2021 NCAA Tournament

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Henpecked wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:06 pm
DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:46 pm Current RPI and SOS ranking on laxbytes:
http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rating01.php

It is too early for RPI and I doubt it will ever be very helpful this year.

Current RPI: http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rpi01.php
Maryland is currently ranked 29th because Michigan and PSU are both 0-2.
RPI is garbage.
using rpi 1,2 or 5 games into a season is useless. every year. once teams play double digit games and have hundreds of ooc, it means something.

it certainly means more than the eye test from assoc ad's in the midwest that played softball.

any mid-major (like du) coach better hope they're great friends with the couple coaches on the committee. great way to decide seasons.
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wgdsr wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:50 pm
Henpecked wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:06 pm
DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:46 pm Current RPI and SOS ranking on laxbytes:
http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rating01.php

It is too early for RPI and I doubt it will ever be very helpful this year.

Current RPI: http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rpi01.php
Maryland is currently ranked 29th because Michigan and PSU are both 0-2.
RPI is garbage.
using rpi 1,2 or 5 games into a season is useless. every year. once teams play double digit games and have hundreds of ooc, it means something.

it certainly means more than the eye test from assoc ad's in the midwest that played softball.

any mid-major (like du) coach better hope they're great friends with the couple coaches on the committee. great way to decide seasons.
I would argue that you need 20 games with more open scheduling for RPI to work. It will be misleading at best. Time will tell... But, I have never seen it work in lacrosse in a normal season.
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DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:34 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:50 pm
Henpecked wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:06 pm
DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:46 pm Current RPI and SOS ranking on laxbytes:
http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rating01.php

It is too early for RPI and I doubt it will ever be very helpful this year.

Current RPI: http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rpi01.php
Maryland is currently ranked 29th because Michigan and PSU are both 0-2.
RPI is garbage.
using rpi 1,2 or 5 games into a season is useless. every year. once teams play double digit games and have hundreds of ooc, it means something.

it certainly means more than the eye test from assoc ad's in the midwest that played softball.

any mid-major (like du) coach better hope they're great friends with the couple coaches on the committee. great way to decide seasons.
I would argue that you need 20 games with more open scheduling for RPI to work. It will be misleading at best. Time will tell... But, I have never seen it work in lacrosse in a normal season.
LaxBytes / LaxNumbers / LaxPower of course isn’t actually
nonsense or garbage or whatever.

The ratings is how laf from LaxPower was actually able to
get Laxpower off the ground and running, and how they
were able to operate that site, and most importantly for
a lot here, the Laxpower forums, for 20 years.

Now it is likely that you’ll never get any valid measures
this year because of the lack of “enough” games and the
lack of cross conference games with certain conferences,
most notably The Big Ten.

Which in the case of the tallying up of 8 at large NCAA
tournament bids this year as well as tournament seedings,
the tournament committee will have to resort to any
manner of subjective measures - and, yeah, you’re going
to have a lot of coaches actively lobbying the selection
committee to get their teams in the tournament.
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Bucknell says hello.
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10stone5 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:43 am
DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:34 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:50 pm
Henpecked wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:06 pm
DU-fan wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:46 pm Current RPI and SOS ranking on laxbytes:
http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rating01.php

It is too early for RPI and I doubt it will ever be very helpful this year.

Current RPI: http://www.laxbytes.com/OUTPUT/SERVER/men/rpi01.php
Maryland is currently ranked 29th because Michigan and PSU are both 0-2.
RPI is garbage.
using rpi 1,2 or 5 games into a season is useless. every year. once teams play double digit games and have hundreds of ooc, it means something.

it certainly means more than the eye test from assoc ad's in the midwest that played softball.

any mid-major (like du) coach better hope they're great friends with the couple coaches on the committee. great way to decide seasons.
I would argue that you need 20 games with more open scheduling for RPI to work. It will be misleading at best. Time will tell... But, I have never seen it work in lacrosse in a normal season.
LaxBytes / LaxNumbers / LaxPower of course isn’t actually
nonsense or garbage or whatever.

The ratings is how laf from LaxPower was actually able to
get Laxpower off the ground and running, and how they
were able to operate that site, and most importantly for
a lot here, the Laxpower forums, for 20 years.

Now it is likely that you’ll never get any valid measures
this year because of the lack of “enough” games and the
lack of cross conference games with certain conferences,
most notably The Big Ten.

Which in the case of the tallying up of 8 at large NCAA
tournament bids this year as well as tournament seedings,
the tournament committee will have to resort to any
manner of subjective measures - and, yeah, you’re going
to have a lot of coaches actively lobbying the selection
committee to get their teams in the tournament.
why will they "have to"? and the committee chair said several years ago, flatly, they're not allowed to.

why is it not "enough"? what's enough? who has that number, i'd love to know? is it 20 (not 19 or 23 but an exact multiple of 10 20... weird). is it the 14 to 16 we had before that's the minimum with the exact amount of ooc we had before?

if so, we should count ourselves very lucky that we had either the bare minimum we needed or just over it. and it's sad we came under the magic number this year.

what are those magic numbers that we need to reach before we have to go eye test?
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This season is meaningless anyway.
N$$A should scratch the whole playoff TV show scam this year ! :lol:
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jrn19 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:03 am
VMI in the SoCon if they ever play will be playing conference only
Not sure it matters but what conference you are looking at? VMI plays 4 out of conference games and won the first one today.
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Dip&Dunk wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:26 pm
jrn19 wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:03 am
VMI in the SoCon if they ever play will be playing conference only
Not sure it matters but what conference you are looking at? VMI plays 4 out of conference games and won the first one today.
I thought they were still out due to the wave of COVID postponements they had. Glad they finally started up
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“plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.“ — JB Kerr

Follow the rich white man...
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:42 pm “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.“ — JB Kerr

Follow the rich white man...
Wow. What the <insert word> are you trying to do?

If you are going to troll, at least get the name right.
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Dip&Dunk wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:01 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:42 pm “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.“ — JB Kerr

Follow the rich white man...
Wow. What the <insert word> are you trying to do?

If you are going to troll, at least get the name right.
À chacun son goût.
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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Interesting side note the NCAA soccer committee to hold the men’s and women’s tournament together all in one location. Have to think other sports are thinking about this also.


The Division I Competition Oversight Committee on Wednesday approved a proposal that would consolidate the Division I Men’s and Women’s Soccer Championships by having all 48 women’s teams and all 36 men’s teams compete in Cary, North Carolina, and the surrounding areas.
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... h-carolina
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Not good news for future NCAA games and tournament play....

FARGO, N.D. -- The NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Committee, in consultation with the NCAA Medical Advisory Group, announced on Friday (March 26) the No. 8-ranked and No. 2-seeded University of Michigan ice hockey team will not be allowed to participate in the 2020-21 NCAA Championship due to positive COVID-19 test results within U-M's Tier I testing group.


https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/3/26/ice- ... 7E5P3T13oc
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a fan wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:35 pm Not good news for future NCAA games and tournament play....

FARGO, N.D. -- The NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Committee, in consultation with the NCAA Medical Advisory Group, announced on Friday (March 26) the No. 8-ranked and No. 2-seeded University of Michigan ice hockey team will not be allowed to participate in the 2020-21 NCAA Championship due to positive COVID-19 test results within U-M's Tier I testing group.


https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/3/26/ice- ... 7E5P3T13oc
2nd team pulled out that also have lacrosse teams

Notre Dame Pulled From NCAA Tournament Due to COVID Protocols -
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/ ... m-NCAA.php
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On the bright side the NCAA wrestling D1 Championships went off without a single positive test last weekend.
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Around the 38 min Foy talked to NCAA Committee Chair Tim Leonard about how they're approaching the selection criteria this season.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i ... %2F7832798
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I’ll listen in, but guessing that the usual numbers will
still be employed this year, that RPI is not going away.
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It sounds like they are going to rely more on coaches input and the regional advisory committees.

Not sure what that means except the USILA coaches poll is probably good to watch.

No new information or NCAA tournament information disclosed as far as I can tell.
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https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... more/57580

No specifics yet but looks like the 1st round could be held at a couple of pre-determined sites this year.
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Based on that article, I think the at-large field is going to look a lot like whatever the coaches poll is on May 8.

Who's on the "regional advisory committee" this year? I believe it's usually one coach from each conference.

A first round of games featuring all teams at Towson/Loyola/Hopkins would be fun. From a travel, facility, and broadcast standpoint Baltimore would be the best option. Philly a close second. Hopefully fans are allowed wherever the games are held.
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