Tweak the College Rules

[HowieT3]

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The eye test, from the 1/4 finals on, kind of show that the shot clock added to all being great games. Wasn't the main thrust of adding a shot clock to take the game out of the Refs hands? To be consistent ?

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Yes, it was. The argument in favor of starting the shot clock once possession was gained, regardless of where on the field, was to make it consistently applied. No one could tell from one possession to another, let alone game-to-game or over the whole season, if or when the refs were going to start the shot clock under the old rules. It was a judgement call that really didn't have a good description of when it should be started. Stalling was like Justice Potter Stewart said about p0rn, "I know it when I see it." Now, the primary coaches' argument has moved to what constitutes gaining possession.

[Can Opener]

Appreciate the thoughtful response DMac. And your ability to splice quotes and change text colors is very impressive. I won’t even try to match that in this post!

If you want the ball out and in play almost instantly, TD is your guy. Check out this video of him breaking the single game FO record against a good Georgetown team:
https://youtu.be/8zeid4IP-uE

No real rotating battles there.

I appreciate your view on the sticks. Many of us wonder about the technology on sticks for field players and goalies. Those old goalie sticks weighed almost 2x today’s models and had much smaller effective pocket areas. https://www.lacrosseplayground.com/wp-c ... -stick.png

I’d like to bring back the gold standard and wish the iPhone had never been invented. Those things aren’t changing, however, and neither is a major rewind on stick technology. Alas, we old curmudgeons can’t win ‘em all.

[DMac]

Appreciate the thoughtful response DMac. And your ability to splice quotes and change text colors is very impressive. I won’t even try to match that in this post!
Thanks for the laugh, C O, I literally burst out laughing when I read that. Aint nuthin impressive goin' on there, but I understand what you're saying, believe me. I'm a real Johnny come lately when it comes to computers, they were always way above my pay grade, wasn't interested in having one. Was having a conversation with another lax nut one day and he said, "You should put that on LaxPower." I asked him, "WTH is LaxPower?" Obviously he didn't know what a can of worms he was opening (too irresistable) or what a huge pain in the nuts I am, so he showed me. That was it, I had to have a computer to play on that playground. I was clueless and completely intimidated by it all, beleeve dat!!! Everything was a struggle. I couldn't figure out why people ended stuff with, IMO or JMHO, had no idea what FWIW meant, etc, etc, etc. I thought there were a bunch of geniuses hangin' out at LP. Turns out pretty much anyone can look like a genius once they learn how to Google and copy and paste. Then my tech head son who made his living on computers moved back up here from Texas and I drove him out of his mind with questions and having him show me how to do stuff. I'm not afraid of freezing the the thing up or blowing it up anymore, and if you f around with the thing long enough you eventually stumble across how to do stuff.

If you want the ball out and in play almost instantly, TD is your guy. Check out this video of him breaking the single game FO record against a good Georgetown team:
https://youtu.be/8zeid4IP-uE

No real rotating battles there.

I appreciate your view on the sticks. Many of us wonder about the technology on sticks for field players and goalies. Those old goalie sticks weighed almost 2x today’s models and had much smaller effective pocket areas. https://www.lacrosseplayground.com/wp-c ... -stick.png
Look at you with your link refernce..
Yes sir, check this one out...I even know how to put up pictures (which is really unbelievable).

There's a nice light stick, catgut wall and all (try bending that baby...sticks were never meant to bend).

I’d like to bring back the gold standard and wish the iPhone had never been invented. Those things aren’t changing, however, and neither is a major rewind on stick technology. Alas, we old curmudgeons can’t win ‘em all.
Yup, just like pop tops replaced the can opener, the "new" sticks have taken over (and created some "problems"). I'm glad that phone was still hangin' on the wall when I was a kid and it couldn't take pictures and track your every move and conversation. Just sayin'.

[NElaxtalent]

As a team sport, I'm in favor of the least intrusive "fix" that would more frequently yield a 3v3 GB battle rather than a 1v1 "stick sorcery showcase" that more resembles a dated bar trick (cocktail straw, napkin & a cherry) than an actual lacrosse game.

Since the ridiculous flexi-heads are off-limits, my thoughts are abolish the moto-grip & move the wings in 5 yds (so the 3v3 cavalry arrives sooner). That's it.

[Handoverhamd]

quote=palaxoff post_id=62249 time=1561736003 user_id=625
Please explain your thinking on how this would speed up game. I can see it for face offs but not sure after that.







Well because it would give the defender a 50/50 chance at taking away the ball. Checks would be less violent and defenses would take more risks because of the possible reward. Then as an offense you would have to move the ball more quickly because of the increased ability to put it on the ground.

Go back and watch 2007-2011 lacrosse. It was brutal. Too much ball control and defenses quit throwing checks and pressuring giving teams the ability to really stall the game out.

The shot clock helped because as you heard during playoff weekend it "gave the game back to the players" and that is why everyone feels it was a net positive.

The more ball control a player has the more the game is specialized, and then micromanaged by coaches and the product of that becomes some of the most boring lacrosse possible.

On what lacrosse planet......and when....... did you evah witness such a CTO percentages?

Attempt to dislodge the ball vs. ball drop (success )(NOT tracked)
ball drop vs defensive team getting ball (CTO-only recently tracked )

I will watch the 1979 championship......after the pain kicker kicks in.....followed by 1989 one. Count those attempts vs CTO's

RIsk reward.......watch the pro game. The D certainly loves to get at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iM-hEZ ... g&index=35
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Then you will see when it is easier to dislodge the ball the more the defense will take risks. Its not that hard my friend. Really you should watch from 89 to 99. Those were the years of the stick checks because the shafts became so much lighter. It was a fun time to play.

[DMac]

Has more to do than with just the shafts tough, the sticks back then didn't have the "sick hold" the sticks today have. It's interesting to watch the girl's game and see what a difference the sick hold (lack of) makes. I think their sticks are similar to what the mlaxers were using back then...it took much more skill to keep the ball in your stick, shafts being almost incidental, in '89 than it does today.

[HooDat]

The current girls stick sure "plays" like the original excalibur and the old SAM and Barney's. But they have also become freak shows to comply with the rules.

Straight sidewalls and no offset are what I wish were the rule....

[DMac]

You know you've got my vote, the girl's sticks do "look" as if they play like old mlaxers sticks though. I've come to really like their game because of that (as well as because of some major rule changes), the passing and catching in their game is just gorgeous.
U19 wlax world tourney...US v Canada for the title tomorrow on the LSN network (don't know what time yet).
Tune in, those girls are good...as in real good.

[palaxoff]

Well because it would give the defender a 50/50 chance at taking away the ball. Checks would be less violent and defenses would take more risks because of the possible reward. Then as an offense you would have to move the ball more quickly because of the increased ability to put it on the ground.

HandoverHamd did you play defense?

Couple thoughts:
Do you really think it was ever a 50/50 ? Think about the 1v1 drills at practice , back 40 some years ago I'd say the percentage was 75% offense. The lighter shaft for poles even the odds out for awhile but then the stick war really heated up. Show me a pole who doesn't like to throw a mean check and I'll find him on him on the bench for you. Risk /Reward goes both ways have a feeling the "O" wold take advantage of it.

I’d like to bring back the gold standard and wish the iPhone had never been invented. Those things aren’t changing, however, and neither is a major rewind on stick technology. Alas, we old curmudgeons can’t win ‘em all.
Yup, just like pop tops replaced the can opener, the "new" sticks have taken over (and created some "problems"). I'm glad that phone was still hangin' on the wall when I was a kid and it couldn't take pictures and track your every move and conversation. Just sayin'.

Agree, so glad not to have a filmed record of some adventures

[runrussellrun]

Has more to do than with just the shafts tough, the sticks back then didn't have the "sick hold" the sticks today have. It's interesting to watch the girl's game and see what a difference the sick hold (lack of) makes. I think their sticks are similar to what the mlaxers were using back then...it took much more skill to keep the ball in your stick, shafts being almost incidental, in '89 than it does today.

don't recall seeing a lot of toe drags in this era for the men........but teach it to youth girls of today.

Leave the sticks alone.

PLL attempts to dislodge the ball. Sexton often does, at will. Epple leads the league in CTO's/18. Boy, anyone with a pole in their hands in Brighton this fall had better show up in the best shape of their lives. The ginger new leader, former coach to the aforementioned....well, we all know about gingers.

if the kids aren't their already, they mite as well hit PEI for the next two weeks and gouge away. Great Tuna this time of year

[Typical Lax Dad]

Has more to do than with just the shafts tough, the sticks back then didn't have the "sick hold" the sticks today have. It's interesting to watch the girl's game and see what a difference the sick hold (lack of) makes. I think their sticks are similar to what the mlaxers were using back then...it took much more skill to keep the ball in your stick, shafts being almost incidental, in '89 than it does today.

don't recall seeing a lot of toe drags in this era for the men........but teach it to youth girls of today.

Leave the sticks alone.

PLL attempts to dislodge the ball. Sexton often does, at will. Epple leads the league in CTO's/18. Boy, anyone with a pole in their hands in Brighton this fall had better show up in the best shape of their lives. The ginger new leader, former coach to the aforementioned....well, we all know about gingers.

if the kids aren't their already, they mite as well hit PEI for the next two weeks and gouge away. Great Tuna this time of year

[DMac]

Has more to do than with just the shafts tough, the sticks back then didn't have the "sick hold" the sticks today have. It's interesting to watch the girl's game and see what a difference the sick hold (lack of) makes. I think their sticks are similar to what the mlaxers were using back then...it took much more skill to keep the ball in your stick, shafts being almost incidental, in '89 than it does today.

don't recall seeing a lot of toe drags in this era for the men........but teach it to youth girls of today.

Leave the sticks alone.

PLL attempts to dislodge the ball. Sexton often does, at will. Epple leads the league in CTO's/18. Boy, anyone with a pole in their hands in Brighton this fall had better show up in the best shape of their lives. The ginger new leader, former coach to the aforementioned....well, we all know about gingers.

if the kids aren't their already, they mite as well hit PEI for the next two weeks and gouge away. Great Tuna this time of year

Don't know why you'll never acknowledge that it's harder to get the ball out of the newfangled sticks than it was in past eras, russy. Sexton can get it out "at will", why doesn't everyone else? For the same reason everyone else couldn't run the football like Jimmy Brown, or throw runners out at second like Johnny Bench, or close a game like Mo, or hit threes like Seth, rebound like Dennis, hit like Rose?

[Handoverhamd]

Well because it would give the defender a 50/50 chance at taking away the ball. Checks would be less violent and defenses would take more risks because of the possible reward. Then as an offense you would have to move the ball more quickly because of the increased ability to put it on the ground.

HandoverHamd did you play defense?

Couple thoughts:
Do you really think it was ever a 50/50 ? Think about the 1v1 drills at practice , back 40 some years ago I'd say the percentage was 75% offense. The lighter lack of poles even the odds out for awhile but then the stick war really heated up. Show me a pole who doesn't like to throw a mean check and I'll find him on him on the bench for you. Risk /Reward goes both ways have a feeling the "O" wold take advantage of it.

I’d like to bring back the gold standard and wish the iPhone had never been invented. Those things aren’t changing, however, and neither is a major rewind on stick technology. Alas, we old curmudgeons can’t win ‘em all.
Yup, just like pop tops replaced the can opener, the "new" sticks have taken over (and created some "problems"). I'm glad that phone was still hangin' on the wall when I was a kid and it couldn't take pictures and track your every move and conversation. Just sayin'.

Agree, so glad not to have a filmed record of some adventures

I've been playing for 30 years and tried my hand at defense a time or two.

We can admit 2005-2010 had to probably be the worst of the worst for lacrosse would you agree?

[pcowlax]

This isn’t for this thread but has been touched on in many so I wasn’t sure where to put it. Very interesting article on ESPN about the fall in participation in all youth sports (my take is that this generation of snowflakes is offput by the idea of completion but your milage may vary.) Anyway, much has been made of these boards about the cost of playing youth lax. Here is some objective data though I can’t vouch for its quality. Discuss amongst yourselves.


AVERAGE ANNUAL SPENDING PER SPORT, PER CHILD
SPORT AVG. COST
Baseball $659.96
Basketball $426.78
Bicycling $1,011.61
Cross country $420.86
Field hockey $2,124.62
Flag football $268.46
Tackle football $484.57
Golf $925.38
Gymnastics $1,580.28
Ice hockey $2,582.74
Lacrosse $1,289.22
Martial arts $776.51
Skateboarding $380.02
Skiing/Snowboarding $2,248.84
Soccer $536.90
Softball $612.83
Swimming $786.03
Tennis $1,170.09
Track & field $191.34
Volleyball $595.49
Wrestling $476.45
Other sports $1,233

[palaxoff]

Handoverhamd:

We can admit 2005-2010 had to probably be the worst of the worst for lacrosse would you agree?

I will agree the liberties taken with sticks especially stringing them was the worst. The whip and hold was ridiculous. I swear just about every pass ended up being caught below the waist. I noticed once those changes were made at the NCAA level passes were back by the ear hole.

A little before your time, but the first season on aluminum shafts was a fiasco,

[palaxoff]

Seem our little discussion here mirrors the thoughts of the coaches. Would have likes to hear a little more noise about dives.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... -off/55200

[smoova]

The problem that coaches want solved now is the disproportionate effect on winning that a specialist has despite not being able to engage in the rest of the game because of his athletic or skill attributes or (more commonly) the condition of his stick head.

I may be an idiot, but I'm not the only one!

[SCLaxAttack]

Seem our little discussion here mirrors the thoughts of the coaches. Would have likes to hear a little more noise about dives.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... -off/55200

I wish they’d get rid of the rule that says the rules committee is a standing committee. It makes them think they have to do something.

For about thirty seconds I thought I liked the article’s idea of keeping the middies that are on the field at the time of a goal on the field for the next face-off, but then I started thinking: why stop there? If the objective is to limit a player’s specific skills from affecting the game, why not make the attack switch to D and vice versa? And let’s make the goal scorer have to play goalie until the next goal is scored. Isn’t it totally unfair for one team to have a better goalie than their opponent?

Leave the friggin game alone for awhile.

[smoova]

If the objective is to limit a player’s specific skills from affecting the game ...

The problem that coaches want solved now is the disproportionate effect on winning that a specialist has despite not being able to engage in the rest of the game because of his athletic or skill attributes or (more commonly) the condition of his stick head.

[OCanada]

They should clarify the helmet rule. Lids are popping off far too often