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cradle, only because I think you might listen...the issue with Trump's returns specifically (as opposed to a more broad statement about how dumb some of our laws are) is that he has misrepresented an enormous deduction falsely, and a whole bunch of "smaller" ones as well. It's a gross patter of tax evasion, not merely legal tax "avoidance'.

Certainly, he has hidden from the voting public the sheer enormity of his evasions, the ridiculous grandiosity of many of his deductions.

So, both political and legal.

But likely far more important than basic 'evasion' are the questions about the likely difference between what he reported to bankers versus what he reported to the IRS. Very likely bank fraud and tax fraud.

And if that wasn't enough, the magnitude of his debts coming due versus the cash flows of those properties puts him at huge risk of kompromat from his lenders and from those who know how precarious his financial position is.

Let's be clear.
This isn't Warren Buffet's tax return or Mitt Romney's, both of whom follow the law scrupulously utilizing the deductions that are real and deserved under the law. They don't pay more than the law requires, but they also don't try to cheat.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:08 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:26 pm It must be their MO.

The in-laws regularly vote Democrat. They love talking about big government, the good of programs, and laud government oversight.

But yet they moved to FL to pay less taxes. And for some reason they also hire a good accountant each year to pay as few taxes as possible.



Makes no sense to me.

This is why to us Floridians, we can’t understand why libs want to live here, and really hate when they import their atrocious voting tendencies.

Maybe Pete you should pass a law that forces them to turn in all their sun screen?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:16 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:03 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:24 am

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:08 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 amSpain and france have seen 40 fold increases in case rates after extended lockdowns. 40 fold.

uk, italy and germany 10 fold increases after extended lockdowns. germany's and italy's totals are still (for now) at reasonable levels and germany has been the star of the first world all things considered. aspiring to be germany is a lofty goal.

lockdown would be to buy time?

Buy time til an effective, safe vaccine and effective, quick testing?

..

it's a strategy. if those come. i suspect if my friends at ihme are correct, we'll see lockdowns everywhere well before jan 20 and this debate won't matter. germany is expected to have daily cases rise to about 70-75 thousand per day in december, their death toll nearly triple by year end and who knows what for mortality in jan-feb.

here's to a vaccine.

Great news for China. Well played CCCP.

I thought that if elected Joe would cut the death rate in the USA down to zero on Nov. 5th? I know how sleazy the democrat leadership is. If they beat trump the miracle of miracles will happen... suddenly the death rate from Covid will not be such a big freaking deal anymore. The MM may not even post the daily body bag total everyday like the do now? One Covid starts becoming their problem, the rules of the game will change radically. I will bet good old Doc B won't give a flying fig about who dies from Covid anymore. He may not even remember what Covid is after Nov. 5th. The democrat party will come down with an even more bizarre medical malady. We can call it sudden onset Covid amnesia.

Quite the prediction, want to place a small bet on that?...Petey's yet to pay off on his crab bet, so there's an opening there for you...

But I would advise you that it's a bad bet.
I suspect we'll hear quite clearly what is actually happening, good, bad, and ugly.
And it won't be 'good' for quite a bit, unfortunately.
No magic wand.
But we'll have sound leadership come the last week of next January.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 pm cradle, only because I think you might listen...the issue with Trump's returns specifically (as opposed to a more broad statement about how dumb some of our laws are) is that he has misrepresented an enormous deduction falsely, and a whole bunch of "smaller" ones as well. It's a gross patter of tax evasion, not merely legal tax "avoidance'.

Certainly, he has hidden from the voting public the sheer enormity of his evasions, the ridiculous grandiosity of many of his deductions.

So, both political and legal.

But likely far more important than basic 'evasion' are the questions about the likely difference between what he reported to bankers versus what he reported to the IRS. Very likely bank fraud and tax fraud.

And if that wasn't enough, the magnitude of his debts coming due versus the cash flows of those properties puts him at huge risk of kompromat from his lenders and from those who know how precarious his financial position is.

Let's be clear.
This isn't Warren Buffet's tax return or Mitt Romney's, both of whom follow the law scrupulously utilizing the deductions that are real and deserved under the law. They don't pay more than the law requires, but they also don't try to cheat.

I hear what your saying and I agree to the extent I can understand this quagmire of how the IRS taxes the mega wealthy. What I don't understand is how the IRS, since they apparently audit his taxes every year have not figured out what he is up to. If you want to try and tell me that trump is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the IRS year after year after year... I would love to know how he pulls that off. If there is one thing the IRS excels at it is finding out when any taxpayer is trying to cheat them out of money. I know your not trying to tell me that trump has been able to outsmart the IRS are you?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 pm cradle, only because I think you might listen...the issue with Trump's returns specifically (as opposed to a more broad statement about how dumb some of our laws are) is that he has misrepresented an enormous deduction falsely, and a whole bunch of "smaller" ones as well. It's a gross patter of tax evasion, not merely legal tax "avoidance'.

Certainly, he has hidden from the voting public the sheer enormity of his evasions, the ridiculous grandiosity of many of his deductions.

So, both political and legal.

But likely far more important than basic 'evasion' are the questions about the likely difference between what he reported to bankers versus what he reported to the IRS. Very likely bank fraud and tax fraud.

And if that wasn't enough, the magnitude of his debts coming due versus the cash flows of those properties puts him at huge risk of kompromat from his lenders and from those who know how precarious his financial position is.

Let's be clear.
This isn't Warren Buffet's tax return or Mitt Romney's, both of whom follow the law scrupulously utilizing the deductions that are real and deserved under the law. They don't pay more than the law requires, but they also don't try to cheat.

I hear what your saying and I agree to the extent I can understand this quagmire of how the IRS taxes the mega wealthy. What I don't understand is how the IRS, since they apparently audit his taxes every year have not figured out what he is up to. If you want to try and tell me that trump is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the IRS year after year after year... I would love to know how he pulls that off. If there is one thing the IRS excels at it is finding out when any taxpayer is trying to cheat them out of money. I know your not trying to tell me that trump has been able to outsmart the IRS are you?

Not at all. Why do you think he and the IRS have been battling all these years?
You think they just missed it???
Nope, they're trying to get him to pay it. And have been for years.
He keeps giving them the finger...you want to know the difference between him and you (other than his complete lack of integrity)?
He can spend millions of dollars on lawyers and keep kicking the ball down the field.

Yup, it ain't fair...and that's why he didn't want you and other voters to know.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:22 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:16 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:03 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:24 am

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:08 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 amSpain and france have seen 40 fold increases in case rates after extended lockdowns. 40 fold.

uk, italy and germany 10 fold increases after extended lockdowns. germany's and italy's totals are still (for now) at reasonable levels and germany has been the star of the first world all things considered. aspiring to be germany is a lofty goal.

lockdown would be to buy time?

Buy time til an effective, safe vaccine and effective, quick testing?

..

it's a strategy. if those come. i suspect if my friends at ihme are correct, we'll see lockdowns everywhere well before jan 20 and this debate won't matter. germany is expected to have daily cases rise to about 70-75 thousand per day in december, their death toll nearly triple by year end and who knows what for mortality in jan-feb.

here's to a vaccine.

Great news for China. Well played CCCP.

I thought that if elected Joe would cut the death rate in the USA down to zero on Nov. 5th? I know how sleazy the democrat leadership is. If they beat trump the miracle of miracles will happen... suddenly the death rate from Covid will not be such a big freaking deal anymore. The MM may not even post the daily body bag total everyday like the do now? One Covid starts becoming their problem, the rules of the game will change radically. I will bet good old Doc B won't give a flying fig about who dies from Covid anymore. He may not even remember what Covid is after Nov. 5th. The democrat party will come down with an even more bizarre medical malady. We can call it sudden onset Covid amnesia.

Quite the prediction, want to place a small bet on that?...Petey's yet to pay off on his crab bet, so there's an opening there for you...

But I would advise you that it's a bad bet.
I suspect we'll hear quite clearly what is actually happening, good, bad, and ugly.
And it won't be 'good' for quite a bit, unfortunately.
No magic wand.
But we'll have sound leadership come the last week of next January.

Sound leadership standing by a huge boatload full of struggling business now going down the toilet instead of just circling it. I know here in NYS how effed up it is for businesses trying to survive. Here is a prime example of "sound leadership" for you. King Andy allowed bowling alleys to open up last month. Bowlers can only bowl on EVERY OTHER LANE. Your a smart cookie MD and I don't know if you ever bowled. How do you have league bowling with 10 bowlers trying to bowl on 1 lane? The answer is you can't, the concept was effing idiotic from the start. The end result is league bowling here in Rochester, which was big business for the bowling establishments is pooping the bed. At some point in time my friend the concept of sound leadership has to cross the intersection of common sense. That is not happening here in NYS.

Frank Luntz's undecided focus group produced interesting results. The right wing media, Townhall, Washington Examiner, are reporting it with enormous spin. I have seen a good number of articles and this one is fair. You can also see the entire 70 minutes if you care too. The undecideds now seem to lean much more heavily to bidden with 4 of the 16 saying they now plan to vote for bidden with 1 going for Trump (one changing her mind 10 minutes after saying she was going for Trump, saying she changed to Bidden, only to change back to undecided 30 minutes later). The remaining 10+1 if you listen to them seem much more likely to go for Biden. Trump did not do himself any favors last night.

IRS is currently contesting a $73 million refund Trump claimed.

If Trump loses, he'd owe $100 million with interest and penalties.

But because Trump controls IRS and DOJ right now, makes sense for that matter not to be pressed ahead right now. January will come soon enough.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:34 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:22 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:16 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:03 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:24 am

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:08 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 amSpain and france have seen 40 fold increases in case rates after extended lockdowns. 40 fold.

uk, italy and germany 10 fold increases after extended lockdowns. germany's and italy's totals are still (for now) at reasonable levels and germany has been the star of the first world all things considered. aspiring to be germany is a lofty goal.

lockdown would be to buy time?

Buy time til an effective, safe vaccine and effective, quick testing?

..

it's a strategy. if those come. i suspect if my friends at ihme are correct, we'll see lockdowns everywhere well before jan 20 and this debate won't matter. germany is expected to have daily cases rise to about 70-75 thousand per day in december, their death toll nearly triple by year end and who knows what for mortality in jan-feb.

here's to a vaccine.

Great news for China. Well played CCCP.

I thought that if elected Joe would cut the death rate in the USA down to zero on Nov. 5th? I know how sleazy the democrat leadership is. If they beat trump the miracle of miracles will happen... suddenly the death rate from Covid will not be such a big freaking deal anymore. The MM may not even post the daily body bag total everyday like the do now? One Covid starts becoming their problem, the rules of the game will change radically. I will bet good old Doc B won't give a flying fig about who dies from Covid anymore. He may not even remember what Covid is after Nov. 5th. The democrat party will come down with an even more bizarre medical malady. We can call it sudden onset Covid amnesia.

Quite the prediction, want to place a small bet on that?...Petey's yet to pay off on his crab bet, so there's an opening there for you...

But I would advise you that it's a bad bet.
I suspect we'll hear quite clearly what is actually happening, good, bad, and ugly.
And it won't be 'good' for quite a bit, unfortunately.
No magic wand.
But we'll have sound leadership come the last week of next January.

Sound leadership standing by a huge boatload full of struggling business now going down the toilet instead of just circling it. I know here in NYS how effed up it is for businesses trying to survive. Here is a prime example of "sound leadership" for you. King Andy allowed bowling alleys to open up last month. Bowlers can only bowl on EVERY OTHER LANE. Your a smart cookie MD and I don't know if you ever bowled. How do you have league bowling with 10 bowlers trying to bowl on 1 lane? The answer is you can't, the concept was effing idiotic from the start. The end result is league bowling here in Rochester, which was big business for the bowling establishments is pooping the bed. At some point in time my friend the concept of sound leadership has to cross the intersection of common sense. That is not happening here in NYS.

not sure whether Cuomo has ever thrown a strike in your book.

My aunt was an avid, competitive bowler, I've been at best a casual bowler once in a blue moon.

Leadership right now for small businesses, all sorts of small businesses, is going to need to be primarily financial support while the realities of COVID are addressed. Bowling is definitely not at the top of my list as "essential" but I do believe in supporting all such businesses that were normally surviving or thriving absent this COVID shock.

I also would look to the industry to come up with a way to actually return to operation safely, but if they can't, that's fine, support them financially in the interim.

That requires federal support, the states can't do it.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 pm cradle, only because I think you might listen...the issue with Trump's returns specifically (as opposed to a more broad statement about how dumb some of our laws are) is that he has misrepresented an enormous deduction falsely, and a whole bunch of "smaller" ones as well. It's a gross patter of tax evasion, not merely legal tax "avoidance'.

Certainly, he has hidden from the voting public the sheer enormity of his evasions, the ridiculous grandiosity of many of his deductions.

So, both political and legal.

But likely far more important than basic 'evasion' are the questions about the likely difference between what he reported to bankers versus what he reported to the IRS. Very likely bank fraud and tax fraud.

And if that wasn't enough, the magnitude of his debts coming due versus the cash flows of those properties puts him at huge risk of kompromat from his lenders and from those who know how precarious his financial position is.

Let's be clear.
This isn't Warren Buffet's tax return or Mitt Romney's, both of whom follow the law scrupulously utilizing the deductions that are real and deserved under the law. They don't pay more than the law requires, but they also don't try to cheat.

I hear what your saying and I agree to the extent I can understand this quagmire of how the IRS taxes the mega wealthy. What I don't understand is how the IRS, since they apparently audit his taxes every year have not figured out what he is up to. If you want to try and tell me that trump is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the IRS year after year after year... I would love to know how he pulls that off. If there is one thing the IRS excels at it is finding out when any taxpayer is trying to cheat them out of money. I know your not trying to tell me that trump has been able to outsmart the IRS are you?

Not at all. Why do you think he and the IRS have been battling all these years?
You think they just missed it???
Nope, they're trying to get him to pay it. And have been for years.
He keeps giving them the finger...you want to know the difference between him and you (other than his complete lack of integrity)?
He can spend millions of dollars on lawyers and keep kicking the ball down the field.

Yup, it ain't fair...and that's why he didn't want you and other voters to know.

He must be dealing with a different branch of the IRS than I am familiar with. The IRS that we all know and love has little tolerance for silly games. If they think you are jerking their chain they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. If Al Capone could not outsmart the IRS there is no way trump can. Sooner or later they will nail you to the wall. Can you even imagine what trumps penalties and interest would add up to? I find it hard to believe the IRS would allow this dance to go on for all these years. Patience is no virtue with the IRS and I can't comprehend the IRS playing second fiddle to anybodys army of attorneys. I am reminded of Frankie in the movie Goodfella's. He did not care about excuses. His simple philosophy was where is my effing money you owe me.

He must be dealing with a different branch of the IRS than I am familiar with. The IRS that we all know and love has little tolerance for silly games. If they think you are jerking their chain they will come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Um, you realize that Trump can hire/fire the guys who work at the IRS, right?

And that under DOJ policy and AG Barr, the IRS can't do anything to Trump while sitting as president?

Kinda makes a difference, dontcha think?

This about sums up last night, sound on: https://www.facebook.com/louis.loporto/ ... 4604329442

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:58 pm This about sums up last night, sound on: https://www.facebook.com/louis.loporto/ ... 4604329442

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:43 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:24 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 pm cradle, only because I think you might listen...the issue with Trump's returns specifically (as opposed to a more broad statement about how dumb some of our laws are) is that he has misrepresented an enormous deduction falsely, and a whole bunch of "smaller" ones as well. It's a gross patter of tax evasion, not merely legal tax "avoidance'.

Certainly, he has hidden from the voting public the sheer enormity of his evasions, the ridiculous grandiosity of many of his deductions.

So, both political and legal.

But likely far more important than basic 'evasion' are the questions about the likely difference between what he reported to bankers versus what he reported to the IRS. Very likely bank fraud and tax fraud.

And if that wasn't enough, the magnitude of his debts coming due versus the cash flows of those properties puts him at huge risk of kompromat from his lenders and from those who know how precarious his financial position is.

Let's be clear.
This isn't Warren Buffet's tax return or Mitt Romney's, both of whom follow the law scrupulously utilizing the deductions that are real and deserved under the law. They don't pay more than the law requires, but they also don't try to cheat.

I hear what your saying and I agree to the extent I can understand this quagmire of how the IRS taxes the mega wealthy. What I don't understand is how the IRS, since they apparently audit his taxes every year have not figured out what he is up to. If you want to try and tell me that trump is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the IRS year after year after year... I would love to know how he pulls that off. If there is one thing the IRS excels at it is finding out when any taxpayer is trying to cheat them out of money. I know your not trying to tell me that trump has been able to outsmart the IRS are you?

Not at all. Why do you think he and the IRS have been battling all these years?
You think they just missed it???
Nope, they're trying to get him to pay it. And have been for years.
He keeps giving them the finger...you want to know the difference between him and you (other than his complete lack of integrity)?
He can spend millions of dollars on lawyers and keep kicking the ball down the field.

Yup, it ain't fair...and that's why he didn't want you and other voters to know.

He must be dealing with a different branch of the IRS than I am familiar with. The IRS that we all know and love has little tolerance for silly games. If they think you are jerking their chain they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. If Al Capone could not outsmart the IRS there is no way trump can. Sooner or later they will nail you to the wall. Can you even imagine what trumps penalties and interest would add up to? I find it hard to believe the IRS would allow this dance to go on for all these years. Patience is no virtue with the IRS and I can't comprehend the IRS playing second fiddle to anybodys army of attorneys. I am reminded of Frankie in the movie Goodfella's. He did not care about excuses. His simple philosophy was where is my effing money you owe me.

I’ve begun to suspect MD and a fan are the same person. Their Fanlax syntax and thoughts are beginning to be indistinguishable from each other. I’ll need confirmation here on before replying again.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:03 pm I’ve begun to suspect MD and a fan are the same person. Their Fanlax syntax and thoughts are beginning to be indistinguishable from each other. I’ll need confirmation here on before replying again.

Nope. Just two dudes who know how cities work, and how taxes work.

If guys enjoy paying Trump's, Bezos, and the Clinton's taxes? By all means, maintain the current course. You can only explain things to folks so many times before you give up. I give up. You "win", and get to pay Trump's taxes for him.

Smart.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:18 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:08 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:26 pm It must be their MO.

The in-laws regularly vote Democrat. They love talking about big government, the good of programs, and laud government oversight.

But yet they moved to FL to pay less taxes. And for some reason they also hire a good accountant each year to pay as few taxes as possible.



Makes no sense to me.

This is why to us Floridians, we can’t understand why libs want to live here, and really hate when they import their atrocious voting tendencies.

Maybe Pete you should pass a law that forces them to turn in all their sun screen?

We treat yankee libs like zoo animals, we toss ‘em some peanuts and laugh at them, take pictures, etc. They’re not welcome to vote here however; they keep nominating the country’s most odious humans to office: Debbie Wasserman Schulz, Randy Andy Gillum, the human sleaze Charlie Crist. Ugh, the fact my taxes pay for these bozos hurts my cranium. I need some Leopolds to take the edge off.

Did a little reading on Bush v. Gore. Oh, I don’t know why.

Came across this interesting fact which I had forgotten. Initially, Florida officials rejected 2411 overseas (mainly military) ballots that had been received after the polls closed. When those ballots were rejected, Al Gore had a 202 vote lead. Bush went to court and a federal judge ruled that the overseas ballots should be counted, notwithstanding the fact that they were received after the deadline. When they were counted, Bush took the lead by over 500 votes.

I vaguely recall that Gore did not appeal this trial court ruling because he didn’t want to be perceived as trying to prevent military ballots from being counted.

Interesting little precedent that might be relevant in the coming weeks.

njbill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm Did a little reading on Bush v. Gore. Oh, I don’t know why.

Came across this interesting fact which I had forgotten. Initially, Florida officials rejected 2411 overseas (mainly military) ballots that had been received after the polls closed. When those ballots were rejected, Al Gore had a 202 vote lead. Bush went to court and a federal judge ruled that the overseas ballots should be counted, notwithstanding the fact that they were received after the deadline. When they were counted, Bush took the lead by over 500 votes.

I vaguely recall that Gore did not appeal this trial court ruling because he didn’t want to be perceived as trying to prevent military ballots from being counted.

Interesting little precedent that might be relevant in the coming weeks.

There’s a huge difference between honorable overseas military voting with postmarked envelopes versus Democratic concave-chest pimply Antifa activists stuffing phony ballots days after November 3 with no postmark because USPS union boys turn off the date machines from 11-4 to 11-7 while Democratic election officials turn a blind eye to the fraud so Biden can erase a 2% deficit in Pennsylvania.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:34 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:22 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:16 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:03 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:24 am

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:08 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:53 amSpain and france have seen 40 fold increases in case rates after extended lockdowns. 40 fold.

uk, italy and germany 10 fold increases after extended lockdowns. germany's and italy's totals are still (for now) at reasonable levels and germany has been the star of the first world all things considered. aspiring to be germany is a lofty goal.

lockdown would be to buy time?

Buy time til an effective, safe vaccine and effective, quick testing?

..

it's a strategy. if those come. i suspect if my friends at ihme are correct, we'll see lockdowns everywhere well before jan 20 and this debate won't matter. germany is expected to have daily cases rise to about 70-75 thousand per day in december, their death toll nearly triple by year end and who knows what for mortality in jan-feb.

here's to a vaccine.

Great news for China. Well played CCCP.

I thought that if elected Joe would cut the death rate in the USA down to zero on Nov. 5th? I know how sleazy the democrat leadership is. If they beat trump the miracle of miracles will happen... suddenly the death rate from Covid will not be such a big freaking deal anymore. The MM may not even post the daily body bag total everyday like the do now? One Covid starts becoming their problem, the rules of the game will change radically. I will bet good old Doc B won't give a flying fig about who dies from Covid anymore. He may not even remember what Covid is after Nov. 5th. The democrat party will come down with an even more bizarre medical malady. We can call it sudden onset Covid amnesia.

Quite the prediction, want to place a small bet on that?...Petey's yet to pay off on his crab bet, so there's an opening there for you...

But I would advise you that it's a bad bet.
I suspect we'll hear quite clearly what is actually happening, good, bad, and ugly.
And it won't be 'good' for quite a bit, unfortunately.
No magic wand.
But we'll have sound leadership come the last week of next January.

Sound leadership standing by a huge boatload full of struggling business now going down the toilet instead of just circling it. I know here in NYS how effed up it is for businesses trying to survive. Here is a prime example of "sound leadership" for you. King Andy allowed bowling alleys to open up last month. Bowlers can only bowl on EVERY OTHER LANE. Your a smart cookie MD and I don't know if you ever bowled. How do you have league bowling with 10 bowlers trying to bowl on 1 lane? The answer is you can't, the concept was effing idiotic from the start. The end result is league bowling here in Rochester, which was big business for the bowling establishments is pooping the bed. At some point in time my friend the concept of sound leadership has to cross the intersection of common sense. That is not happening here in NYS.

not sure whether Cuomo has ever thrown a strike in your book.

My aunt was an avid, competitive bowler, I've been at best a casual bowler once in a blue moon.

Leadership right now for small businesses, all sorts of small businesses, is going to need to be primarily financial support while the realities of COVID are addressed. Bowling is definitely not at the top of my list as "essential" but I do believe in supporting all such businesses that were normally surviving or thriving absent this COVID shock.

I also would look to the industry to come up with a way to actually return to operation safely, but if they can't, that's fine, support them financially in the interim.

That requires federal support, the states can't do it.

":D not sure whether Cuomo has ever thrown a strike in your book."

If he did I was not at the game. I know he throws a lot of balks.

The problem as I see it, at least here in NYS, is nobody knows when things can get back to something resembling normal. My job vanished when the restaurant and bar business hit the skids. The business owners that could afford to adapt have squeaked it out. The guy that runs our local pizza emporium has seen his business go through the roof. He never did have sit down customers. He was pretty much always take out and delivery. He adapted with no problem at all. If you run a local gin joint and you made your money on that cranking bar on Friday and Saturday nights, you have taken a huge hit. Bowling alleys taking a hit may not seem like a big deal to you. In the big scheme of things it probably is not. IMO for each little piece of our normal life we are forced to give up, we lose something we may never get back. If we listen to what the folks that run this state are telling us, we better damn well get use to the status quo.

"I also would look to the industry to come up with a way to actually return to operation safely, but if they can't, that's fine, support them financially in the interim."

King Andy and his court jesters are the ones determining what the parameters are for business to start up again. In some cases they have used common sense. In other instances their criteria for what they consider opening safely are nowhere near realistic. My neighbor owns a small cabaret theatre in downtown Rochester. It seats 100 people or so. He has been told he may possibly have a green light early in 2021 to open up at 50% capacity. Opening at 50% capacity wont keep the lights on. The profit margin is not there. He is in the same boat with a ton of other business owners. You see how long you can tread water before you sink to the bottom.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:15 pm

njbill wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm Did a little reading on Bush v. Gore. Oh, I don’t know why.

Came across this interesting fact which I had forgotten. Initially, Florida officials rejected 2411 overseas (mainly military) ballots that had been received after the polls closed. When those ballots were rejected, Al Gore had a 202 vote lead. Bush went to court and a federal judge ruled that the overseas ballots should be counted, notwithstanding the fact that they were received after the deadline. When they were counted, Bush took the lead by over 500 votes.

I vaguely recall that Gore did not appeal this trial court ruling because he didn’t want to be perceived as trying to prevent military ballots from being counted.

Interesting little precedent that might be relevant in the coming weeks.

There’s a huge difference between honorable overseas military voting with postmarked envelopes versus Democratic concave-chest pimply Antifa activists stuffing phony ballots days after November 3 with no postmark because USPS union boys turn off the date machines from 11-4 to 11-7 while Democratic election officials turn a blind eye to the fraud so Biden can erase a 2% deficit in Pennsylvania.

I get the sick feeling that this upcoming election is going to resemble last nights debate. The writing is all over the wall. It wont matter which of these candidates win. The other side is already planning their counter attack in case they lose. There is sure to be a whole lotta voter suppression going on out there. In a normal year we would all know who the president was on election night. In this very abnormal year we don't even have a clue nation wide how long it will take to count all the votes. The courts sure are going to be busy picking our new POTUS.