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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:21 pm It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister
Ever see a servicer in a master trust managing competition interests of various bond holders or like anything regarding structured finance? Perhaps some
Royalty or IP securitization? If so then you’d know you’re selling a position and not the reality above. It’s incredibly common to have competing interests in commercial contracts. No one can anticipate all future changes to the landscape and incorporate them all at which point it would be a worthless contract beyond those billable legal hours. So it’s not uncommon for various interest positions to
Change and have a tougher outcome. You’re acting like the legal and civil system can solve everything perfectly for everyone and that a bizarre position to stand on.
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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:21 pm It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister
Yeah I see contracts that as the landscape changes leaves one party stuck all the time. I don’t agree with the bolded of yours above from privatize experience and it implies attorneys are omniscient to all future outcomes which Woods be require to have reasonable termination clause - unless yoire talking about some go dark toothless evergeeen contract that wouldn’t be with a**t because the term argon. Is too loose and easy.

A longer time client last few years (NBFI) general counsel literally wrote the master trust agreement back in the day. He thinks he can envision and handicap every future outcome but I assure you he can’t.

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In January, investors including TPG Angelo Gordon, LibreMax Capital and Lord Abbett & Co. got a shock.

The firms had bought into a bond deal arranged by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in 2021 that financed the purchase of dozens of apartment buildings in San Francisco, one of the nation’s priciest markets. But by the end of 2022, the companies that borrowed the money had defaulted and the loan backing the securities was eventually sold off at a deep loss.

Then Midland Loan Services Inc, a go-between that intervenes for bondholders when assets struggle, delivered more bad news: Investors weren’t going to get $164 million they had coming to them — for at least a little while, as questions surrounding the fate of the deal were worked through. Holdbacks can happen in commercial mortgage bonds, but this one was unusually large, big enough to expose multiple classes rated investment grade by Kroll Bond Rating Agency to possible losses.

The step has drawn attention on Wall Street as a potential new X-factor risk in the $1 trillion market for commercial mortgage-backed securities. The real estate market is already contending with a historic downturn, but some investors now worry that servicers will make surprise decisions that end up significantly hurting their returns in deals.

Stav Gaon, a strategist at Academy Securities Inc., says the holdback in the Midland deal is likely the largest ever seen in that corner of the US securities market, and raises the odds investors will face additional hurdles as other deals lapse into default.

“This is a risk investors did not expect,” Gaon said, stressing that there may well be a good explanation for the large amount held back. “There’s no reason to think that something like this won’t happen again.”

More than a month after its attention-grabbing disclosure, Midland, a unit of PNC Financial Services Group Inc., has not offered many details on why it held back the large sum, nor is it obligated to. The main theory is that Midland, fearing bondholders might file a lawsuit, retained the funds in order to pay for unforeseen expenses related to litigation, according to people with knowledge of the situation.

A Midland spokesperson declined to comment for this story. The company previously said in a statement that “while PNC typically does not comment on specific transactions, we can share that based on the unique attributes of SASB (single asset, single borrower) deals and specific factors related to this portfolio, the size of the holdback is appropriate.”

Spokespeople for Angelo Gordon, LibreMax and Goldman Sachs declined to comment. Lord Abbett didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Big loss
The commercial mortgage bond is backed by a loan that two borrowers, Veritas Investments and Baupost Group, took out in 2020 against more than 60 apartment complexes in San Francisco, according to loan documents. Goldman Sachs bundled the loan into commercial mortgage backed securities in 2021.

In 2022 and 2023, many apartment landlords nationally found themselves bleeding cash. The most aggressive Federal Reserve rate hiking in decades had boosted financing costs for real estate owners, one of the key factors erasing profits even though rents had been rising in many markets.

Amid these headwinds, Veritas and Baupost defaulted on the $675 million loan. Midland was appointed to oversee the increasingly troubled debt in November 2022, according to a Kroll report. Veritas and Baupost declined to comment.

Midland’s job — as a special servicer — was to extract maximum value from the loan, through steps such as selling or renegotiating it, and pass the money on to bondholders.

The servicer proposed selling the loan for a minimum price of around $515 million. But Angelo Gordon, LibreMax, and Lord Abbett raised concerns that that price was too low, according to people familiar with the matter and a Kroll report that didn’t identify the specific noteholders.

It is unclear why Midland elected to sell when it did, but market veterans say that, when loans default, it’s not always clear whether the best way to recoup value for bondholders is to sell the loans at current market prices, wait for prices to improve, or pursue some other option such as foreclosing on the underlying properties. Such decisions are especially fraught in markets undergoing big changes in valuations, as was the case in last year’s multifamily commercial real estate sector.

Despite the objections, Midland ended up selling the loan to Brookfield for net proceeds of around $513 million, triggering a loss of nearly 25% on the original value of the loan. That meant that two classes of bondholders most exposed to the risk — those holding the class G note and some of the class F note — would take losses, according to a note by Gaon. Brookfield declined to comment.

Then, Midland’s holdback exposed additional bondholders to potential losses, including those holding the class E, D and some of the C notes, respectively rated BB-, BBB-, and A- by Kroll.

The credit markets have largely defied speculation that the Federal Reserve’s interest-rate hikes would cause a surge of defaults as companies were weaned from a long era of easy money. Such concerns flared after the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and two other banks set off fears of a credit crunch, only to fade after the economy proved surprisingly resilient. Recently, with investors anticipating that the Fed will start cutting rates this year, they’ve demanded smaller yield premiums on some commercial mortgage-backed bonds, a sign of easing concern.

But distress has been building across the real estate industry. Landlords are offloading office buildings at half off, or even $1, as remote work becomes the norm. More recently, problems are brewing in the multifamily apartment sector. Potential distress in that sector topped $67 billion as of last quarter, surpassing the $55 billion of distress in the office sector, according to an MSCI report.

This looming mountain of distress has made Wall Street especially sensitive to conflicts like the one involving the portfolio of San Francisco apartment debt. If interest rates remain high and more deals get into trouble, then special servicers are likely to find themselves acting as referees on more and more deals.

JPMorgan strategist Chong Sin wrote in a note that in the Midland deal factors including the lack of explanation and the large size of the holdback could contribute to investors growing less confident about the securities. Investors are still determining what incentives servicers may have in resolving deals in the future.

“This reminds investors that they don’t have as much control as they think they do,” said Liza Crawford, co-head of securitized research at TCW. “It opens the door to a new level of risk that could materially disrupt investors’ expected returns.”

This article was provided by Bloomberg News.
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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:21 pm It’s pretty obvious that some of you do not understand the purpose and nature of large commercial contracts. A good, valid, enforceable contract should be fair to, and benefit, all parties.

The facts and circumstances surrounding the signing of a contract matter. Changes in the facts and circumstances impacting a contract matter. Every good contract will have a reasonable termination clause.

It is unclear to me whether a termination clause that inflicts half-a-billion dollars (and more) in penalties on an institution of higher learning is a reasonable (enforceable, conscionable) termination clause. And for what, a sports conference and sports broadcasting network?

The courts and the litigants will sort this out, whether through settlement, motion practice, or trial. These are complex cases and some of you have a far too simplistic perspective on these matters.

DocBarrister
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A judge in North Carolina allowed the ACC’s lawsuit against FSU to continue in that state.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ac ... r-BB1l59gc

That’s an initial win for the ACC.

However, two rulings may actually undo the ACC in the long run.

The court found that the ACC had not obtained prior approval for the lawsuit, but only afterwards on January 12, 2024 for an amended complaint.

Second, the court dismissed the ACC’s claim that FSU had breached its fiduciary duties to the ACC.

Anyway, a court in Florida will address similar issues next week.

There is also the Clemson lawsuit pending in South Carolina.

The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

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DocBarrister wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:30 am A judge in North Carolina allowed the ACC’s lawsuit against FSU to continue in that state.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ac ... r-BB1l59gc

That’s an initial win for the ACC.

However, two rulings may actually undo the ACC in the long run.

The court found that the ACC had not obtained prior approval for the lawsuit, but only afterwards on January 12, 2024 for an amended complaint.

Second, the court dismissed the ACC’s claim that FSU had breached its fiduciary duties to the ACC.

Anyway, a court in Florida will address similar issues next week.

There is also the Clemson lawsuit pending in South Carolina.

The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

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Doesn’t say much about the education, IQ or critical thinking skills of those schools administrators that willingly and enthusiastically signed the iron-clad acc grant of rights.
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Florida state judge just ruled that the case filed by FSU may proceed in Tallahassee. Ruled that the ACC’s earlier filing was a classic anticipatory lawsuit and a case of forum shopping. Judge stated that the state of Florida has a vested interest in the case and that there were issues of sovereign immunity to consider.

No fully edited news articles yet on the decision (literallly happened a few minutes ago).

Bottom line, there are now four lawsuits in three jurisdictions moving forward:

(1) FSU vs. ACC in Tallahassee
(2) ACC vs. FSU in NC
(3) Clemson vs. ACC in South Carolina
(4) ACC vs. Clemson in NC

What a mess.

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If any acc schools are admitted to the B1G then they need to pay UMD back the 30 million they took from the school plus 12 years inflation and interest also compensation for the crappy scheduling inflicted in UMDs last year in the league costing a ton of ticket revenue.

I’d say UMD should be reimbursed in the 70 million neighborhood now that the ACC schools that extorted UMD are scurrying around in a freaked out panic and begging to join them.

UMD should veto any deal to ACC schools that doesn’t include restitution.
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Doing some footage of the FSU legal team. They are lethal!

https://youtu.be/eVsWErPO8qc?feature=shared
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Essexfenwick wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:47 pm If any acc schools are admitted to the B1G then they need to pay UMD back the 30 million they took from the school plus 12 years inflation and interest also compensation for the crappy scheduling inflicted in UMDs last year in the league costing a ton of ticket revenue.

I’d say UMD should be reimbursed in the 70 million neighborhood now that the ACC schools that extorted UMD are scurrying around in a freaked out panic and begging to join them.

UMD should veto any deal to ACC schools that doesn’t include restitution.
Whatever you are smoking … STOP.

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:29 pm
Essexfenwick wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:47 pm If any acc schools are admitted to the B1G then they need to pay UMD back the 30 million they took from the school plus 12 years inflation and interest also compensation for the crappy scheduling inflicted in UMDs last year in the league costing a ton of ticket revenue.

I’d say UMD should be reimbursed in the 70 million neighborhood now that the ACC schools that extorted UMD are scurrying around in a freaked out panic and begging to join them.

UMD should veto any deal to ACC schools that doesn’t include restitution.
Whatever you are smoking … STOP.

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Or find a higher class of dealer…I think this is his current plug:

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He even took a ride to a party for the dude!

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UMD needs to start the lawsuit in Maryland for the 70 million extorted by the ACC schools to get the ball rolling and lay the foundation for the extremely reasonable restitution. The lawsuit should be against the schools suing the ACC since the other ACC schools are still defending the exit fees. The schools suing are laying the legal groundwork that the exit costs are illegitimate. The exit costs they inflicted on UMD. Now that they are scurrying around and freaked out .. they are making the case for UMD at no cost to UMD. Besides, they want in the Big Ten so bad they will pretend to be happy paying it legal decision or not. UMD could give them a discount to 65 million if they contribute it to the lacrosse NIL fund.
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The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
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ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
i mean, yeah, but he and fenwick and whomever will get to crow about it for 2 or 8 years on fanlax and twitter, so there's that.
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ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.

Why couldn’t the SEC and B1G keep the most lucrative markets and large alumni flagship schools just have afc nfc model with players in a union and payed with the highest media contracts? The less valuable schools need higher numbers of members to saturate what’s left and have a compelling product. The only things of enough value left are Notre Dame, some representative of the mountain west time zone and Florida State. All the others reduce the payout per school. If the two conferences are discussing it now and cooperating I think Florida State might be out of luck. The Big Ten is strategically set up better than the SEC by dominating California and the West Coast plus rolling through NYC, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, Baltimore/Washington, Indy, Cleveland-Cincinnati-Columbus, Milwaukee, LA, Seattle…

If they Let UF and the SEC dominate Florida it evens things out a little having Texas/Florida and the South. Maybe the SEC could take a Mountain West team or 2 to even out the future TV money
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ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
I’ve been saying this for a while but the dreamers and sycophants who put all their marbles and identity on Big Ten (or ACC) membership have delusions filling their ears. This is all getting flipped on its head. And if someone states with certainty they know what’s going to happen dismiss them immediately as a joke.

The guys on the other side don’t even get that linear TV is the new newspaper, will be cannon fodder for levered cash flow stoppering by Alden global, Apollo, Cerberus and Arena in short order. They talk about EsPN like it’s relevant in the world when the emtire media complex has become micro cap in 2yrs
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wgdsr wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:52 am
ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
i mean, yeah, but he and fenwick and whomever will get to crow about it for 2 or 8 years on fanlax and twitter, so there's that.
The second one is Peter Brown not having left the boards as he claimed I assume you had figured out by now.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:38 pm
ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
I’ve been saying this for a while but the dreamers and sycophants who put all their marbles and identity on Big Ten (or ACC) membership have delusions filling their ears. This is all getting flipped on its head. And if someone states with certainty they know what’s going to happen dismiss them immediately as a joke.

The guys on the other side don’t even get that linear TV is the new newspaper, will be cannon fodder for levered cash flow stoppering by Alden global, Apollo, Cerberus and Arena in short order. They talk about EsPN like it’s relevant in the world when the emtire media complex has become micro cap in 2yrs
Given the changes in jurisprudence recently regarding “established” law and convention, I’d have to agree.

Who the fcuk knows what some odd-ball federal judge in some BFE district will attempt to do?

Venue-shopping has recently begun to be addressed, but is still pretty wild. Can’t see how businesses, which live, no, depend on predictability, will proceed with multi-year, multi-billion dollar vehicles in light of these shenanigans. It isn’t just women’s reproductive rights — look at IP law and the prevalence of “court shopping.”
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PizzaSnake wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:49 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:38 pm
ggait wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:31 am
The real wild card is UNC. If UNC files a lawsuit against the ACC (which is very possible), it’s probably game over for the ACC as we know it.

DocBarrister
By the time that FSU and Clemson get a court order allowing them to exit the ACC on reasonable terms, the SEC/B10 duopoly over college football will be gone. FSU and Clemson are chasing a bandwagon that is rapidly falling apart and which is just not sustainable long term.

While the SEC/B10 have the most money and the upper hand in the current conference based format, they have the same huge vulnerabilities that all conferences have. Namely, they have no ability to control their business since their business model is basically illegal.

The only legal solution to the current structure is a players union and collective bargaining. Because unions (basically collusive cartels of workers that would otherwise be antitrust illegal) are explicitly authorized under law. All sports businesses are fundamentally organized around collective bargaining.

Once you get a player union (inevitable), the conference based structure for football will be replaced with something more resembling a super league.

Doc seems to think that the ACC is uniquely endangered. IMO all big money college sports conferences are living on borrowed time. The SEC and B10 are Radio Shack and Blockbuster. Top dogs now, but ultimately doomed.
I’ve been saying this for a while but the dreamers and sycophants who put all their marbles and identity on Big Ten (or ACC) membership have delusions filling their ears. This is all getting flipped on its head. And if someone states with certainty they know what’s going to happen dismiss them immediately as a joke.

The guys on the other side don’t even get that linear TV is the new newspaper, will be cannon fodder for levered cash flow stoppering by Alden global, Apollo, Cerberus and Arena in short order. They talk about EsPN like it’s relevant in the world when the emtire media complex has become micro cap in 2yrs
Given the changes in jurisprudence recently regarding “established” law and convention, I’d have to agree.

Who the fcuk knows what some odd-ball federal judge in some BFE district will attempt to do?

Venue-shopping has recently begun to be addressed, but is still pretty wild. Can’t see how businesses, which live, no, depend on predictability, will proceed with multi-year, multi-billion dollar vehicles in light of these shenanigans. It isn’t just women’s reproductive rights — look at IP law and the prevalence of “court shopping.”
Wait until the credit cycle turns and you get internecine gang warfare between PE shops.

Here’s a taste of what’s to come especially when you start having more synthetic deals like right risk transfer/capital relief trades I’ve been a proponent and catalyst of more than once. It’ll make fighting between ABS creditors look like patty cake. Once folks start fighting over a pie it only ends with blood:

https://www.lsta.org/news-resources/man ... -end-near/

Manufactured Defaults: Is the End Near?
March 13, 2019 - The Windstream bankruptcy has focused much attention (including ours) on “bankruptcy hardball” and “manufactured defaults”. Last Wednesday, the LSTA hosted a webinar on those issues and how they could impact the loan market. Coincidentally, the same day, ISDA published a consultation paper proposing amendments to their Definitions that would limit the impact of “narrowly tailored credit events,” which currently trigger CDS contracts while minimizing the actual financial impact on the company. Why do we care? While the loan-only CDS is relatively modest, many of our members invest up and down the capital structure and rely on the CDS market to hedge their positions (or express short positions and the proliferation of unconventional uses of CDS could have a deleterious impact on that product. Following is a dive into what gave rise to the consultation, what it recommends, what it might accomplish, and what happens next.

For the past few years, a number of stressed or distressed companies have engaged in opportunistic credit default strategies. In these situations, companies “manufacture” payment defaults on relatively small amounts of debt sufficient to trigger “payment defaults” under CDS but not large enough to trigger cross default provisions on their other debt. These schemes, such as in iHeart Media, Codere, and most recently, Hovnanian, have in common that they do not result from, or in the deterioration in creditworthiness of, the reference company. For example, in the context of a broad refinancing of its debt, GSO provided Hovnanian with advantageous financing terms in return for which Hovnanian agreed to default on an interest payment on a small amount of its bonds held by its own subsidiary. This would not only have triggered a failure to pay credit event and entitle CDS protection buyers, including GSO, to receive payments on its Hovnanian CDS contracts but would have also established below-market securities that could have been deliverable under the CDS contract as “cheapest to deliver” thereby boosting the value of the CDS contract (which is generally measured by the insured value minus the cheapest to deliver security). For reasons beyond the scope of this article, including litigation and regulatory intervention, the scheme was ultimately abandoned.

In April 2018, ISDA’s board issued a statement suggesting that narrowly tailored defaults could negatively impact the efficiency, reliability and fairness of the overall CDS market and the proposed amendments reflect that view. Their recently proposed amendments address this challenge by adding to the definition of “Failure to Pay” a “Credit Deterioration Requirement” that negates the failure to pay default if such failure “does not directly or indirectly result from, or result in, a deterioration in the creditworthiness or financial condition” of the company. The consultation follows with four pages of Interpretive Guidance that lays out the intention behind the amendment, explains the assessment of the credit deterioration requirement and distinguishes forbearance, standstill and other bona fide arrangements that would rarely result in a determination that a non-payment event did not result from credit deterioration. As always, much is left to the discretion of ISDA’s “Determination Committees” that are charged with deciding whether a Credit Event has occurred.

While many market participants support ISDA’s view, not everyone agrees that manufactured defaults are wrong or would damage the CDS market. Matt Levine, in a recent Bloomberg Opinion piece, noted that while they appear to be manipulative, manufactured defaults do help the company get financing. “It is a way for real companies to get financing at the expense of CDS sellers, to whom the company owes nothing.” Similarly, during the Hovnanian litigation, Kramer Levin observed that the “CDS market shows few signs of disruption on account of engineered credit events involving financially distressed” companies. But, perhaps most importantly, the CFTC is not happy with this trend and that view is likely to carry the day
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