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You are aware that the Poroshenko / Lutsenko regime (that Amb Masha now tells us was too corrupt to trust), had already passed the vaunted interagency corruption review process which Dr Coal Miners Daughter, LCOL V, bow tie diploguy, & the po'd bean counter lady, cited to bring a tear to our eye ?
Always with the cute nicknames for “the girls.” Did some Chekist undercover gal get to you back “when it mattered”?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:25 pmYou are aware that the Poroshenko / Lutsenko regime (that Amb Masha now tells us was too corrupt to trust), had already passed the vaunted interagency corruption review process which Dr Coal Miners Daughter, LCOL V, bow tie diploguy, & the po'd bean counter lady, cited to bring a tear to our eye ?
Maybe they couldn't be trusted with more lethal aid. Can they now ?
Thank you Capt Virtue Signal. You patronize those strong women. Do you specialize in gender grievance cases ?seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:00 pmAlways with the cute nicknames for “the girls.” Did some Chekist undercover gal get to you back “when it mattered”?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:25 pmYou are aware that the Poroshenko / Lutsenko regime (that Amb Masha now tells us was too corrupt to trust), had already passed the vaunted interagency corruption review process which Dr Coal Miners Daughter, LCOL V, bow tie diploguy, & the po'd bean counter lady, cited to bring a tear to our eye ?
Maybe they couldn't be trusted with more lethal aid. Can they now ?
Yup, you're an equal opportunity sort of insulter. Like Trump.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:55 amThank you Capt Virtue Signal. You patronize those strong women. Do you specialize in gender grievance cases ?seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:00 pmAlways with the cute nicknames for “the girls.” Did some Chekist undercover gal get to you back “when it mattered”?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:25 pmYou are aware that the Poroshenko / Lutsenko regime (that Amb Masha now tells us was too corrupt to trust), had already passed the vaunted interagency corruption review process which Dr Coal Miners Daughter, LCOL V, bow tie diploguy, & the po'd bean counter lady, cited to bring a tear to our eye ?
Maybe they couldn't be trusted with more lethal aid. Can they now ?
obtw -- you missed Mr bow tie diploguy & nothing came to mind (at the time) for Colonel Klink w/ his letter to his daddy.
Chekist ? That's straight out of the McCarthy playbook.
Logic doesn't sway Trumpsuckers.CU88 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:37 am This is a great column, too bad r's don't see the forest for the trees...
Pat Cipollone is the dog that caught the car
By Dana Milbank
Dec. 2, 2019 at 6:05 p.m. EST
Friends have likened White House counsel Pat Cipollone to a pit bull. Now, he’s the proverbial dog that caught the car.
For months, the Trump White House and its congressional chorus have clamored for Democrats to allow President Trump’s counsel to be present at impeachment proceedings.
Trump and his supporters have shared that the impeachment resolution is unfair because it “doesn’t allow POTUS’ counsel to be present to question witnesses.”
White House spokesman Hogan Gidley complained that “we can’t question witnesses; we can’t have a conversation with those who are in front of the committees." A White House official briefing reporters lamented the president’s inability “to have counsel present.”
GOP Reps. Lee Zeldin (N.Y.), Steve Scalise (La.), Michael McCaul (Texas), Tom Cole (Okla.) and many others have howled that Trump should have counsel present.
And so it came to pass that House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) last week sent a letter to Trump inviting him and his counsel to participate in this week’s first impeachment hearing before the panel and to gauge their interest in questioning the witnesses.
Trump’s reply? “We do not intend to participate in your Wednesday hearing,” Cipollone wrote Sunday night.
In sending the White House’s regrets, Cipollone tossed in a maybe-next-time formulation: “We may consider participating in future Judiciary Committee proceedings if you afford the Administration the ability to do so meaningfully.”
How good of them!
This is the White House that can’t take “yes” for an answer.
Trump and his allies complained about secret proceedings. The proceedings were made public.
They complained that deposition transcripts weren’t released. The transcripts were released.
And still, no cooperation.
They complained that Democrats should hurry up and “move on” from impeachment. But as Democrats work to wrap up impeachment quickly, Rep. Doug Collins (Ga.), the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, complained Sunday that “we’re rushing this.”
Now, we have the president’s lawyer complaining that Trump “was allowed absolutely no participation” — and yet refusing to participate when invited. It’s a bit like the administration blocking senior officials from testifying and then complaining that those who did testify lacked “first-hand” experience.
But if Cipollone is plagued by inconsistencies, he is blessed with a surfeit of adjectives and adverbs, which he deployed in great number in his reply to Nadler. It wasn’t just the impeachment inquiry but a “purported,” “baseless” and “highly partisan” one, with an “irretrievably broken process” characterized by “profound,” “unprecedented,” “historical,” “basic,” “arbitrary,” “fundamental,” “extremely troubling,” “false,” “rudimentary” and “unfair” elements.
Unfairest of all, Trump had “so little time to prepare” for the hearing, Cipollone carped, above a large, thick Trumpian signature.
Maybe he could have spent less time on Twitter?
If the president had a better defense, it stands to reason, his lawyer wouldn’t need such an adjectival arsenal. If we had a healthier political climate, Republicans would acknowledge Trump’s wrongdoing and propose, in lieu of impeachment, a bipartisan, bicameral resolution of censure.
Instead, they are in the ridiculous position of arguing that Trump and his representatives did absolutely nothing wrong, and of doing all they can to delegitimize Congress’s impeachment powers.
Thus did we have Collins on "Fox News Sunday," maintaining that “there’s nothing here that the president did wrong” and “nothing improper.” The improprieties were everybody else’s: Adam Schiff’s “motives” and “veracity,” Nadler’s “crazy” letters, something about the witness “ratio” at hearings and host Chris Wallace’s flawed premises.
“You’re pretty wound up, I’ve got to say,” Wallace observed.
Better wound up than unwound, as Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) showed himself to be. A week after he embraced Russian propaganda over U.S. intelligence on Wallace’s show, Kennedy went one step further in advancing Russia’s attempt to frame Ukraine for its 2016 election interference, telling NBC’s Chuck Todd on Sunday that Ukraine’s then-president “actively worked for Secretary Clinton.”
That’s exactly the sort of Russian disinformation that intelligence officials, in a recent briefing, pleaded with senators not to spread. “I wasn’t briefed,” Kennedy said.
Nor was he briefed, apparently, on the invitation for Trump and his counsel to participate in the impeachment hearing.
“His lawyer can't even be there,” the senator complained. “Have they allowed him to have his lawyer present? No.” Kennedy, brushing aside the unhelpful fact that Trump hasn’t allowed his advisers to testify or to provide documents to the inquiry, further claimed that Trump hasn’t been given a chance to clear himself.
Such claims can’t withstand the light of day. And this is why Trump won’t honor the invitation to participate or even the subpoenas demanding it: He can’t tell his side of the story because there isn’t one.
So Rachel Maddow didn’t fire Mike Flynn?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:01 am https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/02/politics ... index.html
More to come.
The only reason the r's are talking about the Ukraine is that o d campaign had dealings with the Russians. And they still want those facts hidden.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:01 am https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/02/politics ... index.html
More to come.
In essence, they were collaborating to create the false narrative. And pulling the strings behind the scenes to make sure there was real pressure. That is the most logical reason why Rudes is calling OMB.