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Re: Michigan 2023

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a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
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HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
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That is true that some programs have more elite players. But, with all Michigan has to offer, if much more time goes by and they aren’t even a bubble team cone Selection Sunday, it will be perfectly fair to call them an underachieving program.
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It's groundhog day
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HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
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Let’s see if Michigan can give UVA a battle for, at least, most of the game.
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gymman1031 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:16 pm Let’s see if Michigan can give UVA a battle for, at least, most of the game.
:lol:

They’ll have to figure out that 10 man ride.
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10stone5 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:18 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:16 pm Let’s see if Michigan can give UVA a battle for, at least, most of the game.
:lol:

They’ll have to figure out that 10 man ride.

So will UVA. UM through their 10 man ride on my Statesmen this pat weekend and did a pretty good job.
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a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
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oldbartman wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:13 pm
10stone5 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:18 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:16 pm Let’s see if Michigan can give UVA a battle for, at least, most of the game.
:lol:

They’ll have to figure out that 10 man ride.

So will UVA. UM through their 10 man ride on my Statesmen this pat weekend and did a pretty good job.
Anything can happen on any given day and the current national rankings will look quite a bit different in mid March than now. I do have to ask, who are the Statesmen? am sure they are very good at lacrosse but Have no idea.
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blue angels wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:35 pm
oldbartman wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:13 pm
10stone5 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:18 pm
gymman1031 wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:16 pm Let’s see if Michigan can give UVA a battle for, at least, most of the game.
:lol:

They’ll have to figure out that 10 man ride.

So will UVA. UM through their 10 man ride on my Statesmen this pat weekend and did a pretty good job.
Anything can happen on any given day and the current national rankings will look quite a bit different in mid March than now. I do have to ask, who are the Statesmen? am sure they are very good at lacrosse but Have no idea.
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lorin wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
My definition of elite D1 player is: you can safely argue the player is the best at their position. That usually means you can count them on one hand.

So for me, Michigan doesn't have one of these players.

They have lots of good D1 players....a few really good players. The problem for Michigan has been, of course, is so did/does every other top 30 team in D1.

That, and they're in the Big10.
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a fan wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:10 pm
lorin wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
My definition of elite D1 player is: you can safely argue the player is the best at their position. That usually means you can count them on one hand.

So for me, Michigan doesn't have one of these players.

They have lots of good D1 players....a few really good players. The problem for Michigan has been, of course, is so did/does every other top 30 team in D1.

That, and they're in the Big10.
Still, they have enough good talent so that they should be winning more and being more competitive. And that includes not getting absolutely wiped out by UVA, much less, defeated by double-digit goals, this coming Saturday.
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Why not ?
UVA wiped out a lot of good teams last year.
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10stone5 wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:19 pm Why not ?
UVA wiped out a lot of good teams last year.
Yes. But I think that, when it comes to talent and potential, this year's Michigan bunch should not be getting crushed by UVA. That is just my opinion.
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Did UVA wipe out a lot of good teams last year? Their best regular season win was Notre Dame by a couple and then in the playoffs they looked great against Brown. Other than that their wins were just okay.

I think they’ll beat Michigan by 5-6, I doubt Michigan gets embarrassed in a laugher, but UVA had a litmus test last year. They were up and down against anyone who wasn’t average - Hopkins, UNC - or just bad - Cuse, and then the truly bad teams they played - aside from that ND game.

I think they’re better this year, but could be a good insight into Michigan, if they get outright embarrassed, they’re probably not good. If they’re competitive - lose by 3-4 - they could be a Top 20 team.
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jrn19 wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:55 pm Did UVA wipe out a lot of good teams last year? Their best regular season win was Notre Dame by a couple and then in the playoffs they looked great against Brown. Other than that their wins were just okay.

I think they’ll beat Michigan by 5-6, I doubt Michigan gets embarrassed in a laugher, but UVA had a litmus test last year. They were up and down against anyone who wasn’t average - Hopkins, UNC - or just bad - Cuse, and then the truly bad teams they played - aside from that ND game.

I think they’re better this year, but could be a good insight into Michigan, if they get outright embarrassed, they’re probably not good. If they’re competitive - lose by 3-4 - they could be a Top 20 team.
I just looked at UVA's results last year. They definitely didn't wipe out lots of rock-solid teams.
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a fan wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:10 pm
lorin wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
My definition of elite D1 player is: you can safely argue the player is the best at their position. That usually means you can count them on one hand.

So for me, Michigan doesn't have one of these players.

They have lots of good D1 players....a few really good players. The problem for Michigan has been, of course, is so did/does every other top 30 team in D1.

That, and they're in the Big10.
I hear ya, I think one of them will be elite
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lorin wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:02 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:10 pm
lorin wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
My definition of elite D1 player is: you can safely argue the player is the best at their position. That usually means you can count them on one hand.

So for me, Michigan doesn't have one of these players.

They have lots of good D1 players....a few really good players. The problem for Michigan has been, of course, is so did/does every other top 30 team in D1.

That, and they're in the Big10.
I hear ya, I think one of them will be elite
Well, I'm certainly rooting for them.

Conry is doing a fantastic job with a new program. It takes time, and people have no patience. Are the kids he's bringing in doing Michigan proud? If the answer is yes, let him build the program.
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a fan wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:35 pm
lorin wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:02 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 12:10 pm
lorin wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:06 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:06 am
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:53 am No one would put Zawada in the elite category.
The people who voted him as an All-American and 1st Team All-Big Ten probably would.

I agree that they do not have *enough* elite players to be beating these other teams. But that does not mean they don't have *any*. You said to name one.
An honorable mention D1 player is your definition of elite? Well, I can't argue with opinion.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I have a very different definition.
I think they have elite AA talent, Just need one of them to have that big break out game in big game, and I think they get on a roll.
My definition of elite D1 player is: you can safely argue the player is the best at their position. That usually means you can count them on one hand.

So for me, Michigan doesn't have one of these players.

They have lots of good D1 players....a few really good players. The problem for Michigan has been, of course, is so did/does every other top 30 team in D1.

That, and they're in the Big10.
I hear ya, I think one of them will be elite
Well, I'm certainly rooting for them.

Conry is doing a fantastic job with a new program. It takes time, and people have no patience. Are the kids he's bringing in doing Michigan proud? If the answer is yes, let him build the program.
When it comes to his overall efforts and recruiting, yes, Conry is doing a fine job. And I want to see him succeed and be around for a long time. But you have to remember the following:

-Michigan started DI play in 2012. This is their fourteenth year as such a program. The term “new” doesn’t have a rock-solid appliance to the program anymore.

-Conry is far from new. He is in his sixth season. So the talent is his now. In addition, they will be much more experienced and less youthful than in the past couple of years.

-Once again, I want to see Conry do well and be around a long time. But, in my opinion, I don’t know long he should get to lead the program to much improved game results and performances. If the time isn’t now, it should be very soon.
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