2021 Rankings

[RedFromMI]

What the SSC is doing with conference only games is not completely uncommon in this pandemic year. I believe the NE10 is doing something similar as well.

With reduced schedules anyway, the number of out of conference games is more limited than what you would get in a normal year. Just makes the selection process harder, and maybe a bit more "iffy" to appropriately determine the teams asked to the dance, so to speak.

Agree Red to a point. Look at UMO https://umotrojans.com/sports/mens-lacrosse/schedule. They have their conference games, but did well with outside conference selections in Wingate, Queens, Catawba and CMU. IMO Tampa could have scheduled outside games but choose not to. Might hurt them come section time when the strength of schedule counts...

But if the Conference (and the member university presidents who control the policy) wanted to do it this way Tampa would have no recourse. I suspect that may very well be what is going on...

For the last several years the SSC is one of the strongest conferences according to my calculations of the KRACH ratings. But if there are truly no OOC games for the SSC, it will be quite interesting how the algorithms that the NCAA uses will evaluate their records...

[WhiteCarrera]

Jakester and Red -- I know in the case of the GLVC it was a conference decision, and there was no flexibility for member schools. Knowing Tampa's typical schedule, my guess is that the SSC did the same.

[Lacrossehead17]

How many at large bids are there this year? and it will be interesting with conferences in the SAC because that conference is going to brutal and a conference like the GLVC which is top heavy.

[RedFromMI]

How many at large bids are there this year? and it will be interesting with conferences in the SAC because that conference is going to brutal and a conference like the GLVC which is top heavy.

All places in the tourney are at large. 5 North, 5 South region. No AQs.

[RedFromMI]

USILA Week 4:

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Rank Team 	 	Record Points (FPV) Last Week
 1 Le Moyne 		 0-0 	518(24) 1
 2 Tampa 		 0-0 	483(2) 	2
 3 Seton Hill 		 1-0 	444 	4
 4 Mercyhurst 		 0-0 	438 	3
 5 Adelphi 	 	 0-0 	382 	6
 6 Wingate 		 3-0 	380 	11
 7 Lenoir-Rhyne 	 2-1* 	338 	7
 8 Mount Olive 		 4-0 	337 	9
 9 Mercy 		 0-0 	312 	8
10 Pace 		 0-1 	249 	12
11 Indianapolis 	 1-0 	247 	10
12 Limestone 		 2-1 	246 	5
13 Rockhurst 		 3-0 	202 	14
14 Queens 	 	 1-1 	156 	15
15 Colo. Mesa 	 	 0-0 	111 	16
16 Belmont Abbey 	 1-2 	99 	17
17 Lindenwood		 2-1 	94 	13
18 Saint Anselm	 	 0-0 	80 	19
19 Frostburg State  	 1-0 	65 	N/R
20 Maryville		 2-0 	63 	N/R

Also receiving votes: Florida Southern (59), Catawba (21), Molloy (19), Bentley (17), Rollins (15), Saint Leo (14), Tusculum (11), Florida Tech (10), Assumption (9), Lake Erie (8), Georgian Court (7), Saint Rose (6), Lynn (5), Newberry (4), North Greenville (3), and Roberts Wesleyan (3).

N/R = Not Ranked

The loss for Lenoir-Rhyne is against a DI opponent, and will have no bearing on NCAA selection.

[RedFromMI]

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Rank 	Team 	 Record Points (FPV) 	Last Week
 1  Le Moyne 	 	0-0 	478 (22) 1
 2  Tampa 	 	0-0 	445 (2)  2
 3  Seton Hill 	 	2-0 	420 	 3
 4  Mercyhurst 	 	1-0 	412 	 4
 5  Adelphi 	 	0-0 	359 	 5
 6  Wingate 	 	4-0 	347 	 6
 7  Lenoir-Rhyne  	3-1 	340 	 7
 8  Mount Olive  	4-0 	309 	 8
 9  Mercy 	 	1-0 	284 	 9
10  Indianapolis 	2-0 	268 	11
11  Pace 	 	0-1 	263 	10
12  Belmont Abbey 	2-2 	171 	16
13  Rockhurst  	 	3-1 	161 	13
14  Colorado Mesa  	0-0 	139 	15
15  Lindenwood 	 	3-1 	112 	17
16  Limestone 	 	2-2 	103 	12
17  Queens (NC) 	1-2 	90 	14
18  Saint Anselm 	0-0 	73 	18
19  Frostburg State 	2-0 	70 	19
20  Maryville 	 	3-0 	57 	20

Also receiving votes: Florida Southern (29), Molloy (12), Saint Leo (11), Georgian Court (11), Bentley (10), Rollins (10), Florida Tech (9), Roberts Wesleyan (8), Saint Rose (7), Lynn (5), Newberry (5), Catawba (4), Assumption (2), Lake Erie (2), Coker (2), and North Greenville (1).

N/R = Not Ranked

[Matnum PI]

Obviously it's early but I don't like when teams haven't played a game yet they're #1 and #2. But this will be resolved soon enough...

[WhiteCarrera]

Obviously it's early but I don't like when teams haven't played a game yet they're #1 and #2. But this will be resolved soon enough...

Agreed - but so then, do you rank them at all? I don't know what the answer is, but it's kinda funny that there are four teams in the top eleven with a combined record of 0-1.

Even once they start playing, how long does Tampa get the ranking benefit of past seasons? It's an effect of the pandemic for sure, but Tampa could very well end the year 10-0 with zero wins against ranked opponents, AND be ranked #1 simply because they started there on reputation.

[D2fan]

Obviously it's early but I don't like when teams haven't played a game yet they're #1 and #2. But this will be resolved soon enough...

Agreed - but so then, do you rank them at all? I don't know what the answer is, but it's kinda funny that there are four teams in the top eleven with a combined record of 0-1.

Even once they start playing, how long does Tampa get the ranking benefit of past seasons? It's an effect of the pandemic for sure, but Tampa could very well end the year 10-0 with zero wins against ranked opponents, AND be ranked #1 simply because they started there on reputation.

The USILA Polls is by the coaches, and I don't think polling will affect the overall brackets. A couple years ago Tampa/ finished the season ranked higher than St. Leo's in the poll, but St. Leo's hosted Tampa due to regional criteria.

I've also seen in recent weeks schools like Florida Southern and other SSC schools fall out of the rankings because the polling coaches value the wins of Maryville and others. I am sure the polling coaches watch many of the D2 games and make their selections on observations.

I could see the winner of the Mercyhurst/Seton Hill game or the winner of Lenoir Rhyne/Wingate overtaking Tampa/Le Moyne in the polls in the coming weeks.

Still very odd Le Moyne does not have their schedule posted.

[RedFromMI]

Obviously it's early but I don't like when teams haven't played a game yet they're #1 and #2. But this will be resolved soon enough...

Agreed - but so then, do you rank them at all? I don't know what the answer is, but it's kinda funny that there are four teams in the top eleven with a combined record of 0-1.

Even once they start playing, how long does Tampa get the ranking benefit of past seasons? It's an effect of the pandemic for sure, but Tampa could very well end the year 10-0 with zero wins against ranked opponents, AND be ranked #1 simply because they started there on reputation.

The USILA Polls is by the coaches, and I don't think polling will affect the overall brackets. A couple years ago Tampa/ finished the season ranked higher than St. Leo's in the poll, but St. Leo's hosted Tampa due to regional criteria.

I've also seen in recent weeks schools like Florida Southern and other SSC schools fall out of the rankings because the polling coaches value the wins of Maryville and others. I am sure the polling coaches watch many of the D2 games and make their selections on observations.

I could see the winner of the Mercyhurst/Seton Hill game or the winner of Lenoir Rhyne/Wingate overtaking Tampa/Le Moyne in the polls in the coming weeks.

Still very odd Le Moyne does not have their schedule posted.

First, there is NO bearing on the selections for the NCAA tourney from any poll, coaches or otherwise in DII. You can go to ncaa.org, and under DII->Championships find any particular sport and when available download the PreChampionship manual (last I checked they still had last year's version). It has all the criteria used, and I don't think there were any changes last year.

Le Moyne's schedule is actually available (along with all the other NE10 schools) at: https://www.northeast10.org/sports/mlax ... 1/schedule

[Matnum PI]

Tampa could very well end the year 10-0 with zero wins against ranked opponents, AND be ranked #1 simply because they started there on reputation.

[RedFromMI]

March 15 poll:

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Rank Team		Total	Record	Last Week
 1  LeMoyne (20)	493	0-0	 1
 2  Tampa (4)		466	0-0	 2
 3  SetonHill (1)	444	3-0	 3
 4  Mercyhurst		435	2-0	 4
 5  Lenoir-Rhyne	363	4-1	 7
 6  Adelphi		361	0-0	 5
 7  Mount Olive		347	5-0	 8
 8  Mercy		314	2-0	 9
 9  Wingate		288	4-1	 6
10  Pace		252	0-1	11
11  Lindenwood		202	4-1	15
12T Belmont Abbey	196	3-2	12
12T Queens (NC)		196	3-2	17
14  Maryville		168	4-0	20
15T Indianapolis	148	2-1	10
15T Limestone		148	4-2	16
17  Colorado Mesa	105	2-1	14
18  Saint Anselm	 78	0-0	18
19  Rockhurst		 64	3-2	13
20  Frostburg State	 54	2-0	19

Also receiving votes: Florida Southern 45, Westminster 13, Rollins 11, Newberry 10, Coker 9, Saint Leo 8, Bentley 6, Florida Tech 6, Lynn 6, Catawba 5, Chestnut Hill 3, Molloy 3, Coker 2, Georgian Court 1, Roberts Wesleyan 1, Assumption 1, North Greenville 1

[Lacrossehead17]

I wonder will Seton Hill and Adelphi will fall after this weekend Loses they both took.

[River Donkey]

I wonder will Seton Hill and Adelphi will fall after this weekend Loses they both took.

I doubt it, they lost to higher ranked teams.

[ToastDunk]

I wonder will Seton Hill and Adelphi will fall after this weekend Loses they both took.

I doubt it, they lost to higher ranked teams.

Just for clarification, Seton Hill was ranked ahead of Hurst going into this matchup.

[River Donkey]

I wonder will Seton Hill and Adelphi will fall after this weekend Loses they both took.

I doubt it, they lost to higher ranked teams.

Just for clarification, Seton Hill was ranked ahead of Hurst going into this matchup.

Seton Hill was 3 and Hurst 4, they shouldn’t be penalized as heavily as they were. On a different note, how is Mount Olive ranked so high?

[RedFromMI]

22-Mar-21


March 15 poll:

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Rank Team		Total	Record	Last Week
 1	LeMoyne		454	0-0	 1	
 2	Tampa		433	1-0	 2
 3	Mercyhurst	423	3-0	 4
 4	Lenoir-Rhyne	381	6-1	 5	
 5	Seton Hill	332	3-1	 3
 6	MountOlive	329	6-0	 7
 7	Adelphi		303	0-0	 6
 8	Wingate		290	5-1	 9
 9	Mercy		269	4-0	 8
10	Pace		257	1-1	10
11	Lindenwood	219	5-1	11
12	Maryville	182	5-0	14
13	Belmont Abbey	170	5-2	12
14	Indianapolis	161	4-1	15T
15	Limestone	145	5-2	15T
16	Queens (NC)	113	3-3	12
17	Colorado Mesa	 92	2-1	17
18	Frostburg State	 69	2-0	20
19	Saint Anselm	 60	0-0	18
20	Rockhurst	 44	3-3	19

Also receiving votes: Florida Southern 27, Lynn 22, Westminster 13, Newberry 11, Bentley 7, Florida Tech 6, Rollins 5, Chestnut Hill 3, Molloy 3, Catawba 2, Coker 1, Roberts Wesleyan 1, Georgian Court 1, North Greenville 1

[RedFromMI]

29-Mar-21

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Rank Team (FPV)		Total	Record	Last Week
 1	LeMoyne (10)	434	3-0	 1	
 2	Tampa (5)	420	2-0	 2
 3	Mercyhurst (1)	399	5-0	 4
 4	Lenoir-Rhyne	381	8-1*	 4
 5	Seton Hill	345	4-1	 5
 6	Mount Olive	321	6-0	 6
 7	Adelphi		304	2-0	 7
 8	Wingate		292	7-1	 8
 9	Mercy		260	5-0	 9
10	Lindenwood	211	6-1	11
11	Pace		210	1-3	10
12	Maryville	194	5-0	12
13	Belmont Abbey	158	6-2	13
14	Indianapolis	152	5-1	14
15	Queens (NC)	113	5-3	16
16	Frostburg State	 96	2-0	18
17	Saint Anselm	 91	2-0	19
18	Colorado Mesa	 88	2-1	17
19	Limestone	 44	5-3	15
20	Rockhurst	 26	4-3	20

Also receiving votes: Lynn 23, Newberry 21, Florida Southern 19, Westminster 13, Bentley 6, Chestnut Hill 6,Saint Leo 6, Georgian Court 3, Roberts Wesleyan 1, North Greenville 1,Coker 1

* LR's loss is actually an exhibition with a DI team, and should not be counted...

[RedFromMI]

4/5/2021 poll (week 9) USILA:

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   Team (FPV) 		Record 	Points 	Last Week
 1 Le Moyne (14) 	 4-0 	451 	 1
 2 Tampa (9) 	 	 4-0 	442 	 2
 3 Mercyhurst (1) 	 6-0 	414 	 3
 4 Lenoir-Rhyne 	 9-1 	369 	 4
 5 Seton Hill 	 	 5-1 	354 	 5
 6 Wingate 	 	 9-1 	316 	 8
 7 Adelphi 	 	 3-1 	315 	 7
 8 Mercy 	 	 5-0 	288 	 9
 9 Lindenwood 	  	 6-1 	235 	10
10 Pace 	 	 2-3 	217 	11
11 Indianapolis 	 7-1 	216 	14
12 Mount Olive 	 	 6-1 	204 	 6
13 Belmont Abbey 	 7-2 	199 	13
14 Saint Anselm 	 4-0 	133 	17
15 Maryville 	  	 5-2 	131 	12
16 Frostburg State 	 5-1 	121 	16
17 Queens (NC) 	 	 6-3 	119 	15
18 Colorado Mesa 	 3-1 	87 	18
19 Lynn 		 3-0 	27 	N/R
20 Limestone 	 	 5-3 	26 	19

Also receiving votes: North Greenville (23), Florida Southern (19), Bentley (17), Westminster (13), Saint Leo (12), Newberry (11), Molloy (11), Rockhurst (9), Chestnut Hill (9), Georgian Court (8), Assumption (8), Lake Erie (6), Rollins (5), and Roberts Wesleyan (2).

N/R = Not Ranked

[RedFromMI]

12-Apr-21

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Rank	Team		Pts	Record	Last Week
 1	Le Moyne (17)	471	 6-0	 1
 2	Tampa (4)	451	 6-0	 2
 3	Mercyhurst (3)	444	 7-0	 3
 4	Seton Hill	378	 5-1	 5
 5	Wingate		370	10-1	 6
 6	Lenoir-Rhyne	348	10-2	 4
 6	Adelphi		348	 4-1	 7
 8	Mercy		298	 5-0	 8
 9	Lindenwood	266	 7-1	 9
10	Indianapolis	222	 7-1	11
11	Belmont Abbey	215	 8-2	13
12	Mount Olive	203	 8-1	12
13	Pace		184	 2-5	10
14	Saint Anselm	171	 6-0	14
15	Frostburg State	118	 5-1	16
16	Maryville	103	 6-3	15
17	Lynn		 92	 3-1	19
18	Colorado Mesa	 86	 6-1	18
19	Limestone	 78	 8-3	20
20	Queens (NC)	 53	 7-4	17

Also receiving votes: Bentley 34, Newberry 22, Rollins 17, Westminster 13, Molloy 13, Chestnut Hill 11, Assumption 9, Lake Erie 8, Florida Tech 7, North Greenville 4, Roberts Wesleyan 3, Coker 3, Georgian Court 2, Rockhurst 1