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Crease Crank wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:21 pm Pretty simple analysis,
B1G = team lacrosse and tough tough defense
Ivy = strong youth contingent
ACC = hero ball, no chemistry and over rated teams

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:32 pm

Crease Crank wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:21 pm Pretty simple analysis,
B1G = team lacrosse and tough tough defense
Ivy = strong youth contingent
ACC = hero ball, no chemistry and over rated teams

Wow. Start ducking when the arrows fly.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

lowandaway wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:43 pm I understand the original post. Its more than a bit myopic, but understandable if you just started following lacrosse 3 months ago.

Crease Crank wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:21 pm Pretty simple analysis,
B1G = team lacrosse and tough tough defense

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:09 pm Aggressive post but it's not wrong. The B1G/Ivy clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Ivy league teams seem to play a varied brand of ball. Run and gun Princeton and Brown play much differently than more defensive oriented slower place Penn for example.


Maryland and Rutgers are starting to meld styles. Rutgers slowed it down a little bit and is comfortable in half court sets. Maryland has sped it up. And is clearly comfortable in settled situation. Though the other teams play a bit differently, it it's not drastic like you see in the Ivy. Defense is at a premium.

The Acc seems all about individual play. The lack of ball movement you see from a number of those teams is noticeable. Not right or wrong but relying on individual brilliance seems like an antiquated way to try and win games.

Watching the Maryland/Uva game, it was stark. Moore and Shellenberger, incredible players, can't win games on their own talents. I believe they were kept to 1 goal between them. Maryland has incredible player but what makes them even more incredible is how they share the ball. You don't see that type of play nearly as much on Acc teams as you do on others.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:17 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:09 pm Aggressive post but it's not wrong. The B1G/Ivy clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Ivy league teams seem to play a varied brand of ball. Run and gun Princeton and Brown play much differently than more defensive oriented slower place Penn for example.


Maryland and Rutgers are starting to meld styles. Rutgers slowed it down a little bit and is comfortable in half court sets. Maryland has sped it up. And is clearly comfortable in settled situation. Though the other teams play a bit differently, it it's not drastic like you see in the Ivy. Defense is at a premium.

The Acc seems all about individual play. The lack of ball movement you see from a number of those teams is noticeable. Not right or wrong but relying on individual brilliance seems like an antiquated way to try and win games.

Watching the Maryland/Uva game, it was stark. Moore and Shellenberger, incredible players, can't win games on their own talents. I believe they were kept to 1 goal between them. Maryland has incredible player but what makes them even more incredible is how they share the ball. You don't see that type of play nearly as much on Acc teams as you do on others.

Does last year count in this analysis?

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:39 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:17 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:09 pm Aggressive post but it's not wrong. The B1G/Ivy clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Ivy league teams seem to play a varied brand of ball. Run and gun Princeton and Brown play much differently than more defensive oriented slower place Penn for example.


Maryland and Rutgers are starting to meld styles. Rutgers slowed it down a little bit and is comfortable in half court sets. Maryland has sped it up. And is clearly comfortable in settled situation. Though the other teams play a bit differently, it it's not drastic like you see in the Ivy. Defense is at a premium.

The Acc seems all about individual play. The lack of ball movement you see from a number of those teams is noticeable. Not right or wrong but relying on individual brilliance seems like an antiquated way to try and win games.

Watching the Maryland/Uva game, it was stark. Moore and Shellenberger, incredible players, can't win games on their own talents. I believe they were kept to 1 goal between them. Maryland has incredible player but what makes them even more incredible is how they share the ball. You don't see that type of play nearly as much on Acc teams as you do on others.

Does last year count in this analysis?

Every season is different. You can argue the "hero ball" as the original poster described it has worked in the past, though you might get some pushback on the Uva squad with Steele Stanwick that won.

Hero ball can be effective but not when the other team has comparable talent and better team play. I think that's what we are starting to see fully take form in current day lacrosse. It's just a better way to play and with modern equipment and the skill of the players, its easier to play that way than ever before in my opinion. But to the OP's point, we are seeing conference style differences. It's up to the viewer to determine what is best, but no one can argue with what Maryland is doing and the manner in which they are doing it with.

MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:42 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:39 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:17 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:09 pm Aggressive post but it's not wrong. The B1G/Ivy clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Ivy league teams seem to play a varied brand of ball. Run and gun Princeton and Brown play much differently than more defensive oriented slower place Penn for example.


Maryland and Rutgers are starting to meld styles. Rutgers slowed it down a little bit and is comfortable in half court sets. Maryland has sped it up. And is clearly comfortable in settled situation. Though the other teams play a bit differently, it it's not drastic like you see in the Ivy. Defense is at a premium.

The Acc seems all about individual play. The lack of ball movement you see from a number of those teams is noticeable. Not right or wrong but relying on individual brilliance seems like an antiquated way to try and win games.

Watching the Maryland/Uva game, it was stark. Moore and Shellenberger, incredible players, can't win games on their own talents. I believe they were kept to 1 goal between them. Maryland has incredible player but what makes them even more incredible is how they share the ball. You don't see that type of play nearly as much on Acc teams as you do on others.

Does last year count in this analysis?

Every season is different. You can argue the "hero ball" as the original poster described it has worked in the past, though you might get some pushback on the Uva squad with Steele Stanwick that won.

Hero ball can be effective but not when the other team has comparable talent and better team play. I think that's what we are starting to see fully take form in current day lacrosse. It's just a better way to play and with modern equipment and the skill of the players, its easier to play that way than ever before in my opinion. But to the OP's point, we are seeing conference style differences. It's up to the viewer to determine what is best, but no one can argue with what Maryland is doing and the manner in which they are doing it with.

Cornell plays a very similar passing style. They don’t have as many pure finishers (particularly outside shooters) to unbalance a D like Maryland can, but it has been very effective at times this year.

Crease Crank wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 4:21 pm Pretty simple analysis,
B1G = team lacrosse and tough tough defense
Ivy = strong youth contingent
ACC = hero ball, no chemistry and over rated teams

1766 wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 6:51 pm That will be the match up of the game. Cornell attack v Rutgers close.

You have to feel very comfortable if you are the Rutgers rope unit vs Cornell. For Cornell to have success Sat., their attack is going to have to have a huge game. They are capable of it.

masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 7:19 pm So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

FannOLax wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:40 am

masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 7:19 pm So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

nms wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 am

FannOLax wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:40 am

masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 7:19 pm So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

Gobigred wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:12 am

nms wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:54 am

FannOLax wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:40 am

masondixonlax wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 7:19 pm So much ACC hate after 1 down year haha. I think ACC will be okay, especially with the incoming recruits UVA, Cuse, and UNC have coming in. Think it is way to broad of a generalization to say all teams in a conference plays a certain style.

It's a backlash against the strident hyping done by certain ESPN announcers and their double standards. Yes, this was a down year for the ACC, not a permanent shift.

Also frustration that the lax mafia will ALWAYS "know" that no matter what happens on the field, the traditional southern powerhouses (and now Syracuse and ND, now that they are ACC) are the best. This attitude is as strong now as it was before the national championship was settled on the field, and undefeated Cornell was picked as the fourth best team in the final vote. I know someone can supply the accurate quote, but Richie Moran, after winning the NC on the field, said something like 'maybe we will make the top 3 in the vote.'

That was 1971. Lacrosse's so-called cognoscenti back then were saying "the real championship game is the Maryland-Navy semifinal." Actual outcome? As the title of Christian Swezey's book says, We Showed Baltimore. Deja vu.

According to the Sports Illustrated article, Richie said: "Do you think they'll rank us as high as third?"