Potential New Top 20

[Comeonman]

UMD
UVA
GT
ND
Rut
Yale
Duke
OSU
Penn
Cuse
JHU
Corn
Prin
UNC
Army
Den
Del
Jax
Bart
Rich

[NElaxtalent]

UMD
UVA
GT
ND
Rut
Yale
Duke
OSU
Penn
Cuse
JHU
Corn
Prin
UNC
Army
Den
Del
Jax
Bart
Rich

Curious, what have you seen from Prin that makes you put them ahead of Jax, Bart, etc? Monmouth W that impressive?

[joewillie78]

Here's mine:
1. Maryland
2. Georgetown
3. Virginia
4. Rutgers
5. Notre Dame
6. Yale
7. Duke
8. North Carolina
9. Cornell
10. John's Hopkins
11. Syracuse
12. Ohio State
13. Penn
14. Brown
15. Vermont
16. Jacksonville
17. Delaware
18. Hobart
19. Stony Brook
20. Army
21. Bucknell
22. Michigan
23. Denver
24. Navy
25. Princeton

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

[Typical Lax Dad]

UMD
UVA
GT
ND
Rut
Yale
Duke
OSU
Penn
Cuse
JHU
Corn
Prin
UNC
Army
Den
Del
Jax
Bart
Rich

Curious, what have you seen from Prin that makes you put them ahead of Jax, Bart, etc? Monmouth W that impressive?

Rankings don’t mean much but how many starters were returning starters from the 2020 team?

[molo]

Just finished my preliminary list. Pretty similar. The hardest part so far is where to rank undefeated teams that were not highly rated preseason and done have big wins compared to some previously highly ranked teams that have already picked up a loss.

[Neverplaydown]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

[jrn19]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

[Typical Lax Dad]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

Did Lehigh lose much off last year’s team?

[jrn19]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

Did Lehigh lose much off last year’s team?

They’ve had some injuries to some solid players but by and large it’s 90% of the same team

[HGK25]

Here's mine:
1. Maryland
2. Georgetown
3. Virginia
4. Rutgers
5. Notre Dame
6. Yale
7. Duke
8. North Carolina
9. Cornell
10. John's Hopkins
11. Syracuse
12. Ohio State
13. Penn
14. Brown
15. Vermont
16. Jacksonville
17. Delaware
18. Hobart
19. Stony Brook
20. Army
21. Bucknell
22. Michigan
23. Denver
24. Navy
25. Princeton

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Tons of respect JW78 but how can OSU be 4 slots behind UNC?

[Wheels]

MD and GT have the best wins of the season so far, and it's not particularly close.

[Turnandrake]

Here's mine:
1. Maryland
2. Georgetown
3. Virginia
4. Rutgers
5. Notre Dame
6. Yale
7. Duke
8. North Carolina
9. Cornell
10. John's Hopkins
11. Syracuse
12. Ohio State
13. Penn
14. Brown
15. Vermont
16. Jacksonville
17. Delaware
18. Hobart
19. Stony Brook
20. Army
21. Bucknell
22. Michigan
23. Denver
24. Navy
25. Princeton

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Tons of respect JW78 but how can OSU be 4 slots behind UNC?

I was thinking the same. Duke and NC should not be in the top ten

[Typical Lax Dad]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

Did Lehigh lose much off last year’s team?

They’ve had some injuries to some solid players but by and large it’s 90% of the same team

Ok. Thanks.

[Farfromgeneva]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

Did Lehigh lose much off last year’s team?

They’ve had some injuries to some solid players but by and large it’s 90% of the same team

Ok. Thanks.

Hobart played without their top returning scorer, Derek Madonna (https://hwsathletics.com/sports/mens-la ... onna/16517).

But our fogos have been wildly underrated since Matt Pedicine graduated. Blanchard is at OSU for his fifth year but the NEC tends to have refs that skew towards a select FOGO who gets a reputation. The younger Massa got smacked around for two years by the least effective FOGO Raymond has had but he still got first team NEC two years in a row. This kid we have Adam Shea from NC is legit. Slow starter most games but picks up steam like crazy (https://hwsathletics.com/sports/mens-la ... shea/16527).

Lehigh had two solid mids down but net net it was effectively even strength given Madonna plus a few other returning guys who didn’t play. More importantly we out muscled them despite a 2-3” and 10-20lb disadvantage on average. Interestingly OSU has leaned on our transfer Knox heavily in their success so far this year. Blanchard has played well but Inacio has been clear starter. Blanchard will be important to them by season end however.

Hobart has basically been around top 20 since 2019. 11-5 w two late season blown big leads to RoMo, 4-1 and looking like a too 15 team in 20. Last year was a mess and still barely lost to Bryant in NEC playoffs to finish 6-3. So been 23-9 over that stretch. Holden was injured most of last year and didn’t practice w MDAs much but you’ve got four kids contributing to MD, Del and OSU from there as well.

[molo]

Jax has a pretty big win, too.

[Farfromgeneva]

No doubt. Jax should be above Denver and UNC IMO. They look strong.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Lehigh Loyola Drexel all preseason top 20. Lehigh has to be biggest disappointment. They look bad

You kinda had to rank Lehigh high (pun not intended) bc of their overall record last year and the impact of Sisselberger, but they didnt look particularly good last year either. Lot of games where their offense was mediocre against mediocre competition but they rode tons of faceoff wins to success. And whenever they didn’t dominate faceoffs, they were handled easily. Not surprising to see them fall out IMO

Did Lehigh lose much off last year’s team?

They’ve had some injuries to some solid players but by and large it’s 90% of the same team

Ok. Thanks.

Hobart played without their top returning scorer, Derek Madonna (https://hwsathletics.com/sports/mens-la ... onna/16517).

But our fogos have been wildly underrated since Matt Pedicine graduated. Blanchard is at OSU for his fifth year but the NEC tends to have refs that skew towards a select FOGO who gets a reputation. The younger Massa got smacked around for two years by the least effective FOGO Raymond has had but he still got first team NEC two years in a row. This kid we have Adam Shea from NC is legit. Slow starter most games but picks up steam like crazy (https://hwsathletics.com/sports/mens-la ... shea/16527).

Lehigh had two solid mids down but net net it was effectively even strength given Madonna plus a few other returning guys who didn’t play. More importantly we out muscled them despite a 2-3” and 10-20lb disadvantage on average. Interestingly OSU has leaned on our transfer Knox heavily in their success so far this year. Blanchard has played well but Inacio has been clear starter. Blanchard will be important to them by season end however.

Hobart has basically been around top 20 since 2019. 11-5 w two late season blown big leads to RoMo, 4-1 and looking like a too 15 team in 20. Last year was a mess and still barely lost to Bryant in NEC playoffs to finish 6-3. So been 23-9 over that stretch. Holden was injured most of last year and didn’t practice w MDAs much but you’ve got four kids contributing to MD, Del and OSU from there as well.

Thanks..a lot of these teams are mysteries this year.

[Farfromgeneva]

Most schools have Soph and Jr. classes who missed 1-2 full seasons of development between High School and their FR year in college over 20-21 seasons. That’s non IVY. If you were a FR last year you didn’t play a Sr HS year and mostly shortened 21 seasons without fall ball and maybe only conference play. Juniors got 4-5 games as FRs in 2020 and then abbreviated or conference only 21 seasons with no fall ball. We’re speculating on a lot of kids on teams who haven’t had a full year since they were 16-17yrs old and now major contributors to teams. Going to take like 5-7 games to have a sense for most. May be where college coaching staffs matter-how they managed the last 2+yes of off seasons and non playing periods with their kids.

[The Orfling]

Here is mine — I honestly struggled once I got past the first five — and I’m probably over representing the Ivy League because I’m so glad to have Ivy League lacrosse back this year:

MD
UVA
Georgetown
ND
Rutgers
Yale
Ohio State
Duke
Syracuse
Army
Hopkins
Penn
Hobart
Jacksonville
Denver
Cornell
UNC
Delaware
Michigan
Princeton

[SCLaxAttack]

Here's mine:
1. Maryland
2. Georgetown
3. Virginia
4. Rutgers
5. Notre Dame
6. Yale
7. Duke
8. North Carolina
9. Cornell
10. John's Hopkins
11. Syracuse
12. Ohio State
13. Penn
14. Brown
15. Vermont
16. Jacksonville
17. Delaware
18. Hobart
19. Stony Brook
20. Army
21. Bucknell
22. Michigan
23. Denver
24. Navy
25. Princeton

GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Tons of respect JW78 but how can OSU be 4 slots behind UNC?

I was thinking the same. Duke and NC should not be in the top ten

Which begs the question: Will this be the first year since whenever that all of ACC lax won’t make the tournament?