The Abortion Thread

[Brooklyn]

The same idiots saying, “don’t have sex and you won’t get pregnant,” believe in a religion based upon the idea that a woman didn’t have sex and got pregnant.

Based on a book which tolerates or applauds rape, onanism, and incest. Very ironic, indeed.

[jhu72]

For those interested, NPR - Marist congressional tracking poll has generic democrat leading generic republiCON by 7% for congress. This has changed significantly since April. Moving in the democrat's favor in both May and June. Thank you supreme court.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don’t tell Clint.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... rtions-are

On friday america’s Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark decision in 1973 that enshrined the right to an abortion. Although most Americans think women should be allowed a termination in some circumstances, public debate on the issue has become increasingly fraught. Many Americans are uninformed on the details of abortion.

This ignorance means they are unaware that most abortions in America are carried out with medication, rather than by surgery. According to a survey by the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, the share of terminations carried out with pills rose from 39% in 2017 to 54% in 2020 (the latest year for which data are available). That does not include the illicit market for these drugs, meaning the rate is probably even higher. And it has almost certainly risen further since. In April 2021 the Food and Drug Administration announced that it would allow abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. The image of women walking into abortion clinics to end a pregnancy, though highly politicised, is only part of the picture.

It still has a grip on the popular imagination, nonetheless. According to a recent survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of The Economist, 38% of Americans reckoned that surgical termination was most common. Only 14% of respondents thought most abortions were performed with medication. A political divide exists too. Both Democrats and Republicans underestimated the prevalence of medication abortions, but Republicans were further off the mark. Only 13% said medication was the most common method compared with 21% of Democrats (the share of Trump voters who thought so was as low as 8%).

Respondents in Europe had a better understanding of the procedure. In Britain, where 65% of abortions are carried out with a pill, 42% of respondents correctly identified it as the most common method. Although the French, Swedes and Danes all underestimated the prevalence of medication abortion in their countries, they too were far closer than the Americans.

Americans are also ill-informed about the safety of abortions—again, more so than their European counterparts. A study in 2015 by researchers at Planned Parenthood and Princeton University found that only 0.01% of women who took abortion pills experienced complications that required hospitalisation. This number is comparable to—or by some estimates slightly lower than—the frequency of problems arising from surgical abortions. Yet just 14% of Americans polled by YouGov considered medication abortions to be “very safe”, and a plurality was unsure about their reliability. Respondents were twice as likely to consider surgical abortions very safe. Those polled across six European countries rated both medication and surgical abortion as safer than Americans did.

Friday’s decision means states now have the power to draft their own abortion legislation. At least 13 will implement “trigger laws” to restrict access to the procedure; eventually, the Guttmacher Institute reckons, more than half of America’s states may ban abortion. In the fraught and never-ending debate over how women end pregnancies, lawmakers should remember that most of them simply take two pills with a glass of water, and that the process is remarkably safe.

[PizzaSnake]

Don’t tell Clint.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... rtions-are

On friday america’s Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark decision in 1973 that enshrined the right to an abortion. Although most Americans think women should be allowed a termination in some circumstances, public debate on the issue has become increasingly fraught. Many Americans are uninformed on the details of abortion.

This ignorance means they are unaware that most abortions in America are carried out with medication, rather than by surgery. According to a survey by the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, the share of terminations carried out with pills rose from 39% in 2017 to 54% in 2020 (the latest year for which data are available). That does not include the illicit market for these drugs, meaning the rate is probably even higher. And it has almost certainly risen further since. In April 2021 the Food and Drug Administration announced that it would allow abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. The image of women walking into abortion clinics to end a pregnancy, though highly politicised, is only part of the picture.

It still has a grip on the popular imagination, nonetheless. According to a recent survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of The Economist, 38% of Americans reckoned that surgical termination was most common. Only 14% of respondents thought most abortions were performed with medication. A political divide exists too. Both Democrats and Republicans underestimated the prevalence of medication abortions, but Republicans were further off the mark. Only 13% said medication was the most common method compared with 21% of Democrats (the share of Trump voters who thought so was as low as 8%).

Respondents in Europe had a better understanding of the procedure. In Britain, where 65% of abortions are carried out with a pill, 42% of respondents correctly identified it as the most common method. Although the French, Swedes and Danes all underestimated the prevalence of medication abortion in their countries, they too were far closer than the Americans.

Americans are also ill-informed about the safety of abortions—again, more so than their European counterparts. A study in 2015 by researchers at Planned Parenthood and Princeton University found that only 0.01% of women who took abortion pills experienced complications that required hospitalisation. This number is comparable to—or by some estimates slightly lower than—the frequency of problems arising from surgical abortions. Yet just 14% of Americans polled by YouGov considered medication abortions to be “very safe”, and a plurality was unsure about their reliability. Respondents were twice as likely to consider surgical abortions very safe. Those polled across six European countries rated both medication and surgical abortion as safer than Americans did.

Friday’s decision means states now have the power to draft their own abortion legislation. At least 13 will implement “trigger laws” to restrict access to the procedure; eventually, the Guttmacher Institute reckons, more than half of America’s states may ban abortion. In the fraught and never-ending debate over how women end pregnancies, lawmakers should remember that most of them simply take two pills with a glass of water, and that the process is remarkably safe.

“Americans are also ill-informed”

Not sure about the “also” part.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don’t tell Clint.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... rtions-are

On friday america’s Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark decision in 1973 that enshrined the right to an abortion. Although most Americans think women should be allowed a termination in some circumstances, public debate on the issue has become increasingly fraught. Many Americans are uninformed on the details of abortion.

This ignorance means they are unaware that most abortions in America are carried out with medication, rather than by surgery. According to a survey by the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, the share of terminations carried out with pills rose from 39% in 2017 to 54% in 2020 (the latest year for which data are available). That does not include the illicit market for these drugs, meaning the rate is probably even higher. And it has almost certainly risen further since. In April 2021 the Food and Drug Administration announced that it would allow abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. The image of women walking into abortion clinics to end a pregnancy, though highly politicised, is only part of the picture.

It still has a grip on the popular imagination, nonetheless. According to a recent survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of The Economist, 38% of Americans reckoned that surgical termination was most common. Only 14% of respondents thought most abortions were performed with medication. A political divide exists too. Both Democrats and Republicans underestimated the prevalence of medication abortions, but Republicans were further off the mark. Only 13% said medication was the most common method compared with 21% of Democrats (the share of Trump voters who thought so was as low as 8%).

Respondents in Europe had a better understanding of the procedure. In Britain, where 65% of abortions are carried out with a pill, 42% of respondents correctly identified it as the most common method. Although the French, Swedes and Danes all underestimated the prevalence of medication abortion in their countries, they too were far closer than the Americans.

Americans are also ill-informed about the safety of abortions—again, more so than their European counterparts. A study in 2015 by researchers at Planned Parenthood and Princeton University found that only 0.01% of women who took abortion pills experienced complications that required hospitalisation. This number is comparable to—or by some estimates slightly lower than—the frequency of problems arising from surgical abortions. Yet just 14% of Americans polled by YouGov considered medication abortions to be “very safe”, and a plurality was unsure about their reliability. Respondents were twice as likely to consider surgical abortions very safe. Those polled across six European countries rated both medication and surgical abortion as safer than Americans did.

Friday’s decision means states now have the power to draft their own abortion legislation. At least 13 will implement “trigger laws” to restrict access to the procedure; eventually, the Guttmacher Institute reckons, more than half of America’s states may ban abortion. In the fraught and never-ending debate over how women end pregnancies, lawmakers should remember that most of them simply take two pills with a glass of water, and that the process is remarkably safe.

“Americans are also ill-informed”

Not sure about the “also” part.

I am convinced that there is nothing dumber than a dumb American.

[PizzaSnake]

Don’t tell Clint.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... rtions-are

On friday america’s Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark decision in 1973 that enshrined the right to an abortion. Although most Americans think women should be allowed a termination in some circumstances, public debate on the issue has become increasingly fraught. Many Americans are uninformed on the details of abortion.

This ignorance means they are unaware that most abortions in America are carried out with medication, rather than by surgery. According to a survey by the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, the share of terminations carried out with pills rose from 39% in 2017 to 54% in 2020 (the latest year for which data are available). That does not include the illicit market for these drugs, meaning the rate is probably even higher. And it has almost certainly risen further since. In April 2021 the Food and Drug Administration announced that it would allow abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. The image of women walking into abortion clinics to end a pregnancy, though highly politicised, is only part of the picture.

It still has a grip on the popular imagination, nonetheless. According to a recent survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of The Economist, 38% of Americans reckoned that surgical termination was most common. Only 14% of respondents thought most abortions were performed with medication. A political divide exists too. Both Democrats and Republicans underestimated the prevalence of medication abortions, but Republicans were further off the mark. Only 13% said medication was the most common method compared with 21% of Democrats (the share of Trump voters who thought so was as low as 8%).

Respondents in Europe had a better understanding of the procedure. In Britain, where 65% of abortions are carried out with a pill, 42% of respondents correctly identified it as the most common method. Although the French, Swedes and Danes all underestimated the prevalence of medication abortion in their countries, they too were far closer than the Americans.

Americans are also ill-informed about the safety of abortions—again, more so than their European counterparts. A study in 2015 by researchers at Planned Parenthood and Princeton University found that only 0.01% of women who took abortion pills experienced complications that required hospitalisation. This number is comparable to—or by some estimates slightly lower than—the frequency of problems arising from surgical abortions. Yet just 14% of Americans polled by YouGov considered medication abortions to be “very safe”, and a plurality was unsure about their reliability. Respondents were twice as likely to consider surgical abortions very safe. Those polled across six European countries rated both medication and surgical abortion as safer than Americans did.

Friday’s decision means states now have the power to draft their own abortion legislation. At least 13 will implement “trigger laws” to restrict access to the procedure; eventually, the Guttmacher Institute reckons, more than half of America’s states may ban abortion. In the fraught and never-ending debate over how women end pregnancies, lawmakers should remember that most of them simply take two pills with a glass of water, and that the process is remarkably safe.

“Americans are also ill-informed”

Not sure about the “also” part.

I am convinced that there is nothing dumber than a dumb American.

That’s because they’re “exceptionally” dumb. Nothing but the best.

USA!!USA!!USA!!USA!!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don’t tell Clint.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... rtions-are

On friday america’s Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, the landmark decision in 1973 that enshrined the right to an abortion. Although most Americans think women should be allowed a termination in some circumstances, public debate on the issue has become increasingly fraught. Many Americans are uninformed on the details of abortion.

This ignorance means they are unaware that most abortions in America are carried out with medication, rather than by surgery. According to a survey by the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice research group, the share of terminations carried out with pills rose from 39% in 2017 to 54% in 2020 (the latest year for which data are available). That does not include the illicit market for these drugs, meaning the rate is probably even higher. And it has almost certainly risen further since. In April 2021 the Food and Drug Administration announced that it would allow abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. The image of women walking into abortion clinics to end a pregnancy, though highly politicised, is only part of the picture.

It still has a grip on the popular imagination, nonetheless. According to a recent survey conducted by YouGov on behalf of The Economist, 38% of Americans reckoned that surgical termination was most common. Only 14% of respondents thought most abortions were performed with medication. A political divide exists too. Both Democrats and Republicans underestimated the prevalence of medication abortions, but Republicans were further off the mark. Only 13% said medication was the most common method compared with 21% of Democrats (the share of Trump voters who thought so was as low as 8%).

Respondents in Europe had a better understanding of the procedure. In Britain, where 65% of abortions are carried out with a pill, 42% of respondents correctly identified it as the most common method. Although the French, Swedes and Danes all underestimated the prevalence of medication abortion in their countries, they too were far closer than the Americans.

Americans are also ill-informed about the safety of abortions—again, more so than their European counterparts. A study in 2015 by researchers at Planned Parenthood and Princeton University found that only 0.01% of women who took abortion pills experienced complications that required hospitalisation. This number is comparable to—or by some estimates slightly lower than—the frequency of problems arising from surgical abortions. Yet just 14% of Americans polled by YouGov considered medication abortions to be “very safe”, and a plurality was unsure about their reliability. Respondents were twice as likely to consider surgical abortions very safe. Those polled across six European countries rated both medication and surgical abortion as safer than Americans did.

Friday’s decision means states now have the power to draft their own abortion legislation. At least 13 will implement “trigger laws” to restrict access to the procedure; eventually, the Guttmacher Institute reckons, more than half of America’s states may ban abortion. In the fraught and never-ending debate over how women end pregnancies, lawmakers should remember that most of them simply take two pills with a glass of water, and that the process is remarkably safe.

“Americans are also ill-informed”

Not sure about the “also” part.

I am convinced that there is nothing dumber than a dumb American.

That’s because they’re “exceptionally” dumb. Nothing but the best.

USA!!USA!!USA!!USA!!

[DocBarrister]

Now the theocratic fascists want to prevent Americans from going to pro-choice states to receive reproductive health care and abortions.

This is nothing more than a form of fascism and we need to stop these authoritarian thugs before they start taking all our freedoms away.

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ate-lines/

DocBarrister

[Seacoaster(1)]

Now the theocratic fascists want to prevent Americans from going to pro-choice states to receive reproductive health care and abortions.

This is nothing more than a form of fascism and we need to stop these authoritarian thugs before they start taking all our freedoms away.

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ate-lines/

DocBarrister

It's not about life; it is about control.

[PizzaSnake]

Now the theocratic fascists want to prevent Americans from going to pro-choice states to receive reproductive health care and abortions.

This is nothing more than a form of fascism and we need to stop these authoritarian thugs before they start taking all our freedoms away.

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ate-lines/

DocBarrister

Maternity camps?

[Brooklyn]

Now the theocratic fascists want to prevent Americans from going to pro-choice states to receive reproductive health care and abortions.

This is nothing more than a form of fascism and we need to stop these authoritarian thugs before they start taking all our freedoms away.

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ate-lines/

DocBarrister

For years right wingers have said that restrictions must be put on government so that it must not have the power to reduce people's rights and freedoms. This legislation that you are referring to actually imposes more government restrictions on freedom to choose, to live, and to move about freely. Another great right wing irony, indeed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://twitter.com/margaretatwood/stat ... 12064?s=21

[PizzaSnake]

https://twitter.com/margaretatwood/stat ... 12064?s=21

As usual, MA is skewering humans weaknesses. Because that is what this is — feeble-mindedness — writ large.

[a fan]

Now the theocratic fascists want to prevent Americans from going to pro-choice states to receive reproductive health care and abortions.

This is nothing more than a form of fascism and we need to stop these authoritarian thugs before they start taking all our freedoms away.

Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ate-lines/

DocBarrister

For years right wingers have said that restrictions must be put on government so that it must not have the power to reduce people's rights and freedoms. This legislation that you are referring to actually imposes more government restrictions on freedom to choose, to live, and to move about freely. Another great right wing irony, indeed.

Pffft. Relax, fellas. Petey told us that it's "just a Federal Right", so it's no big deal.

[jhu72]

Another republiCON mental midget. Rep. Karianne Lisonbee (R) Utah claims a women can control the "intake of semen".

“I got a text message today saying I should seek to control men’s ejaculations and not women’s pregnancies,” Lisonbee said.

She added: “I do trust women enough to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen.”

... all republiCONs should be forced by law to take a tested sex ed class, and forced to repeat it until they earn a passing grade. It would keep them too busy to spend time thinking up ways to control other people's lives.

[jhu72]

10 year old victim of child abuse in Ohio travels to Indiana for an abortion after Ohio bans abortions after 6 weeks.

I don't understand. We were assured women can recognize they are pregnant before 6 weeks, plenty of time to get an abortion. Certainly an abused 10 year old can. We have been told just this week by republiCON scum that females can "control the sperm they intake". This 10 year old must have forgotten to "control the sperm." We have been told how much anti-abortionist fascists care about children -- "oh, think of the children". Just the tip of the unwanted pregnancies and children soon to fall on the heads of all you fascist Karens! Just the tip of the iceberg of trouble and grief you are about to visit on the heads of real living human beings. It will not be forgotten!

I am sure this pleases your Christian dog.

"There is no hate like Christian love"

[DMac]

Must say, I really like this video.
Not so sure of the "fighting for"
part but I like the chutzpah.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 313c2cd5ce

[Kismet]

David Frum

"Roe Is the New Prohibition
The pro-life movement needs to know that such culture wars result not in outright victory for one side but in reaction and compromise."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ce=twitter

We all know how Prohibition turned out.

[jhu72]

Must say, I really like this video.
Not so sure of the "fighting for"
part but I like the chutzpah.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 313c2cd5ce

... powerful message

[jhu72]

David Frum

"Roe Is the New Prohibition
The pro-life movement needs to know that such culture wars result not in outright victory for one side but in reaction and compromise."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ce=twitter

We all know how Prohibition turned out.

H.L. MencKen

The Prohibitionists, when they foisted their brummagem cure-all upon the country under cover of the war hysteria, gave out that their advocacy of it was based upon a Christian yearning to abate drunkenness, and so abolish crime, poverty and disease … Not only are crime, poverty and disease undiminished, but drunkenness itself, if the police statistics are to be believed, has greatly increased … The more obvious the failure becomes, the more shamelessly they exhibit their genuine motives. In plain words, what moves them is the psychological aberration called sadism.

... the right is all about control. This has nothing to do with morality for most of the right wingers. It is laughable to think the Proud Boys, the 3%ers, other militia groups, the right wing media, republiCON politicians, right wing businessmen and even Southern Baptists men give a flying fu*k about morality.