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seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

Democrats seem upset they can't stuff ballot boxes any longer. Wonder why they are so frenzied?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:30 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

Ohio was pushing for the same thing. Those counties are 500 square miles.

Fear of loss of power is a mighty strong motivator.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:12 pm Well, you probably DO understand, but are being mighty polite.
TrumpCult.

Neither you nor a fan understand that the 'Amazon issue' is a state issue and I and every other sane human being could not care any less what the deal is vis a vis NY State. My guess is the deal is not a net giveaway. If it is, then the residents of NY state should rise up. As it was, they wanted the deal but the Lefty mob came baying for Amazon's scalp, and Amazon rightly said 'see you later'.

I'm being mighty polite simply saying 'I wonder why MD insists that AOC was correct'.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:43 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:11 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:55 pm Yes you will need more, since you and I disagree as to what the net calculator says about Amazon's proposed deal, which Cuomo and de Blasio signed off on. It's not a "free ride" as you so desperately wish it to be.

How many times do I have to explain this to you?

Are you going to apply this "net calculator" to all business in New York State, or just Amazon? Because you understand that if you do? Small, local business where the bulk of their economic activity------buying supplies, materials, services, staffing-----all stay within the State...heck, within a few miles.....should get massive tax breaks.

While Amazon, who send their profits back to HQ, and then off to shareholders around the world.....should pay MORE taxes.

But that's not what your advocating. You're telling us that Amazon should pay less, and small local businesses should pay MORE in taxes. This is the OPPOSITE of the "net calculator" tells you to do, Pete.

I'm struggling to understand how it is that you don't get this. There are only so many different ways I can explain things....

You need to understand I'm not a NY'er; I don't care what states do with their respective 'deals'. Why do you? My hunch is this deal is not the giveaway you want it to be.

Then don't give your opinion on AOC being smart enough that giving Amazon tax breaks in NYState is stupid, and counterproductive for the people who already live in Long Island City, and have no interest in paying Amazon's taxes for them.

I know---they're just CRAZY for not wanting to pay Amazon's taxes for them, right?

Pretty obvious from your response that you FINALLY get it. Nice to see. Thank you.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:55 pm I do care about federal tax policy

No you don't. Every time you hear about people and companies with billions in revenue paying $750 for a years income taxes, you wave it through.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

texas isn't really the state where you want to be trying to mail in vote unless you're over 65 or you're out of town (not sure how that 2nd one is judged).
considering that over 65 went 64 - 35% trump in 2016, it may not be such a wise move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tx/
of course, no one has hired me as a campaign advisor.

larger geographic areas went for hillary, fwiw.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:05 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

texas isn't really the state where you want to be trying to mail in vote unless you're over 65 or you're out of town (not sure how that 2nd one is judged).
considering that over 65 went 64 - 35% trump in 2016, it may not be such a wise move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tx/
of course, no one has hired me as a campaign advisor.

larger geographic areas went for hillary, fwiw.

There have been occasional warnings from/to the GOP about Trump’s vilification of mail in voting — that it may hurt more than it [suppresses Democratic votes] helps. It appears Abbot has made the calculation that impeding voting in the counties in this way will help.

At the end of the day, Republicans are hurting the country by making the process and the results less than legitimate. It is not an overstatement to say that Trump’s campaign rhetoric and the GOP’s state by state dying grasps are hurting democracy. I just don’t understand how reasonable people could vote for Republicans; they’ve shown who they are, and they are desperate.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:21 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:05 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

texas isn't really the state where you want to be trying to mail in vote unless you're over 65 or you're out of town (not sure how that 2nd one is judged).
considering that over 65 went 64 - 35% trump in 2016, it may not be such a wise move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tx/
of course, no one has hired me as a campaign advisor.

larger geographic areas went for hillary, fwiw.

There have been occasional warnings from/to the GOP about Trump’s vilification of mail in voting — that it may hurt more than it [suppresses Democratic votes] helps. It appears Abbot has made the calculation that impeding voting in the counties in this way will help.

At the end of the day, Republicans are hurting the country by making the process and the results less than legitimate. It is not an overstatement to say that Trump’s campaign rhetoric and the GOP’s state by state dying grasps are hurting democracy. I just don’t understand how reasonable people could vote for Republicans; they’ve shown who they are, and they are desperate.

It is what minority rule looks like. It will only get worse.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:15 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:13 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:15 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm Did a little reading on Bush v. Gore. Oh, I don’t know why.

Came across this interesting fact which I had forgotten. Initially, Florida officials rejected 2411 overseas (mainly military) ballots that had been received after the polls closed. When those ballots were rejected, Al Gore had a 202 vote lead. Bush went to court and a federal judge ruled that the overseas ballots should be counted, notwithstanding the fact that they were received after the deadline. When they were counted, Bush took the lead by over 500 votes.

I vaguely recall that Gore did not appeal this trial court ruling because he didn’t want to be perceived as trying to prevent military ballots from being counted.

Interesting little precedent that might be relevant in the coming weeks.

There’s a huge difference between honorable overseas military voting with postmarked envelopes versus Democratic concave-chest pimply Antifa activists stuffing phony ballots days after November 3 with no postmark because USPS union boys turn off the date machines from 11-4 to 11-7 while Democratic election officials turn a blind eye to the fraud so Biden can erase a 2% deficit in Pennsylvania.

The Supremes have the case now. We'll see what they say.

after your post last night, i was intrigued, read into it. the new york times did an extensive investigative report in 2001. the level of research, time and interviews that went into it must have been enormous. maybe we all remember those days.

anyway, it was an interesting read on all the machinations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/e ... -vote.html
the summary is near the top of the article. when they interviewed a harvard voting pattern expert, the 537 vote ultimate difference was best guess a 245 vote difference had the 680 votes in question not been allowed (a break of 486-194 by estimate). concedes there is no way to know with mathematical certainty, but gave it just a slight chance of turning the tables entirely. (609-71). i doubt florida officials would've officially rejected those entire 2400+ votes at any point, as their rules allowed for postmarked overseas voting if arrival by nov 17 (which republicans expedited and attempted all manner of other avenues).

at the same time, the times did a short story on the public relations end:
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/e ... -vote.html

cnn 15 years later did an enlightening piece on the memo and how lieberman's role on a morning talk show played into that:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/02/politics ... index.html

To this day, it remains a fascinating saga.

I only highlighted the military ballots issue because of its relevance to what is being talked about now in terms of which ballots received after the election should be counted.

I think the consensus today is that if all ballots, including military, have been properly counted in FL in 2000, that is, include the ones that met the rules and not include those that didn’t, Bush would still have won, but his margin would’ve been less than the official 537 margin.

There are so many variables, though, that there really can’t be a definitive answer because people will probably always disagree about which categories of ballots should’ve been counted and which rejected.

Let’s just hope that we can avoid this type of situation this year.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:46 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:30 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

Ohio was pushing for the same thing. Those counties are 500 square miles.

Fear of loss of power is a mighty strong motivator.

Pure rat-forking voter suppression. One forking location for all of Harris County (population 4.8 million)????

As we all know, Colorado is the model for voting in the USA. Modern, cost effective, secure and wildly popular with Dems, Reps and Indies. Pandemic proof. We lead the nation in the percentage of eligible voters registered. Always in the top five states for voter turn out.

My tiny county (population 327k) has NINETEEN permanent ballot drop box locations. Some open 9-5 (usually located in the lobby of a government office building). Others open 24/7. The one I use is in the parking lot of the police station and has 24/7 video surveillance. As election day approaches, additional temporary locations are opened (like drive throughs).

Total p*ssy weasel move by Abbott -- guess he's afraid of what a little democracy might bring. Presumably this will get smacked down promptly in court.

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:55 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:40 pm The only thing the Green New Steal provides a new and expanded network for your FLP friends to steal as much taxpayer money as they can get their greedy little hands on. Save the planet my effing left nut. The planet does not need FLP ninkompoopery to save it.

And this would be a valid complaint. But the problem, as you very well know, is that the "other side"-----oil, gas, coal----are stealing as much taxpayer money as they can get their greedy little hands on.

Those gas and oil companies are not claiming to save the planet. They just do what they do to keep those damn internal combustion engines running. The genesis of the green new steal is they claim new technologies are needed to save the planet. Hey if there is a few bazillion dollars to be made by the new businesses supporting the green new steal and building and marketing these new technologies it always helps to have taxpayers money rather than your own bankrolling your research. When you can gamble using other people's money and you don't have to pay anybody back if you lose...that's a pretty damn sweet deal. All you have to do is say we want to save the planet too and the money train will stop at your front door.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:21 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:05 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

texas isn't really the state where you want to be trying to mail in vote unless you're over 65 or you're out of town (not sure how that 2nd one is judged).
considering that over 65 went 64 - 35% trump in 2016, it may not be such a wise move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tx/
of course, no one has hired me as a campaign advisor.

larger geographic areas went for hillary, fwiw.

There have been occasional warnings from/to the GOP about Trump’s vilification of mail in voting — that it may hurt more than it [suppresses Democratic votes] helps. It appears Abbot has made the calculation that impeding voting in the counties in this way will help.

At the end of the day, Republicans are hurting the country by making the process and the results less than legitimate. It is not an overstatement to say that Trump’s campaign rhetoric and the GOP’s state by state dying grasps are hurting democracy. I just don’t understand how reasonable people could vote for Republicans; they’ve shown who they are, and they are desperate.

... and DEPLORABLE!

The House on Tuesday held a vote in support of a peaceful transition of power if Trump lost. Everyone voted for it but for 5 republiCONs:

-- Matt Gaetz (FLA)
-- Louie Gohmert (TX)
-- Clay Higgins(LA)
-- Steve King(TX)
-- Thomas Massie (KY)

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:21 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:05 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:25 pm Brazen voter suppression in Texas. Just shocked.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201001 ... poff-sites

It is un-American to impede the right of Americans to vote. What the f*ck is wrong with you people. This is what you support.

texas isn't really the state where you want to be trying to mail in vote unless you're over 65 or you're out of town (not sure how that 2nd one is judged).
considering that over 65 went 64 - 35% trump in 2016, it may not be such a wise move.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tx/
of course, no one has hired me as a campaign advisor.

larger geographic areas went for hillary, fwiw.

There have been occasional warnings from/to the GOP about Trump’s vilification of mail in voting — that it may hurt more than it [suppresses Democratic votes] helps. It appears Abbot has made the calculation that impeding voting in the counties in this way will help.

At the end of the day, Republicans are hurting the country by making the process and the results less than legitimate. It is not an overstatement to say that Trump’s campaign rhetoric and the GOP’s state by state dying grasps are hurting democracy. I just don’t understand how reasonable people could vote for Republicans; they’ve shown who they are, and they are desperate.

all of this should've been squared away months ago. and even then, it'd still be a cluster. you ain't seen nuthin' yet. as i'm sure you know.

democrats in pa pushed for late ballot counts, including those without postmarks. i don't agree with either of those measures. can you imagine how many late ballots we might see in pa if it's tight?

i don't agree with killing boxes if votes can be legitimately verified. mail ins in texas have tons of time to... mail them in. take heart in that and this might ultimately be a dumb move by a politician? myself, i wouldn't trust putting my vote in anywhere but the slot in my local election office. and even then, who knows?

personally, i see a lot of this on both sides, and yeah... equivalencies. you don't, and it's all good. this one is going to be rough and tumble.

You’re right. I don’t see equivalence. I do see a gross lack of preparation on both or all sides. But it is not a contest: Republican are scrambling to impede voters and vote counting. I’m jot saying Democratic party functionaries aren’t occasionally too aggressive. But the GOP has reduced this to a central electoral policy. It’s a disgrace.

Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews' in 2017
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-fou ... 17-1535300

Republicon Senators break ranks to support bill opposing Trump's Obamacare lawsuit. These Senators are more afraid of their own voters, than Trump's base and his goon squads.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:31 pm Those gas and oil companies are not claiming to save the planet.

That's not my point. I'm all for one of two paths.

1. No one gets tax deductions, write offs, tax credits, etc. Not the oil companies, or solar panel companies, or Tesla, or Ford, etc.

2. Everyone gets them, and everyone stop whining when "the other side" get them.

What the right complains about are tax breaks and handouts for green energy, while ignoring that oil and coal get them, too. Look up "Trump, coal, subsidy", and you'll see what I mean real quick.

It's yet another fake conservative game where they think we're so stupid that we think that "only liberal projects" get handouts and tax brakes. Buffalo bagels...they ALL get them.

You want to stop all the subsidies? Where do I sign? I'm sick of being the only business in America that doesn't get them.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:49 pm Republicon Senators break ranks to support bill opposing Trump's Obamacare lawsuit. These Senators are more afraid of their own voters, than Trump's base and his goon squads.

R Senators: Wait-----so you're saying that my voting base gets these handouts, and my State's health care system will fall apart without Federal Money? OMG, we have to keep that money flowing!!

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:51 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:49 pm Republicon Senators break ranks to support bill opposing Trump's Obamacare lawsuit. These Senators are more afraid of their own voters, than Trump's base and his goon squads.

R Senators: Wait-----so you're saying that my voting base gets these handouts, and my State's health care system will fall apart without Federal Money? OMG, we have to keep that money flowing!!

... go figure.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:37 pm democrats in pa pushed for late ballot counts, including those without postmarks. i don't agree with either of those measures. can you imagine how many late ballots we might see in pa if it's tight?

This is incomplete. It is true that Democrats have advocated that ballots received after election day be counted, but not without restriction.

A Pennsylvania statute currently provides that ballots must be received by the close of polls on election day (8 p.m.). The Pennsylvania Supreme Court, due to Covid concerns, ruled that ballots postmarked by election day and received by Friday, November 6 are to be counted. Ballots without postmarks received by that date are also to be counted unless there is evidence they were mailed after election day.

The reason for the “no postmark” rule is that many envelopes these days don’t have a postmark date printed on them. Just look at your own mail.

The Republicans have appealed to the US Supreme Court. Judge Alito, who I assume is the Third Circuit justice, has told the Dems to respond by October 5.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the Supremes rule that the strict state law must be enforced, that is, ballots received after election day aren’t to be counted. That would be wrong, in my view, because the state court should be permitted to interpret its own law. I’m not sure what the federal issue is here. Certainly it is not like the equal protection type of concerns raised in Bush v. Gore. (Note that a 4-4 tie would mean the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision is upheld.)

I think this is the first 2020 presidential election case that has made it to the Supreme Court. Will be very interesting to see how they resolve it.

It remains to be seen, of course, how many Pa. ballots are received after election day and whether they would tip the election in Pennsylvania. My guess is they won’t.

Stanley McChrystal just came out with a hell of an endorsement of Joe Bidden.

From the NY Times:

On Thursday, General McChrystal added a coda to the story: He endorsed Mr. Biden, now the Democratic presidential candidate, not President Trump, to be the country’s next commander in chief.

“I worked most closely with President Obama and Vice President Biden when I commanded in Afghanistan,” the general told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“They didn’t see everything the way I did,” he added. “But in every instance, they listened. In every instance, they took in my view. In every instance, I felt that they were trying to make the best decision based on all the information they had, and based on a bedrock of values.”

The Biden campaign immediately embraced General McChrystal’s statement.

“Vice President Biden is honored by General McChrystal’s endorsement,” said Andrew Bates, the campaign’s spokesman. “And he couldn’t agree more that the next commander in chief must ‘respect people who serve and have served’ and be ‘someone that you can trust’ — which would be a decisive break from Donald Trump, the most dishonest president in American history and the only one to have utterly disgraced himself by calling veterans and the fallen ‘losers and ‘suckers.’”

On Thursday, General McChrystal said disagreements between people who respect each other are healthy for a democracy — and, in any case, he said that Mr. Biden would be better for the country than Mr. Trump.

“You have to believe your commander in chief, at the end of the day, is someone you can trust,” General McChrystal said. “And I can trust Joe Biden.”