Is America a racist nation?

[jhu72]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

[PizzaSnake]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

Another Great Migration imminent?

[jhu72]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

Another Great Migration imminent?

... turn the US up on end, balancing it on south Florida, and all the racists would roll into the state. Then we could build a wall.

[PizzaSnake]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

Another Great Migration imminent?

... turn the US up on end, balancing it on south Florida, and all the racists would roll into the state. Then we could build a wall.

But could it be both “Dog’s Waiting Room” and the national MaGa suppository, er, repository?

[Typical Lax Dad]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

This is the year 2024.

[PizzaSnake]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

This is the year 2024.

And all is well?

[Typical Lax Dad]

So who knew you can't be discriminated against while being black in Florida?? Certainly not the two black lawyers who questioned the (white) judge in Ron DeSantis' Florida.

Story

This is the year 2024.

And all is well?

2024….and with enough time and effort, we may get back to 1924. This country can’t get out of 2nd gear without a fight.



This may get a teacher fired in Florida.

[Brooklyn]

Grandfather suing Sunglass Hut, Macy's following arrest


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facial-rec ... lted-jail/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 343044007/



Innocent man arrested on AI misidentification. Beaten and raped in prison. Hopefully, he will win his lawsuit but he needs to sue the government and cops as well. turd gotta stop.

[Kismet]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/st ... r-BB1hw8jJ

"Stolen Jackie Robinson statue found "dismantled and burned" in Kansas

Police in Kansas are searching for a suspect after a bronze statue of Jackie Robinson was vandalized and stolen last week. The dismantled remains of the artwork were found Tuesday morning by the Wichita Fire Department when it responded to a small trash fire.

Wichita police said Monday it had located the truck that was believed to be used in the theft of the artwork, but added that detectives and officers were still searching for the people responsible.

The life-size statue, which was erected in 2021 as part of the Jackie Robinson Pavilion in Wichita, is one of just four statues of the athlete in the nation. It was cut off from the ankles up and put in a pickup truck in the very early hours of Thursday morning, according to police."

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.


The callousness of what she was seeing scandalized Legrand. She knew students at Columbia who had lost friends or relatives in the Oct. 7 pogrom, she told me, but “there was not one ounce of sympathy or compassion extended to my Jewish and Israeli friends.” She reached out on social media. “You are not alone,” she posted. “I unequivocally support and stand with you.”

She decided to offer more than comfort. Over the next few months, Legrand assembled a group of students, Jews and non-Jews alike, to create a new campus club, Law Students Against Antisemitism. They drafted a charter laying out their objectives: to raise awareness of historical and contemporary antisemitism, to foster dialogue, and to provide support for students targeted by antisemitism.

Student groups are ubiquitous at Columbia — the university boasts that there are more than 500 clubs and organizations, at least 85 in the law school alone. Given the surge of venomous anti-Jewish and anti-Israel bigotry, especially among young Americans and in academia, the need for groups like Law Students Against Antisemitism is self-evident.

On Jan. 23, Legrand and the group’s other officers appeared before the law school student senate to request official recognition for their club. Such recognition, which is needed to reserve space on campus and be assigned a Columbia email address, is normally a routine formality. Eight other clubs requested approval last month; all eight were rubber-stamped in a few minutes.

But not Law Students Against Antisemitism.

Before the vote was held, a delegation of progressive students showed up to demand that Legrand’s group be rejected on the grounds that it would “silence pro-Palestine activists on campus and brand their political speech as antisemitic.” It would do so, they claimed, by adopting the standard definition of antisemitism drafted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. The accusation was ridiculous on multiple grounds. First and most obviously, no voluntary student group has the power to silence anyone, on campus or off. Second, as recent months have made plain, there has been no shortage of pro-Palestine expression on Columbia’s campus.

Above all, it is beyond surreal to denounce an organization opposed to antisemitism for adopting the most widely used definition of the term. The IHRA formulation has been accepted by 42 countries — including the United States — and by well over 1,000 states, provinces, cities, nongovernmental organizations, and corporations. In fact, it is the definition relied on by the federal government in its enforcement of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.

In the end, the absurdity of the attack made no difference. For an hour, Legrand and her colleagues were grilled by the student senate. Then, by an anonymous vote, Law Students Against Antisemitism was rejected.

Legrand knows only too well how tenacious antisemitism can be. She said she was “heartbroken” by the student senate vote and by the moral perversity of those who would mobilize to kill an organization like hers. But she is not giving up. She hasn’t forgotten the view from her childhood bedroom window. And she knows that in the fight against antisemitism, surrender is dangerous.

Jeff Jacoby can be reached at [email protected]. Follow him on X @jeff_jacoby. To subscribe to Arguable, his weekly newsletter, visit globe.com/arguable

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/07/ ... ent-group/

[a fan]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

[Kismet]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

Actually, I think the Dutch paid to the local natives $24 for Manhattan....or more recently the estimate was $951.08
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/126 ... -bought-24

[MDlaxfan76]

Thanks ONW, here's an article from Columbia newspaper.

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/ ... ism-group/

I'd note for those that may have missed it that the founder/President, Legrand, is not Jewish and is black...the org would not be just for Jewish law students (there is such an affinity group) but rather for those law students who wished to discuss issues of antisemitism, oppose antisemitism. 78 signed in support.

The question of equating anti-zionism with anti-semitism is indeed highly fraught, but the definition that they adopted and was criticized for does not actually equate. And is quite explicit that criticism of Israel and its government, policies, etc, just as any other country might be criticized is not anti-semitic in itself.

The closest it gets is one example of antisemitism: "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

It's worth reading the definition and examples: https://holocaustremembrance.com/resour ... tisemitism

Feels like this isn't over, that sentiment will be that this rejection was wrongheaded and symptomatic of a larger bias.

[a fan]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

Actually, I think the Dutch paid to the local natives $24 for Manhattan....or more recently the estimate was $951.08
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/126 ... -bought-24

A. You buy that? B. Jewish folks paid cash for large chunks or Israel, too. And if you'd ask them to buy Gaza? What do you suppose they'd say? C. the war made all of this irrelevant, as did wars all over Earth that moved borders around thousands of times over the years. Rome "owned" Israel long before Islam was founded. Does Italy get "their land back"?

[MDlaxfan76]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

Actually, I think the Dutch paid to the local natives $24 for Manhattan....or more recently the estimate was $951.08
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/126 ... -bought-24

A. You buy that? B. Jewish folks paid cash for large chunks or Israel, too. And if you'd ask them to buy Gaza? What do you suppose they'd say? C. the war made all of this irrelevant, as did wars all over Earth that moved borders around thousands of times over the years. Rome "owned" Israel long before Islam was founded. Does Italy get "their land back"?

were you thinking that Kismet was arguing?
or just a little pedantic nit over "stole" and Manhattan?

Let's just say the dutch "ripped off" the Natives rather than "stole".

Re Israel, I confess that I don't know the facts, but I don't recall a monetary payment for the State of Israel being required before taking control. Nor a monetary payment when Israel extended its borders.

And I may be wrong, but I don't think the far right settlements that displace Palestinians are being done with a monetary payment that Palestinians have accepted as fair payment for those lands, villages....

That said, I do agree with the fundamental premise that past control or "ownership" eventually becomes irrelevant, though there is some element of reparations that could well be appropriate...and if such actually would result in peace, lasting peace, I agree that Israel and many Jews around the world and those who have supported peace would step up...but that ain't yet what is promised.

But it's where the world needs to get to...

[a fan]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

Actually, I think the Dutch paid to the local natives $24 for Manhattan....or more recently the estimate was $951.08
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/126 ... -bought-24

A. You buy that? B. Jewish folks paid cash for large chunks or Israel, too. And if you'd ask them to buy Gaza? What do you suppose they'd say? C. the war made all of this irrelevant, as did wars all over Earth that moved borders around thousands of times over the years. Rome "owned" Israel long before Islam was founded. Does Italy get "their land back"?

were you thinking that Kismet was arguing?
or just a little pedantic nit over "stole" and Manhattan?

A nit. Which is why I did the laughing thingie. The man knows his US history.

[Kismet]

At Columbia Law, a club formed to combat antisemitism gets shot down

The only student group rejected this year was one organized to oppose anti-Jewish bigotry.

By Jeff Jacoby Boston Globe Columnist, February 7, 2024


Long before antisemitism erupted on college campuses last fall, Marie-Alice Legrand knew what hostility to Jews could lead to.

As a young girl growing up in Hamburg, Germany, Legrand could look from her bedroom window onto the bare expanse of the Bornplatz, the site of what was once the city’s largest synagogue. The great Jewish house of worship was torched on Kristallnacht by antisemitic mobs; a few months later the Nazis ordered the Jewish community to demolish what remained of the building and turn over the land to the city. The deportation of Hamburg’s Jews to the death camps began in 1941. In the summer of 1942, the Jewish family that owned what would later become Legrand’s childhood home was murdered in Auschwitz.

Like all schoolchildren in modern Germany, Legrand was taught from an early age about the Holocaust. “I always thought about what those individuals must have gone through,” she told me in a phone conversation Monday. “When we learned about the hatred of the Jews, about the mass murder, I tried hard to relate to the people who were involved.”

A Black German of French Caribbean descent, Legrand went to Paris to study history and management, then moved to New York to earn a law degree at Columbia University. She said she hadn’t expected to become an activist in her final year, but everything changed after Israel was savagely attacked on Oct. 7.

Legrand was shocked when the Columbia campus erupted in “blatant antisemitism and hate,” as she wrote on LinkedIn. Anti-Israel throngs publicly cheered the Hamas atrocities and marched behind banners bearing Palestinian flags and the words “By Any Means Necessary.” A tenured Columbia professor waxed ecstatic over the murders, rapes, and abductions of Israelis, which he called “astounding,” “awesome,” and “victories of the resistance.” More than 140 other faculty members signed a letter defending the barbaric assault as a legitimate “military action” against the Jewish state.

The reason they think like this, is that they buy the lie that "this land is stolen", and that the Israelis are there illegally. That's the foundationt that their "reasoning" is built on.

Naturally, if you ask these Columbia teachers, living on Manhattan Island if they "stole" their current homes (and Columbia itself) from the Native Americans....you'll get a funny look.

The sad, sad thing about this is that had the Palestinians simply let things go, and NEVER committed decades of terrorism? They would have access to every inch of Israel, and could live there in peace....and all the current problems would NEVER have happened. No one would have noticed.

They chose another path.

Actually, I think the Dutch paid to the local natives $24 for Manhattan....or more recently the estimate was $951.08
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/126 ... -bought-24

A. You buy that? B. Jewish folks paid cash for large chunks or Israel, too. And if you'd ask them to buy Gaza? What do you suppose they'd say? C. the war made all of this irrelevant, as did wars all over Earth that moved borders around thousands of times over the years. Rome "owned" Israel long before Islam was founded. Does Italy get "their land back"?

were you thinking that Kismet was arguing?
or just a little pedantic nit over "stole" and Manhattan?

A nit. Which is why I did the laughing thingie. The man knows his US history.

Correctomundo
Thx for the nod on my grasp of history.

BTW - I suspect the natives thought they pulled one over on those silly Dutchmen. After all, they got more value when they sold than the Dutch got from the English. BTW When the Brits took over and renamed the place New York they paid the Dutch exactly zippo/nada/nothing

[DMac]

Is America a racist nation? I'm thinkin' my old timer buddy Morgan would answer yes to that. Morgan is a regular down at the watering hole, stops in for a beer and a couple of martinis then drives himself home (lives abt a mile away), he's 82 or 83, can't remember which for sure. A walking relatively recent history book, born and raised in Cuse. Grew up real close to SU, saw Jimmy Brown play hoops and football. Morgan's memory is great, I like talking to him. Lacrosse fan, both M & W, still watches on TV (good excuse to visit the watering hole too).
Morgan was telling us a little story on Monday (pre game visit to the bar....it's the good American thing to do, ya know) about when he was in the Army stationed down in Georgia (can't remember what base, wasn't Benning though) back in the 50s. Said he was in uniform and caught a bus to head back to base at the time of evening when every other soldier was catching a bus to get back base. Said the bus was full so headed to the back to get a seat. Said the bus driver hollered, "Hey boy!!! Get back to the front of the bus, whites don't sit back where the n*ggers do!!! If there's no seats hang on to the pole." Of course, as a NY boy, he said he found it shocking, uncomfortable, and just wrong. Went on to talk about white and black fountains, restaurants, etc, and the general attitude of those good ol' Georgia folk. Told him I could hear that bus driver as I lived down there as a kid (Ft. Benning) which had to have been close to the time he was there, saw the fountains and felt the attitude of the Georgians. My buddy who was with us said the story sent shivers down his spine (Cuse boy born and raised) just thinking of how not so long ago that was. Point of the story is, how much differently did the bus driver's kids think in the 60s, and their kids in the 80s, and so on down the line including 2024? A racist nation? Is for sure, some places more so than others.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Point of the story is, how much differently did the bus driver's kids think in the 60s, and their kids in the 80s, and so on down the line including 2024? A racist nation? Is for sure, some places more so than others.

I'll bet a good number of those bus drivers are still alive and kicking (and voting). These high schoolers from 1957 are in their early 80's today. Just a year or two older than Biden & Trump.

We've made a lot of progress, but 60 years is still a blink of an eye and tigers rarely change their stripes. The white girl yelling though? Made up and became friends with the black girl she was yelling at.

[MDlaxfan76]

Interesting story: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/02 ... cnnphotos/