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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:54 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:24 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:19 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:53 am
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old salt wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:09 am
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a fan wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:47 pm
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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:39 pm You don't get it. They're all BS. This 14th Amendment deal is as nutty as Trump's election fraud cases which are as crazy as the NY, GA, DC & FL cases against Trump.

You tell us that every single time that mutliple Republicans cop to multiple guilty pleas.

If these felony convictions and loss of their ability to practice law for 5 years was just another day at the office....why didn't you surrender your pilot's license at the peak of your career for five years, just for fun?

Oh, and then try and get Government contracting work with a felony on your record.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Again. I did not defend any of the election fraud cases.
Your analogy to my pilots license is just bizarre.
? you JUST defended the election fraud cases. Right now. Like five minutes ago. You telling me that you can't even keep up with your own claims in your posts?

Those election fraud cases you mocked have yielded multiple guilty pleas, with lawyers losing the ability to practice law for five years, with a felony record, to boot. And we're not done yet.
This thread. In our current conversation. In a claim that YOU JUST MADE about, and I quote "Trump's election fraud cases"...which you call nutty and crazy.
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:39 pm You don't get it. They're all BS. This 14th Amendment deal is as nutty as Trump's election fraud cases which are as crazy as the NY, GA, DC & FL cases against Trump.
OK, so you went back & altered my words in my last post.
Like I said, I had no idea what you're talking about, since I just said I did not defend any of the election fraud cases, which you also quoted.
I'm saying that the election fraud cases that Trump pursued were BS, nutty & crazy,
I was "mocking" (your word) the cases which Trump brought.
That's a criticism of Trump. Like I said -- I gave up on Trump the day after the election.
As I said above. I did not defend any of the election fraud cases.
I was referring to the election fraud cases that Trump brought.
Apparently you were referring to the GA RICO cases which elicited the guilty pleas from Trump's lawyers.
Try to calm down & read objectively before going off the deep end.
Those cases in red are nutty and crazy?
Please identify exactly which cases you mean.
He’s just saying words to no end. There’s no value, logic or consign envy in it. Just words. I wouldn’t read too much into an uninformed person who thinks of themselves as an expert on everything. Someone who doesn’t ask questions and has clearly lost any sense of intellectual curiosity. It’s just of zero value.
I agree. Trump has already lost (essentially) the civil case in NYC (which will tear apart his so-called business empire). Trump will almost certainly be convicted on some or all of the criminal charges pending in GA, DC, and FL. The only thing “crazy” about those cases is thinking they are crazy.

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Or that Clemson would be out of the acc by now and control their destiny. ;).
Thinking the ACC will remain intact … now THAT is crazy.

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I never saw anyone make that claim. You may present that as a handy alternative but there’s an entire spectrum of outcomes in between the binary outcomes. Binary thinking is, in fact, a recognized cognitive distortion and in fact on the path to insanity. There is such a thing as mutually beneficial transactions where it’s not always one “winning” I’ve seen it in some of the same worlds you traffic in.

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Damnit man: US military aircraft crashes in Mediterranean; injuries unknown

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-air ... s-unknown/
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Number of troops injured in drone attacks jumps to 56:

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-mil ... mps-to-56/
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Centcom: Today, in response to continued provocations by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and their affiliated groups in Iraq and Syria, U.S. Central Command (USCENTOM) conducted air strikes against facilities near the cities of Abu Kamal and Mayadin,” said General Michael Erik Kurilla, USCENTCOM Commander. “The United States will continue to defend itself, its personnel, and its interests.”


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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:11 am Damnit man: US military aircraft crashes in Mediterranean; injuries unknown

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-air ... s-unknown/
It was a US Army Blackhawk, flying out of Cyprus, doing a night, overwater, in flight refueling. A challenging maneuver.
It was the 160th Special Forces Aviation Regiment -- the Nightstalkers -- they are the elite unit that flys the "black" helicopters that insert & protect Delta Force, Navy SEALs, & the Ranger Regiment that protects them. I believe it was a training mission because there were only the 5 aircrew members onboard. Probably preparing for the contingency of evac from Israel all the way to Cyprus.

The Nightstalkers were the unit in Blackhawk Down in Somalia & in the raid into Pakistan that got OBL.
The 2 pilots were commissioned Army officers who resigned their commissions & accepted lower ranks as Warrant Officers so they could keep flying with the Nightstalkers. They were highly decorated combat veterans. Their Aircrewmen are also the best of the best. RIP.

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old salt wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:23 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:11 am Damnit man: US military aircraft crashes in Mediterranean; injuries unknown

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-air ... s-unknown/
It was a US Army Blackhawk, flying out of Cyprus, doing a night, overwater, in flight refueling. A challenging maneuver.
It was the 160th Special Forces Aviation Regiment -- the Nightstalkers -- they are the elite unit that flys the "black" helicopters that insert & protect Delta Force, Navy SEALs, & the Ranger Regiment that protects them. I believe it was a training mission because there were only the 5 aircrew members onboard. Probably preparing for the contingency of evac from Israel all the way to Cyprus.

The Nightstalkers were the unit in Blackhawk Down in Somalia & in the raid into Pakistan that got OBL.
The 2 pilots were commissioned Army officers who resigned their commissions & accepted lower ranks as Warrant Officers so they could keep flying with the Nightstalkers. They were highly decorated combat veterans. Their Aircrewmen are also the best of the best. RIP.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/160th-c ... dentified/
Thanks, they had not announced those details at the time of my posting. We seem to lose some of our best during workups.
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The US Army is having a hard time recruiting. Now it's asking soldiers dismissed for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine


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The United States army is having such a difficult time recruiting that it's sending instructions on how to rejoin to soldiers kicked out for refusing to take the COVID-19 vaccine.The Army sent the letters to approximately 1,900 active duty soldiers who were separated for refusing to take the COVID-19 vaccine, according to military blog Task and Purpose. An army spokesperson told the outlet that the letters were sent "specifically as part of the COVID mandate recession process."

A January 2023 Department of Defense memo rescinded the military rules that required service members get the COVID vaccine, which were put in place in August and November 2021. The memo said that no one serving in the armed forces will be separated for refusing to take the vaccine if they seek a religious, administrative, or medical accommodation.

Still, the department continues to "promote and encourage" the vaccine for all service members, the memo states. The letter, which has been circulated on social media, says that former soldiers who were separated for refusing to take the vaccine can request a correction of their military record. It instructs those who wish to rejoin the service to contact a recruiter.

The new outreach to these soldiers comes amid a recruiting crisis for the United States military. In 2022, the US Army fell short by about 15,000 soldiers, or 25%, according to Army Times.



Uncle Sam is another "hell of a jam" because it is unable to recruit enough people. Hmmm ~ perhaps the headlines are discouraging people from signing up. It would be very interesting to know why.
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And, here we go. Going to be some unimaginably fcuked up shite coming.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/us/p ... r-law.html

"It seems like something out of science fiction: swarms of killer robots that hunt down targets on their own and are capable of flying in for the kill without any human signing off.

But it is approaching reality as the United States, China and a handful of other nations make rapid progress in developing and deploying new technology that has the potential to reshape the nature of warfare by turning life and death decisions over to autonomous drones equipped with artificial intelligence programs.

That prospect is so worrying to many other governments that they are trying to focus attention on it with proposals at the United Nations to impose legally binding rules on the use of what militaries call lethal autonomous weapons.

“This is really one of the most significant inflection points for humanity,” Alexander Kmentt, Austria’s chief negotiator on the issue, said in an interview. “What’s the role of human beings in the use of force — it’s an absolutely fundamental security issue, a legal issue and an ethical issue.

But while the U.N. is providing a platform for governments to express their concerns, the process seems unlikely to yield substantive new legally binding restrictions. The United States, Russia, Australia, Israel and others have all argued that no new international law is needed for now, while China wants to define any legal limit so narrowly that it would have little practical effect, arms control advocates say.

The result has been to tie the debate up in a procedural knot with little chance of progress on a legally binding mandate anytime soon.

“We do not see that it is really the right time,” Konstantin Vorontsov, the deputy head of the Russian delegation to the United Nations, told diplomats who were packed into a basement conference room recently at the U.N. headquarters in New York.

The debate over the risks of artificial intelligence has drawn new attention in recent days with the battle over control of OpenAI, perhaps the world’s leading A.I. company, whose leaders appeared split over whether the firm is taking sufficient account over the dangers of the technology. And last week, officials from China and the United States discussed a related issue: potential limits on the use of A.I. in decisions about deploying nuclear weapons.

Against that backdrop, the question of what limits should be placed on the use of lethal autonomous weapons has taken on new urgency, and for now has come down to whether it is enough for the U.N. simply to adopt nonbinding guidelines, the position supported by the United States.

“The word ‘must’ will be very difficult for our delegation to accept,” Joshua Dorosin, the chief international agreements officer at the State Department, told other negotiators during a debate in May over the language of proposed restrictions.

Mr. Dorosin and members of the U.S. delegation, which includes a representative from the Pentagon, have argued that instead of a new international law, the U.N. should clarify that existing international human rights laws already prohibit nations from using weapons that target civilians or cause a disproportionate amount of harm to them.

But the position being taken by the major powers has only increased the anxiety among smaller nations, who say they are worried that lethal autonomous weapons might become common on the battlefield before there is any agreement on rules for their use.

“Complacency does not seem to be an option anymore,” Ambassador Khalil Hashmi of Pakistan said during a meeting at U.N. headquarters. “The window of opportunity to act is rapidly diminishing as we prepare for a technological breakout.”

Rapid advances in artificial intelligence and the intense use of drones in conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East have combined to make the issue that much more urgent. So far, drones generally rely on human operators to carry out lethal missions, but software is being developed that soon will allow them to find and select targets more on their own.

The intense jamming of radio communications and GPS in Ukraine has only accelerated the shift, as autonomous drones can often keep operating even when communications are cut off.

“This isn’t the plot of a dystopian novel, but a looming reality,” Gaston Browne, the prime minister of Antigua and Barbuda, told officials at a recent U.N. meeting.

Pentagon officials have made it clear that they are preparing to deploy autonomous weapons in a big way.

Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks announced this summer that the U.S. military would “field attritable, autonomous systems at scale of multiple thousands” in the coming two years, saying that the push to compete with China’s own investment in advanced weapons necessitated that the United States “leverage platforms that are small, smart, cheap and many.”

The concept of an autonomous weapon is not entirely new. Land mines — which detonate automatically — have been used since the Civil War. The United States has missile systems that rely on radar sensors to autonomously lock on to and hit targets.

What is changing is the introduction of artificial intelligence that could give weapons systems the capability to make decisions themselves after taking in and processing information.

The United States has already adopted voluntary policies that set limits on how artificial intelligence and lethal autonomous weapons will be used, including a Pentagon policy revised this year called “Autonomy in Weapons Systems” and a related State Department “Political Declaration on Responsible Use of Artificial Intelligence and Autonomy,” which it has urged other nations to embrace.

The American policy statements “will enable nations to harness the potential benefits of A.I. systems in the military domain while encouraging steps that avoid irresponsible, destabilizing, and reckless behavior,” said Bonnie Denise Jenkins, a State Department under secretary.

The Pentagon policy prohibits the use of any new autonomous weapon or even the development of them unless they have been approved by top Defense Department officials. Such weapons must be operated in a defined geographic area for limited periods. And if the weapons are controlled by A.I., military personnel must retain “the ability to disengage or deactivate deployed systems that demonstrate unintended behavior.”

At least initially, human approval will be needed before lethal action is taken, Air Force generals said in interviews.

But Frank Kendall, the Air Force secretary, said in a separate interview that these machines will eventually need to have the power to take lethal action on their own, while remaining under human oversight in how they are deployed.

“Individual decisions versus not doing individual decisions is the difference between winning and losing — and you’re not going to lose,” he said. He added, “I don’t think people we would be up against would do that, and it would give them a huge advantage if we put that limitation on ourselves.”

Thomas X. Hammes, a retired Marine officer who is now a research fellow at the Pentagon’s National Defense University, said in an interview and a recent essay published by the Atlantic Council that it is a “moral imperative that the United States and other democratic nations” build and use autonomous weapons.

He argued that “failing to do so in a major conventional conflict will result in many deaths, both military and civilian, and potentially the loss of the conflict.”

Some arms control advocates and diplomats disagree, arguing that A.I.-controlled lethal weapons that do not have humans authorizing individual strikes will transform the nature of warfighting by eliminating the direct moral role that humans play in decisions about taking a life.

These A.I. weapons will sometimes act in unpredictable ways, and they are likely to make mistakes in identifying targets, like driverless cars that have accidents, these critics say.

The new weapons may also make the use of lethal force more likely during wartime, since the military launching them would not be immediately putting its own soldiers at risk, or they could lead to faster escalation, the opponents have argued.

Arms control groups like the International Committee of the Red Cross and Stop Killer Robots, along with national delegations including Austria, Argentina, New Zealand, Switzerland and Costa Rica, have proposed a variety of limits.

Some would seek to globally ban lethal autonomous weapons that explicitly target humans. Others would require that these weapons remain under “meaningful human control,” and that they must be used in limited areas for specific amounts of time.

Mr. Kmentt, the Austrian diplomat, conceded in an interview that the U.N. has had trouble enforcing existing treaties that set limits on how wars can be waged. But there is still a need to create a new legally binding standard, he said.

“Just because someone will always commit murder, that doesn’t mean that you don’t need legislation to prohibit it,” he said. “What we have at the moment is this whole field is completely unregulated.”

But Mr. Dorosin has repeatedly objected to proposed requirements that the United States considers too ambiguous or is unwilling to accept, such as calling for weapons to be under “meaningful human control.”

The U.S. delegation’s preferred language is “within a responsible human chain of command.”

He said it is important to the United States that the negotiators “avoid vague, overarching terminology.”

“We understand that for many delegations the priority is human control,” said Konstantin Vorontsov of Russia. “For the Russian federation, the priorities are somewhat different.”
“We understand that for many delegations the priority is human control,” said Konstantin Vorontsov of Russia. “For the Russian federation, the priorities are somewhat different.”Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times

Mr. Vorontsov, the Russian diplomat, took the floor after Mr. Dorosin during one of the debates and endorsed the position taken by the United States.

“We understand that for many delegations the priority is human control,” Mr. Vorontsov said. “For the Russian Federation, the priorities are somewhat different.”

The United States, China and Russia have also argued that artificial intelligence and autonomous weapons might bring benefits by reducing civilian casualties and unnecessary physical damage.

“Smart weapons that use computers and autonomous functions to deploy force more precisely and efficiently have been shown to reduce risks of harm to civilians and civilian objects,” the U.S. delegation has argued.

Mr. Kmentt in early November won broad support for a revised plan that asked the U.N. secretary general’s office to assemble a report on lethal autonomous weapons, but it made clear that in deference to the major powers the detailed deliberations on the matter would remain with a U.N. committee in Geneva, where any single nation can effectively block progress or force language to be watered down.

Last week, the Geneva-based committee agreed at the urging of Russia and other major powers to give itself until the end of 2025 to keep studying the topic, one diplomat who participated in the debate said.

“If we wait too long, we are really going to regret it,” Mr. Kmentt said. “As soon enough, it will be cheap, easily available, and it will be everywhere. And people are going to be asking: Why didn’t we act fast enough to try to put limits on it when we had a chance to?”

Sweet baby kernel corn. This should be extra special. Swarms are going to make today's mass shootings look like nothing.

"The U.S. delegation’s preferred language is “within a responsible human chain of command.”
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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Yet another Osprey accident - off the coast of Japan one confirmed dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a- ... r-AA1kISDq

Second one this year after two fatal crashes last year.
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Kismet wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:40 am Yet another Osprey accident - off the coast of Japan one confirmed dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a- ... r-AA1kISDq

Second one this year after two fatal crashes last year.
The tilt rotor concept while as promising as it has always been, is prone to catastrophic failure on a regular basis. Way past time for the Osprey to be be retired to the vineyard.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:53 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:40 am Yet another Osprey accident - off the coast of Japan one confirmed dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a- ... r-AA1kISDq

Second one this year after two fatal crashes last year.
The tilt rotor concept while as promising as it has always been, is prone to catastrophic failure on a regular basis. Way past time for the Osprey to be be retired to the vineyard.
Boneyard in the desert?
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PizzaSnake wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:35 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:53 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:40 am Yet another Osprey accident - off the coast of Japan one confirmed dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a- ... r-AA1kISDq

Second one this year after two fatal crashes last year.
The tilt rotor concept while as promising as it has always been, is prone to catastrophic failure on a regular basis. Way past time for the Osprey to be be retired to the vineyard.
Boneyard in the desert?
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what could possibly go wrong, right?

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What the heck is going on in the US Navy? Especially among destroyer commanders and sub commanders they are being fired at an alarming pace. I wonder if they are all graduates of the Capt. Queeg academy of leadership. Maybe they can't keep the strawberries under lock and key. If they are unqualified to command these vessels how did they get promoted in the first place? It is legitimate to question the Navys vetting process .
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Another navy sub commander gets thrown under the bus. The skipper of the USS Ohio has lost confidence of his superiors to lead. No details given. I'm hoping Old Salt chimes in on this. Did he drive his sub up onto a beach someplace and nobody noticed?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:58 am Another navy sub commander gets thrown under the bus. The skipper of the USS Ohio has lost confidence of his superiors to lead. No details given. I'm hoping Old Salt chimes in on this. Did he drive his sub up onto a beach someplace and nobody noticed?
The Navy is a little careful with the crew of boomer boats, as they should be.

Who know? Bad debt (blackmail), adultery (blackmail) or any behavior that brings into question the CO’s fitness.

As far as the keepers of the Triad, the Scare Force, riven with Christo-fundamentalists, alarms me the most.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:28 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:58 am Another navy sub commander gets thrown under the bus. The skipper of the USS Ohio has lost confidence of his superiors to lead. No details given. I'm hoping Old Salt chimes in on this. Did he drive his sub up onto a beach someplace and nobody noticed?
The Navy is a little careful with the crew of boomer boats, as they should be.

Who know? Bad debt (blackmail), adultery (blackmail) or any behavior that brings into question the CO’s fitness.

As far as the keepers of the Triad, the Scare Force, riven with Christo-fundamentalists, alarms me the most.
The navy does not go into detail to define how they " lost confidence" in these commanding officers. These officers did not enjoy a lot of time in these commands. Why didn't the Navy vett them before being given command,?? Something just seems very odd about this.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:37 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:28 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2024 7:58 am Another navy sub commander gets thrown under the bus. The skipper of the USS Ohio has lost confidence of his superiors to lead. No details given. I'm hoping Old Salt chimes in on this. Did he drive his sub up onto a beach someplace and nobody noticed?
The Navy is a little careful with the crew of boomer boats, as they should be.

Who know? Bad debt (blackmail), adultery (blackmail) or any behavior that brings into question the CO’s fitness.

As far as the keepers of the Triad, the Scare Force, riven with Christo-fundamentalists, alarms me the most.
The navy does not go into detail to define how they " lost confidence" in these commanding officers. These officers did not enjoy a lot of time in these commands. Why didn't the Navy vett them before being given command,?? Something just seems very odd about this.
They had confidence. He commanded a few other subs prior.

Then they lost that confidence and removed him.
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