally against all prior processes, traditions, protocols...that's the point of Trump Unbound. MAGA Unbound.

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:28 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:16 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
Are you sure of that? Can't find more Flynns?
Not that many nut jobs in the military?

Apparently there's a Trump support group working very hard right now looking to figure out who will be "loyal" to Trump (rather than the Constitution) for other roles, why not the military?

To be clear, I don't think that's what Tuberville is doing but I don't think we should have any illusions about what a Trump Unbound election would mean in every part of government. And that includes the military.

Trump was furious about the pushback he received when push came to shove and Milley rebuked efforts to have the military be used either as a partisan prop or as a partisan domestic suppression force violating the Constitution. You don't talk about executing an officer like Milley and then hire people with Milley's judgment and cojones next time.
You have no clue about how the military promotion selection process works.
I don't ????
How the F would you know what I know? :roll:

I'm saying that whatever process you and I and anyone else on here would WANT to have happen in the process of putting people in positions of authority in ANY part of the government could easily be tossed aside in a Trump Unbound MAGA Unbound world. They've already talked about 'slitting throats' of civil servants, firing civil servants totally against the rules of service, they've already talked about putting political foes "in Guantanamo", advocated trials for "treason", and they've already been talking about gutting DOJ/FBI replacing career personnel with partisan hacks...against the rules and traditions.

so, why would the military be immune?

Again, this is totally against all prior processes, traditions, protocols...that's the point of Trump Unbound. MAGA Unbound.

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Not a EZ as you imagine. The process is governed by law. POTUS does not select. He approves or disapproves of the selectees sent to him, customarily by list, in total.
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old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
There are Trumpier officers.

Which means a list exists. Get your head out of the sand.

If anything goes through congress or the president, its up for manipulation. Especially now, especially by trumpists.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:46 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:42 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:12 pm The Chief of the Marines Was Hospitalized Without a Number Two in Command

So is Tuberville trying to McConnell/Garland this through the next election so R's can push through Trumper officers?
There is no list of Trumpier officers.
There are Trumpier officers.

Which means a list exists. Get your head out of the sand.

If anything goes through congress or the president, its up for manipulation. Especially now, especially by trumpists.
The promotion list comes from a selection panel of officers who review & brief records & score each officer in the promotion zone, based on seniority since last promotion. They are voted on by the panel, rank ordered by score & placed on a list to fill the number of vacant billets to be filled. The entire list is the sent to POTUS via the Chain-of-Command. If a POTUS were to add or subtract from the list, you'd hear about it.
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