His whine about censorship falls flat on its face as he was published in the WSJ and lots of other places. Problem was that his arguments were based on false data and assumptions, tragically wrong, but thankfully he was in a tiny minority of actual scientists making such arguments. But it's not as if they weren't heard. Covid wasn't very serious? Oops.
in the entirety of the fanlax "politics" thread, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's name appears in 38 posts. Not, just this thread, but all threads.
Yeah.......he was discussed at length.
Not a lie, because mdlaxfan, you, yourself, posted one, and ONLY one, post containing his name. In April, 2020. (your second post, proving that THIS has been "discussed at length", was literally hours ago
Oh.....and of course, your most recent post, the "wiki" link. Not sure what the relevance of your post, but suck'm is of the opinion that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, hasn't been discussed, hardly. At all.
Madlaxfan, you have posted twice, and only twice, specifically when it comes to this man.....over a span of FOUR years.
yeah......beaten to death.
you sound closed minded
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Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, along with other top medical doctors.....created the Great Barrington Declaration.
fanlax "water cooler" search for "Great barrington"......and, yup, you guessed. 100's an 100's posts, in all the threads combined.
Suck apoligizes in advance.
mdlaxfan....... a search for "great barrington' reveals a wopping 38 posts, for ALL threads. Yeah, beaten to death. Only, YOUR name doesn't even appear on the list.
carry on
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World-renowned epidemiologist fired from Harvard after refusing COVID vaccine
JENNIFER KABBANY - FIX EDITOR •MARCH 15, 2024
World-renowned infectious-disease epidemiologist and biostatistician Martin Kulldorff is no longer a professor at Harvard Medical School after refusing the COVID vaccine because he had infection-acquired immunity.
Refusing the vaccine is a decision that lost him his appointment at a Harvard-affiliated hospital at the time several years ago — and this month led to his termination from the Ivy League school.
“Harvard Medical School has affiliation agreements with several Boston hospitals which it neither owns nor operationally controls. Hospital-based faculty, such as Dr. Kulldorff, are employed by one of the affiliates, not by HMS, and require an active hospital appointment to maintain an academic appointment at Harvard Medical School,” a Harvard spokesperson told The College Fix via email Thursday.
Kulldorff told The Wall Street Journal on Thursday that after Mass General Brigham fired him, he was put on leave from his faculty position, and the university recently ended that limbo with an official termination. He said Harvard and Harvard-affiliated hospitals do not support infection-acquired immunity and would not approve his exemption requests.
Since the COVID lockdowns began four years ago this month, Kulldorff argued that tactics such as social distancing, masking children, vaccines after infections, and other extreme measures were not the best course of action to fight the virus. He co-authored the Great Barrington Declaration, which called for sensible tactics that would allow the globe to reach “herd immunity” and has to date been signed by nearly 1 million scientists worldwide.
A million sciencetists........they ALL can't be tinfoil hat nutjobs, can they ?
A petition calling for Kulldorff’s reinstatement with over 2,600 signatures argues that reinstating Kulldorff “will uphold the values of academic freedom and respect for individual autonomy in health decisions that Harvard stands for.”
But Kulldorff, writing in City Journal this week, said Harvard turned its back on him, open debate, and medical freedom.
“The beauty of our immune system is that those who recover from an infection are protected if and when they are re-exposed. This has been known since the Athenian Plague of 430 BC—but it is no longer known at Harvard,” he wrote. “Three prominent Harvard faculty coauthored the now infamous ‘consensus’ memorandum in The Lancet, questioning the existence of Covid-acquired immunity. By continuing to mandate the vaccine for students with a prior Covid infection, Harvard is de facto denying 2,500 years of science.”
Only last week, Harvard removed its COVID vaccine mandate for incoming students.
“For scientific, ethical, public health, and medical reasons, I objected both publicly and privately to the Covid vaccine mandates. I already had superior infection-acquired immunity; and it was risky to vaccinate me without proper efficacy and safety studies on patients with my type of immune deficiency. This stance got me fired by Mass General Brigham—and consequently fired from my Harvard faculty position,” Kulldorff wrote, adding that both his medical and religious exemption requests were denied.
“Most Harvard faculty diligently pursue truth in a wide variety of fields, but Veritas has not been the guiding principle of Harvard leaders. Nor have academic freedom, intellectual curiosity, independence from external forces, or concern for ordinary people guided their decisions,” he wrote.
“Harvard and the wider scientific community have much work to do to deserve and regain public trust. The first steps are the restoration of academic freedom and the cancelling of cancel culture. When scientists have different takes on topics of public importance, universities should organize open and civilized debates to pursue the truth.”
Asked to weigh in on the Kulldorff affair, George Mason University Professor of Law Todd Zywicki said it illustrates the “fascist approach” university leaders and the medical establishment embraced during the pandemic.
“It just shows that all this business about ‘trust the science’ and ‘trust the experts’ is just garbage,” Zywicki said in a telephone interview Thursday with The College Fix. “There was no one more of an expert on this than Kulldorff.”
Kulldorff’s advice has been validated as correct, yet the bureaucratic class has learned nothing and still refuses to acknowledge its missteps, he said, adding “they are not amenable to reason, they don’t have a shred of decency in their souls, and they want conformity and they want to crush people.”
Zywicki, who like Kulldorff has infection-acquired immunity, had sued his employers over their COVID vaccine mandate in a case that was ultimately settled in the professor’s favor in 2021 when GMU approved his exemption request.
The onerous regulations enacted during COVID represented “the greatest threat to freedom in at least a generation,” and it’s not over yet, because another crisis of one sort or another is surely around the corner, the law professor said.
“It’s a war,” Zywicki said, “because these people are not going to back down.”
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The interesting part of Dr. Martin Kulldorff's, most likely, pending lawsuit, is that Harvard teaching Hospitals, as Harvard fully admits, DID, in fact, allow fellow doctors to go interact with humans that , were NOT "vaccinated" with the covid jab. FACT.
The other interesting part, is Harvard Medical school, for years and years and years, hired.....promoted, PUBLISHED Dr. Kulldorff's career. Same for other "top" colleges, world wide. They hired and were very, very proud of these hires. World leading experts.
Dr. Kulldorff, no exception. IN fact, the CDC "hired" him to be on some covid pandemic board, to make suggestions.
You hired him, touted these worl leaders, for years. One of the worlds leading epidemelogists , tells the world, that he doesn't need the vaccine.............and suddenly, Harvard sayz this long time employee and professor.....IS a nut job and they fire him.
Makes complete sense.
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runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:15 pm
Here you are arguing about fantasy stuff. The real world is in the Senator Johnson clip, and you won't say a word about any of the topics.
Happy to. Bet you don't.
well......we are waiting.
Not sure what the wait is, the video is only 20 minutes long.
here, let me help with some topics to choose from.
-vaccine injured
-outpatient treatment
-myocarditis
-data access and transparency (hey JHU72, where IS the vsafe data, and why was the program shut down ?
-Medical doctors being fired.
-Medical doctors being censored
-US govt. involvement is said censorship
-tRump son in law, Jared K. ties to "vaccine"
-FDA 75 year lockdown of covid vaccine data
you sound closed minded
so many, many issues.
Kate Middleton got cancer from the covid shots. Prove it wrong.
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Why These Numbers are Different
Provisional death counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county health departments. Counts by NCHS often track 1–2 weeks behind other data.
Death certificates take time to be completed. There are many steps to filling out and submitting a death certificate. Waiting for test results can create additional delays.
States report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all U.S. deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation between states.
Other reporting systems use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.
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In what way is the firing of this morgue manager related to Kuldorff?
Same institution firing the morgue manager selling body parts illegally fired Kuldorff, perhaps for his false statements about Covid?
Are you saying they shouldn't have fired the morgue manager???
Kuldorff is quite the piece of work, apparently, another very smart guy who went way off the deep end about Covid, advocating for no restrictions in favor of achieving herd immunity, falsely claiming that the flu killed more children than Covid (1000X greater with Covid that year) so don't get vaccinated...smart doesn't make one ethical. And at some point, not employable by anyone but those with an agenda.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
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They can't ALL be nutbags, can they ? Pretty sure you can sue a company, when an employee commits an act. So, why are all our leading instituions washing their hands, as if they didn't give these people respect, for years and years.
Co-signers
Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
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runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:55 pm
Discuss topics, not people.
They can't ALL be nutbags, can they ?
Oh, yes they can. Or at least, they can be so freaking stupid that they don't notice how many States and schools around America that did EXACTLY what they asked, and are acting like that never happened.
What these guys...and you....are angry about....is other scientists and Governors/Teachers/School Boards dared to have a different opinion. Oh no! Not that, Runrussellrun! Everyone MUST do what RRR wants, because if they don't? Oh, they're corrupt, evil, bad, and on the financial take.
And you....and they.... are claiming that that's what they want: that you WANT people to freely and openly have different opinions allowed to do what they think is best.
And that's literally, specifically, and EXACTLY what happened in America. Did you notice? F no. You kept whining every single day.
You and these idiots STILL complained, because you have egos that are SO FREAKING BIG that you don't realize that it is YOU that is imposing what you think should have been done about Covid on the rest of us.
My daughter's school was OPEN, and in person at the time Barrington was signed. Now what?
Others were closed.
If these doctors are worth a sh(t, and arent batsh(t crazy, all you have to do is ask them: "hey, is your opinion the ONLY valid scientific opinion as to how we should handle Covid?".
What do you think they'd say? They'd say "of course not".
Now what, RRR?
What you (and they) don't get, no matter how many times I explain this to you is: all this is? Is YOU complaining that every School in the country didn't do exactly what YOU wanted. That's it. That's your complaint. Nothing more.
My daughters school did EXACTLY what you wanted: taught in person in the fall of 2020. Does this mean that they are corrupt? Or is it ONLY the places that did what YOU wanted "corrupt".
Everyone has to do things the way YOU wanted, or you're going to hold your breath and pout. Oh no! Not THAT, RRR!!
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
(cut)
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
First off, this was signed about 40 days into most School's fall semester in 2020....and these guys are claiming that they are CERTAIN about every claim made here?
I thought that was a RRR no-no....passing off scientific opinions without 100% certainty is bad, remember?
But as I pointed at back in 2020: how many teachers, principles, and coaches do you and these idiots think are over the age of 55 in America? You know: the age where Covid risk increased significantly? Take a wild guess, RRR.
Out of the 1,000,000+ Covid deaths....guess how many were under the retirement age of 64, RRR? About 276,000.
So......what you and the Barrington guys, who were all isolating and working at home and enjoying their fat salaries..... tell the TEACHERS who have to teach these kids in person?
F you. Get back to work. Don't care if you die from Covid. Oh, and we're not giving you one F'ing penny more to teach these kids, even though we're forcing you to put your life at risk to educate kids "because we sez-so"
I LOVE how you're 100% behind telling working class teachers "F you, I don't care if you might die, you HAVE to teach kids that you know perfectly well will carry Covid before the vaccine is available".
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
(cut)
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
First off, this was signed about 40 days into most School's fall semester in 2020....and these guys are claiming that they are CERTAIN about every claim made here?
I thought that was a RRR no-no....passing off scientific opinions without 100% certainty is bad, remember?
But as I pointed at back in 2020: how many teachers, principles, and coaches do you and these idiots think are over the age of 55 in America? You know: the age where Covid risk increased significantly? Take a wild guess, RRR.
Out of the 1,000,000+ Covid deaths....guess how many were under the retirement age of 64, RRR? About 276,000.
So......what you and the Barrington guys, who were all isolating and working at home and enjoying their fat salaries..... tell the TEACHERS who have to teach these kids in person?
F you. Get back to work. Don't care if you die from Covid. Oh, and we're not giving you one F'ing penny more to teach these kids, even though we're forcing you to put your life at risk to educate kids "because we sez-so"
I LOVE how you're 100% behind telling working class teachers "F you, I don't care if you might die, you HAVE to teach kids that you know perfectly well will carry Covid before the vaccine is available".
still waiting for you to address just one of the topics that I have listed repeatedly
suck doesn't see any wording listing working class or specifically teachers
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runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:55 pm
Discuss topics, not people.
They can't ALL be nutbags, can they ?
Oh, yes they can. Or at least, they can be so freaking stupid that they don't notice how many States and schools around America that did EXACTLY what they asked, and are acting like that never happened.
What these guys...and you....are angry about....is other scientists and Governors/Teachers/School Boards dared to have a different opinion. Oh no! Not that, Runrussellrun! Everyone MUST do what RRR wants, because if they don't? Oh, they're corrupt, evil, bad, and on the financial take.
And you....and they.... are claiming that that's what they want: that you WANT people to freely and openly have different opinions allowed to do what they think is best.
And that's literally, specifically, and EXACTLY what happened in America. Did you notice? F no. You kept whining every single day.
You and these idiots STILL complained, because you have egos that are SO FREAKING BIG that you don't realize that it is YOU that is imposing what you think should have been done about Covid on the rest of us.
My daughter's school was OPEN, and in person at the time Barrington was signed. Now what?
Others were closed.
If these doctors are worth a sh(t, and arent batsh(t crazy, all you have to do is ask them: "hey, is your opinion the ONLY valid scientific opinion as to how we should handle Covid?".
What do you think they'd say? They'd say "of course not".
Now what, RRR?
What you (and they) don't get, no matter how many times I explain this to you is: all this is? Is YOU complaining that every School in the country didn't do exactly what YOU wanted. That's it. That's your complaint. Nothing more.
My daughters school did EXACTLY what you wanted: taught in person in the fall of 2020. Does this mean that they are corrupt? Or is it ONLY the places that did what YOU wanted "corrupt".
Everyone has to do things the way YOU wanted, or you're going to hold your breath and pout. Oh no! Not THAT, RRR!!
can't speak to why they are angry but suck knows why suck is
might possibly gather why Dr. K. is upset for being fired for refusing to take a shot that he deemed as one of the worlds leading experts he didn't need
and considering many of his colleagues got religious exemptions and ran around Harvard, teaching hospitals, being in contact with students and patients
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The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
(cut)
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
First off, this was signed about 40 days into most School's fall semester in 2020....and these guys are claiming that they are CERTAIN about every claim made here?
I thought that was a RRR no-no....passing off scientific opinions without 100% certainty is bad, remember?
But as I pointed at back in 2020: how many teachers, principles, and coaches do you and these idiots think are over the age of 55 in America? You know: the age where Covid risk increased significantly? Take a wild guess, RRR.
Out of the 1,000,000+ Covid deaths....guess how many were under the retirement age of 64, RRR? About 276,000.
So......what you and the Barrington guys, who were all isolating and working at home and enjoying their fat salaries..... tell the TEACHERS who have to teach these kids in person?
F you. Get back to work. Don't care if you die from Covid. Oh, and we're not giving you one F'ing penny more to teach these kids, even though we're forcing you to put your life at risk to educate kids "because we sez-so"
I LOVE how you're 100% behind telling working class teachers "F you, I don't care if you might die, you HAVE to teach kids that you know perfectly well will carry Covid before the vaccine is available".
still waiting for you to address just one of the topics that I have listed repeatedly
suck doesn't see any wording listing working class or specifically teachers
Translation: RRR concedes all of the above points, and is gaslighting,
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:55 pm
Discuss topics, not people.
They can't ALL be nutbags, can they ?
Oh, yes they can. Or at least, they can be so freaking stupid that they don't notice how many States and schools around America that did EXACTLY what they asked, and are acting like that never happened.
What these guys...and you....are angry about....is other scientists and Governors/Teachers/School Boards dared to have a different opinion. Oh no! Not that, Runrussellrun! Everyone MUST do what RRR wants, because if they don't? Oh, they're corrupt, evil, bad, and on the financial take.
And you....and they.... are claiming that that's what they want: that you WANT people to freely and openly have different opinions allowed to do what they think is best.
And that's literally, specifically, and EXACTLY what happened in America. Did you notice? F no. You kept whining every single day.
You and these idiots STILL complained, because you have egos that are SO FREAKING BIG that you don't realize that it is YOU that is imposing what you think should have been done about Covid on the rest of us.
My daughter's school was OPEN, and in person at the time Barrington was signed. Now what?
Others were closed.
If these doctors are worth a sh(t, and arent batsh(t crazy, all you have to do is ask them: "hey, is your opinion the ONLY valid scientific opinion as to how we should handle Covid?".
What do you think they'd say? They'd say "of course not".
Now what, RRR?
What you (and they) don't get, no matter how many times I explain this to you is: all this is? Is YOU complaining that every School in the country didn't do exactly what YOU wanted. That's it. That's your complaint. Nothing more.
My daughters school did EXACTLY what you wanted: taught in person in the fall of 2020. Does this mean that they are corrupt? Or is it ONLY the places that did what YOU wanted "corrupt".
Everyone has to do things the way YOU wanted, or you're going to hold your breath and pout. Oh no! Not THAT, RRR!!
can't speak to why they are angry but suck knows why suck is
Translation: RRR concedes all the above points, which is why he wants to discuss "something else."
And no matter how many times I respond directly to RRR"s assertion? He always wants to run away, and discuss "something else".
So for those of you who ask why I keep batting around the ball of string that is RRR?
...it's because he knows perfectly well that he can't refute anything I say, and he's learning here. It never occurred to him that MANY school stayed open, and that it's perfectly fine for different schools/States/whatever to have different approached to Covid.
He just won't admit it. But you can tell it's sinking in.
