NCAA reorg imminent

[1766]

When it comes to saving the flagship schools in Virginia and North Carolina's athletic departments, they will break away rather than continue to what essentially amounts to losing $60MM/year. It's going to be each man for themselves when this next round happens.

The B12 even with those additions wouldn't generate the amount of revenue/payouts that the Big Ten and SEC do.

[wgdsr]

When it comes to saving the flagship schools in Virginia and North Carolina's athletic departments, they will break away rather than continue to what essentially amounts to losing $60MM/year. It's going to be each man for themselves when this next round happens.

The B12 even with those additions wouldn't generate the amount of revenue/payouts that the Big Ten and SEC do.

a nitpick, but the p2 schools have an expectation to possibly earn $30 and as much as $40 million more, not as much as $60.

uva may turn out to be a unique case even if this goes to the finish line before 2036 and before the sec and b1g heavyweights cull their herds for their own division.
a) they fashion themselves above the fray
b) don't know how often they rotate, but the uva prez is as of now the lead guy for acc on the board representing schools
c) they voted for expansion with stan, cal and smu, while notably clem, fsu and unc voted against

c) at least partially might've been as a result of b), but a) is a very longstanding thing from everyone including even the influential alums.

[Essexfenwick]

Seems like the only schools left that would bring in as much or more income per school in the Big Ten are ND and one Florida school. All the others cause the members to make less money. The big moneymakers are Rutgers, the California schools, Michigan, UMD, OSU, Penn State, Illinois/NW combo.

NYC/DC/Chicago/Philli/ LA.

[44WeWantMore]

Correct, based on current regionally-focused cable carriage fees.
Question might be how long will that model endure.
Remember the fight between Charter and Disney?
What happens if Disney (and ESPN) makes it all streaming?
Think ESPN+ for most of the content, and Pay-per-view for the flagship games.
In that case, a national brand would matter more than households in a geographical footprint.

[DocBarrister]

With all the distractions of the lacrosse season, some of you may have missed the real important news … Clemson joined FSU in suing the ACC.

Clemson sued the Atlantic Coast Conference in a South Carolina court on Tuesday, joining Florida State in challenging the league’s right to charge schools hundreds of millions of dollars to leave.

The complaint filed in Pickens County says the ACC’s “exorbitant $140 million” exit penalty and the grant of rights used to bind schools to a conference through their media rights should be struck down.

“Each of these erroneous assertions separately hinders Clemson’s ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members and to obtain full value for its future media rights,” the school said in the lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/clemson-sues ... 0c33c144ed

Clemson will not be the last school suing the ACC.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

With all the distractions of the lacrosse season, some of you may have missed the real important news … Clemson joined FSU in suing the ACC.

Clemson sued the Atlantic Coast Conference in a South Carolina court on Tuesday, joining Florida State in challenging the league’s right to charge schools hundreds of millions of dollars to leave.

The complaint filed in Pickens County says the ACC’s “exorbitant $140 million” exit penalty and the grant of rights used to bind schools to a conference through their media rights should be struck down.

“Each of these erroneous assertions separately hinders Clemson’s ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members and to obtain full value for its future media rights,” the school said in the lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/clemson-sues ... 0c33c144ed

Clemson will not be the last school suing the ACC.

DocBarrister

thanks. this is incredibly surprising.

maybe the bigger news is the acc is countersuing clemson, and looking for damages as well for bad faith dealing, much like fsu countersued the acc back in december.

[coda]

With all the distractions of the lacrosse season, some of you may have missed the real important news … Clemson joined FSU in suing the ACC.

Clemson sued the Atlantic Coast Conference in a South Carolina court on Tuesday, joining Florida State in challenging the league’s right to charge schools hundreds of millions of dollars to leave.

The complaint filed in Pickens County says the ACC’s “exorbitant $140 million” exit penalty and the grant of rights used to bind schools to a conference through their media rights should be struck down.

“Each of these erroneous assertions separately hinders Clemson’s ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members and to obtain full value for its future media rights,” the school said in the lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/clemson-sues ... 0c33c144ed

Clemson will not be the last school suing the ACC.

DocBarrister

It seems the ACC is in serious trouble. It going to be interesting to see where teams end up. It will definitely have an impact in lacrosse

[DocBarrister]

With all the distractions of the lacrosse season, some of you may have missed the real important news … Clemson joined FSU in suing the ACC.

Clemson sued the Atlantic Coast Conference in a South Carolina court on Tuesday, joining Florida State in challenging the league’s right to charge schools hundreds of millions of dollars to leave.

The complaint filed in Pickens County says the ACC’s “exorbitant $140 million” exit penalty and the grant of rights used to bind schools to a conference through their media rights should be struck down.

“Each of these erroneous assertions separately hinders Clemson’s ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members and to obtain full value for its future media rights,” the school said in the lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/clemson-sues ... 0c33c144ed

Clemson will not be the last school suing the ACC.

DocBarrister

It seems the ACC is in serious trouble. It going to be interesting to see where teams end up. It will definitely have an impact in lacrosse

Not a good sign that a sports conference is in active litigation against two of its highest revenue schools.

DocBarrister

[Farfromgeneva]

With all the distractions of the lacrosse season, some of you may have missed the real important news … Clemson joined FSU in suing the ACC.

Clemson sued the Atlantic Coast Conference in a South Carolina court on Tuesday, joining Florida State in challenging the league’s right to charge schools hundreds of millions of dollars to leave.

The complaint filed in Pickens County says the ACC’s “exorbitant $140 million” exit penalty and the grant of rights used to bind schools to a conference through their media rights should be struck down.

“Each of these erroneous assertions separately hinders Clemson’s ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members and to obtain full value for its future media rights,” the school said in the lawsuit.

https://apnews.com/article/clemson-sues ... 0c33c144ed

Clemson will not be the last school suing the ACC.

DocBarrister

thanks. this is incredibly surprising.

maybe the bigger news is the acc is countersuing clemson, and looking for damages as well for bad faith dealing, much like fsu countersued the acc back in december.

Breaking news!

Water is wet.

This is a game changer folks. I don’t think sand has any future as we know it.

[DocBarrister]

The Atlantic Coast Conference is facing lawsuits from its two biggest football powers: Florida State and, as of this week, Clemson.

And now a top official from the University of North Carolina, the league's most successful overall athletic department and its top basketball brand, is calling out the conference and commissioner Jim Phillips.

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," UNC Board of Trustees chairman John Preyer told WRAL on Wednesday.

"Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kiByb

By “bottom tier,” I’m assuming he’s talking about schools like Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, GT, and Wake Forest.

DocBarrister

[Essexfenwick]

The Atlantic Coast Conference is facing lawsuits from its two biggest football powers: Florida State and, as of this week, Clemson.

And now a top official from the University of North Carolina, the league's most successful overall athletic department and its top basketball brand, is calling out the conference and commissioner Jim Phillips.

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," UNC Board of Trustees chairman John Preyer told WRAL on Wednesday.

"Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kiByb

By “bottom tier,” I’m assuming he’s talking about schools like Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, GT, and Wake Forest.

DocBarrister

Too bad. They signed a stupid contract and pretend they are a smart school. They are bound to the larger NC state which has more alumni in the state and won’t let UNC leave them behind in a worse conference. Same goes for Uva and the larger Virginia Tech. Clemson is not valuable with U South Carolina already in the SEC. Florida State will not be taken by the SEC and their low budget trashy angry panic regarding their conference partners and the contract they enthusiastically signed is a turn off to the classy B1G. FSU definitely has value with a big market, great recruiting area and large alumni base but the B1G might go for the classier Miami.

[wgdsr]

The Atlantic Coast Conference is facing lawsuits from its two biggest football powers: Florida State and, as of this week, Clemson.

And now a top official from the University of North Carolina, the league's most successful overall athletic department and its top basketball brand, is calling out the conference and commissioner Jim Phillips.

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," UNC Board of Trustees chairman John Preyer told WRAL on Wednesday.

"Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kiByb

By “bottom tier,” I’m assuming he’s talking about schools like Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, GT, and Wake Forest.

DocBarrister

these guys are definitely confusing. i don't understand why if they want to leave and the gor doesn't say anything that holds them to task, why they don't just go to another conference? it's weird.

maybe a related note or again maybe i'm confused, but when i put these quotes in the english/swahili translator, they all come back "we signed a long term deal we regret but i'm really mad about it and i want you to change it all, daddy!!!" (pounds fists).

[DocBarrister]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

how do you feel about the acc's countersuit chances vs unc? you were really big on fsu's similar countersuit claims vs the acc.

[DocBarrister]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

how do you feel about the acc's countersuit chances vs unc? you were really big on fsu's similar countersuit claims vs the acc.

I think there is supposed to be a decision on whether the ACC’s lawsuit can move forward (in North Carolina) sometime around April 9. We will know more then.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

how do you feel about the acc's countersuit chances vs unc? you were really big on fsu's similar countersuit claims vs the acc.

I think there is supposed to be a decision on whether the ACC’s lawsuit can move forward (in North Carolina) sometime around April 9. We will know more then.

DocBarrister

you bet we will. starting with what kind of nads (and maybe partisanship) the judge has while living in the middle of acc country. will have to look into her/his bio before then. how does this work? would the same judge hear the case?

[PizzaSnake]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

how do you feel about the acc's countersuit chances vs unc? you were really big on fsu's similar countersuit claims vs the acc.

I think there is supposed to be a decision on whether the ACC’s lawsuit can move forward (in North Carolina) sometime around April 9. We will know more then.

DocBarrister

you bet we will. starting with what kind of nads (and maybe partisanship) the judge has while living in the middle of acc country. will have to look into her/his bio before then. how does this work? would the same judge hear the case?

Justice not blind in NC?

[wgdsr]

It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister

how do you feel about the acc's countersuit chances vs unc? you were really big on fsu's similar countersuit claims vs the acc.

I think there is supposed to be a decision on whether the ACC’s lawsuit can move forward (in North Carolina) sometime around April 9. We will know more then.

DocBarrister

you bet we will. starting with what kind of nads (and maybe partisanship) the judge has while living in the middle of acc country. will have to look into her/his bio before then. how does this work? would the same judge hear the case?

Justice not blind in NC?

is it anywhere?

[coda]

I am not sure where you are getting 20-30mm. The new BCS agreement pays out 21mm..

From the Detroit Free press

This football season begins long television contracts between the Big Ten and NBC, CBS and Fox, which will have prime windows on the national stage all Saturday afternoon and night, not to mention supplemental coverage on Peacock, Fox Sports 1 and the Big Ten Network for all of their other sports, too. Reports have the annual payout for Big Ten teams in the range of $65 million per school.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/coll ... 530077007/

[Farfromgeneva]

The Atlantic Coast Conference is facing lawsuits from its two biggest football powers: Florida State and, as of this week, Clemson.

And now a top official from the University of North Carolina, the league's most successful overall athletic department and its top basketball brand, is calling out the conference and commissioner Jim Phillips.

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," UNC Board of Trustees chairman John Preyer told WRAL on Wednesday.

"Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-BB1kiByb

By “bottom tier,” I’m assuming he’s talking about schools like Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, GT, and Wake Forest.

DocBarrister

The quote about representing interests is moronic. There’s an inherent conflict and explicit cooperation involved here. The league has to manage competing interests and he’s whining like a biyach. Maybe he should’ve focused on actually teaching BB kids some stuff instead of whatever they did for like all to Dean Smiths wretchedly pious a** four decade tenure.

You sure do like cheerleading for low rent characters and weak heuristic operators .