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From Greg Sargent/WaPo:
Three big takeaways from the Democrats’ damning new impeachment report
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... nt-report/
Here are three big takeaways:

The corrupt plot implicated multiple top administration officials and Trump allies.

The report goes out of its way to detail the ways the evolving scheme implicated top officials like acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry.
Trump’s “no quid pro quo” defense has been reduced to smoking wreckage.

The report does a good job in blowing up one of Trump’s biggest defenses: That because he told Sondland that there was “no quid pro quo” on one of their September phone calls, that means it was true.

As the report notes of Sondland’s testimony about one of those calls (it’s not clear how many there were):

Ambassador Sondland also testified that President Trump immediately followed his stated denial of a quid pro quo by demanding that President Zelensky still make a public announcement, while the military assistance remained on an unexplained hold.
Yes, of course. The military aid was still on hold, and Ukraine still desperately wanted it, and Trump superficially told Sondland that there was “no quid pro quo,” while also directing Sondland to tell Zelensky that he must still do Trump’s bidding, but of his “own” accord.
Trump has shown his corrupt undermining of our democracy will continue, posing a danger to the nation going forward.

The report strikingly portrays a president who recognizes zero constraints on his misconduct, making him a continuing threat to the country. As the report notes, Trump was emboldened, and not chastened, by the fact that his campaign’s efforts to coordinate with and benefit from the 2016 Russian attack on our democracy -- and Trump’s extensive efforts to derail the investigation into those matters to cover them up -- ended with him facing no accountability.

Importantly, it was right after all this that Trump pressured Zelensky for another round of foreign intervention on July 25. The report describes this as “the act of a president who viewed himself as unaccountable and determined to use his vast official powers to secure his reelection.”
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Josh Marshall of TalkingPointsMemo a few minutes ago on Twitter:
I’ve been rereading some Luther recently. And the Nunes part of this story is really an example of unmerited grace. We did nothing to earn or expect this unmerited windfall. And yet it has been bestowed upon us.

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For some of the details of the Nunes call records...
Intel Report Shows Nunes In Touch With Giuliani During Key Parts Of Ukraine Scheme
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nune ... t-giuliani
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Barr doesn’t recuse and he’s one of the bag men. Nunes sits in hearings, all umbrage and dismay, doesn’t recuse. Pack of traitors, you ask me. All bad faith for Putin and Trump. This stain never washes off.
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House Select Committee on Intelligence Report:

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/ ... pdf#page=1
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Let’s hear the defense. If there is one. They got caught dictating Ukraine statement. Etc...schiff is good at this. Nunes is a clown, a gift from God.
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Thune and Romney can smell what the Rock is cooking. Trump’s air is leaking.

Oops. Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine - CNNPolitics 🤔

But John Solomon wrote.....
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The Hill announced today that they were performing an open review of all of Solomon’s work there. Sure looks like he was in on it just like the rest of the crew
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Wow ! A reporter talking to a member of Congress & using a Ukrainian interpreter.
...& all of them consulting with attorneys. Shocking ! .:o.
That Schiff's a real Bull Dog. .:roll:.
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old salt wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:06 pm Wow ! A reporter talking to a member of Congress & using a Ukrainian interpreter.
...& all of them consulting with attorneys. Shocking ! .:o.
That Schiff's a real Bull Dog. .:roll:.
Your man Nunes: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/0 ... ort-074931


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This is the first time in a long time that I have watched the President speak. Jesus Christ!!! He is completely crazy. Look at Pompeo and those fckn hostages on stage!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Did I see Old Salt!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Whst a country. In the words of Michael Ray Richardson.... “This ship be sinkin’”!!!
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Those clowns in London had the same looks on their faces.... keep licking those boots boys!
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This is the guy you folks have been defending tooth and nail? Lord help us....Put your lives on the line so we could be subjects of this guy? I need to watch him more closely. This is high comedy. Mel Brooks would have field day.
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Looks like the repubs will be making a switch in some tactics now that Romney and Thune and LINDSEY friggin GRAHAM have made a point of saying it was Russia and not Ukraine who meddled in the 2016 elections. Maybe they will have more luck with the Nunes, Giuliani, Parnas triumverate.
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calourie wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:33 pm Looks like the repubs will be making a switch in some tactics now that Romney and Thune and LINDSEY friggin GRAHAM have made a point of saying it was Russia and not Ukraine who meddled in the 2016 elections. Maybe they will have more luck with the Nunes, Giuliani, Parnas triumverate.
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TDS Zombie porn. You guys are going to be so disappointed. Rave on.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:23 pm

Those clowns in London had the same looks on their faces.... keep licking those boots boys!
What? They were licking cream sauce of each others boots?
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old salt wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm TDS Zombie porn. You guys are going to be so disappointed. Rave on.
What do you think of the evidence in the report?
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:10 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm TDS Zombie porn. You guys are going to be so disappointed. Rave on.
What do you think of the evidence in the report?
I look forward to you & Schiff trying to sell this hooey to a disinterested public -- that this is an impeachable crime (& a crime is what the public thinks it needs to be). Tomorrow the law professors will put to sleep anyone who hasn't already tuned out.

Try to sell the notion that an 11 wk delay in Ukraine receiving sniper rifles is somehow endangering US national security,
when 2 years ago, we wouldn't even give them bullets. They haven't even needed to use the Javelins that Trump gave them 2 years ago.
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old salt wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:33 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:10 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm TDS Zombie porn. You guys are going to be so disappointed. Rave on.
What do you think of the evidence in the report?
I look forward to you & Schiff trying to sell this hooey to a disinterested public -- that this is an impeachable crime (& a crime is what the public thinks it needs to be). Tomorrow the law professors will put to sleep anyone who hasn't already tuned out.

Try to sell the notion that an 11 wk delay in Ukraine receiving sniper rifles is somehow endangering US national security,
when 2 years ago, we wouldn't even give them bullets. They haven't even needed to use the Javelins that Trump gave them 2 years ago.
Salty wants to gaslight by making the impeachment proceedings being about a delay in weapons delivery as opposed to Trump's behavior in causing that delay to happen, and his reasons for so doing. The proceedings look like they will reveal the latter in fairly clear and understandable terms. I imagine the public will be paying more attention than Old Salt gives them credit for regarding this matter. Time will tell.
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