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Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:31 pm
by Farfromgeneva
DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:19 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:43 am
while they may have done this and it looks like they did, running selections based on conferences and not teams is antithetical.
it's also expressly against selection rules (which we all know were thrown out the window). of it was ever communicated, i'd like to see it. time of year for wins and losses is also a no no.
of course, every year we get the committee head showing what a gummed up process it is from what's supposed to happen. this year, they take a small cowpie of a mess and make it worse, track it inside.
With limited inter conference play, I am not sure the committee had much of an option this year. People can complain about the ACC getting all the teams in, but this was obvious after SU beat Virginia and had a winning record. That only leaves 3 other AL bids, which everyone knows. They committee did not have that many options.
I like Tim Leonard's transparency, but it invites even more criticism.
I wish the number of D1 teams would support a 24 team bracket with first round byes. But, that is the role that the conference championships play. And when teams don't make the championship finals, it hurts the team's chances of getting an AL.
The ACC needs to pick up another team or get a waiver to have a 4 team playoff bracket in my opinion.
We lost Furman, losing Hartford and I suspect Hampton soon. Even relatively successful programs like St Joes are at risk so much more likely we lose and at large then gain one anytime soon.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:35 pm
by 10stone5
DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:19 pm
I wish the number of D1 teams
would support a 24 team bracket
with first round byes.
That number is too large.
The NCAA wouldn’t accept that.
We’d need closer to 100 DI programs.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:42 pm
by wgdsr
DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:20 pm
Wheels wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:52 am
The only way the Top 4 ACC teams can play each other is if they make the Final 4. That's all you need to know about how the committee balanced the bracket.
Had ND been the 5-seed, which is where most people thought they'd be, we'd have gotten UVA-ND in South Bend for the QF (a rematch at the same location of UVA's 12-11 win). So the committee flipped ND and Georgetown.
Hence Leonard's inability to articulate MD's and ND's seeds. Both were under-seeded by one.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks for pointing it out.
if the committee did nothing else right, once they got the field they pushed out as many conference matchups as they could, what have been advocating for given their stance on ooc scheduling.
patriot, b1g, big east and acc all run out on opposite sides.
would not have cared if terps were number 1 as a result of this. where maryland ran into an issue is the high profile of the #1 seed with zero ooc, and then anything #s other than an undefeated record.
the unc/duke mirror image thing is bogus. if you're gonna do eye test and late season games mean more, then you do that. but that's what ya get when this is how you set a tournament.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 12:47 pm
by DU-fan
10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:35 pm
DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:19 pm
I wish the number of D1 teams
would support a 24 team bracket
with first round byes.
That number is too large.
The NCAA wouldn’t accept that.
We’d need closer to 100 DI programs.
I know. I just thought I would bring it up because it someone does every year at this time.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 1:23 pm
by kramerica.inc
I think the NCAA shoots for about 18-20% tournament participation.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:24 pm
by AreaLax
According to IL podcast 4 teams have been told to stay in their Covid-19 protocol as replacement teams. Tournament teams have to pass their test by tonight
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:27 pm
by 10stone5
yikes
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:29 pm
by Husky1
Has anybody had problems buying tickets for Final 4 @ Rentschler Field?
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
by bananas
Why not 24 ? Give byes to top eight seeds , have 9-24 play mid week games if necessary.
Did I hear correctly that gals had 29 teams in their tournament?
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:39 pm
by wgdsr
bananas wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
Why not 24 ? Give byes to top eight seeds , have 9-24 play mid week games if necessary.
Did I hear correctly that gals had 29 teams in their tournament?
32 and you don't have to have any byes.
the acc should have to have 6 teams or no at larges allowed. why are they special?
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:42 pm
by pcowlax
bananas wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
Why not 24 ? Give byes to top eight seeds , have 9-24 play mid week games if necessary.
Did I hear correctly that gals had 29 teams in their tournament?
The NCAA has a fairly consistent number of teams they want in post-season tournaments as a percentage of total teams playing in that division. 24 with the current number of D1 teams would be too high of a percentage. Would likely need 100-105 teams to justify that many. Of course, this is just their preference, it is not any sort of codified rule as far as I know.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:53 pm
by bananas
Assume it has something to do with their 30-1 occ record but adding another to acc is overdue. Having AQ stirs more interest in season but some inclusions dont necessarily represent the best field. Going to 24 solves that issue and a top eight seed should enjoy a bye while prelims gets field quickly back to 16.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 3:30 pm
by HooDat
The conference tournaments ARE the play-in games....
An all ACC Final Four is in the cards....
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 3:52 pm
by FMUBart
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:39 pm
bananas wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
Why not 24 ? Give byes to top eight seeds , have 9-24 play mid week games if necessary.
Did I hear correctly that gals had 29 teams in their tournament?
32 and you don't have to have any byes.
the acc should have to have 6 teams or no at larges allowed. why are they special?
Because they're good...
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 3:54 pm
by fsclax
I don't understand all the talk about how impressive the ACC's 34-1 Out of Conference record is. As a group they beat 7-5 Denver twice, 9-5 Loyola once and split with 7-4 Army. The other 30 OOC wins were against teams that any contender is expected to beat, and beat every time. Did they play a single OOC game against anyone who could be considered a contender? (Denver's big win of the season was at home against Georgetown, who they then lost to twice.)
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:06 pm
by wgdsr
fsclax wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:54 pm
I don't understand all the talk about how impressive the ACC's 34-1 Out of Conference record is. As a group they beat 7-5 Denver twice, 9-5 Loyola once and split with 7-4 Army. The other 30 OOC wins were against teams that any contender is expected to beat, and beat every time. Did they play a single OOC game against anyone who could be considered a contender? (Denver's big win of the season was at home against Georgetown, who they then lost to twice.)
who do you like out there, fsc?
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:08 pm
by Farfromgeneva
FMUBart wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:52 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:39 pm
bananas wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:36 pm
Why not 24 ? Give byes to top eight seeds , have 9-24 play mid week games if necessary.
Did I hear correctly that gals had 29 teams in their tournament?
32 and you don't have to have any byes.
the acc should have to have 6 teams or no at larges allowed. why are they special?
Because they're good...
True but not a defense of special rules applying. WG is right on this however it's of minimal consequence if they just squeeze into a second play-in game as they've done a few years. Even w/o the extra play in game it returns one theoretical bid in a year where all five would qualify which is not insignificant but doesnt change the fact that at least half the at larges would land there in a year like this.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:10 pm
by Farfromgeneva
fsclax wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:54 pm
I don't understand all the talk about how impressive the ACC's 34-1 Out of Conference record is. As a group they beat 7-5 Denver twice, 9-5 Loyola once and split with 7-4 Army. The other 30 OOC wins were against teams that any contender is expected to beat, and beat every time. Did they play a single OOC game against anyone who could be considered a contender? (Denver's big win of the season was at home against Georgetown, who they then lost to twice.)
You mean 12-4 7 seed Denver who'd smoke JHU/PSU/OSU and I think would take RU 7/10 times this season? Loyola who beat 5 seed Big east champ Georgetown and is in the tourney as an at large? It's all heuristics.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:22 pm
by fsclax
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:06 pm
fsclax wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:54 pm
I don't understand all the talk about how impressive the ACC's 34-1 Out of Conference record is. As a group they beat 7-5 Denver twice, 9-5 Loyola once and split with 7-4 Army. The other 30 OOC wins were against teams that any contender is expected to beat, and beat every time. Did they play a single OOC game against anyone who could be considered a contender? (Denver's big win of the season was at home against Georgetown, who they then lost to twice.)
who do you like out there, fsc?
No surprises, Carolina, MD or Duke. Just think the 34-1 hype is nonsense.
Re: 2021 NCAA Tournament
Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:25 pm
by wgdsr
fsclax wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:22 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:06 pm
fsclax wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 3:54 pm
I don't understand all the talk about how impressive the ACC's 34-1 Out of Conference record is. As a group they beat 7-5 Denver twice, 9-5 Loyola once and split with 7-4 Army. The other 30 OOC wins were against teams that any contender is expected to beat, and beat every time. Did they play a single OOC game against anyone who could be considered a contender? (Denver's big win of the season was at home against Georgetown, who they then lost to twice.)
who do you like out there, fsc?
No surprises, Carolina, MD or Duke. Just think the 34-1 hype is nonsense.
i like hype sometimes. where is it all?