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Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:26 pm
by get it to x
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:16 pm
Pushing Russia's military out of Ukraine, the Ukrainians believe, is doable with Western arms and Ukrainian resolve. Russia's military morale is very, very low. I think they're right, and it makes a ton of sense to find out whether they are.

Achieving reparations and full accountability for war crimes is most likely going to take much longer, but it's an important objective. There's no way that the EU, and most NATO countries for that matter, will be investing in Russia while Putin is still in power. In part, that's what the ICC war crimes indictment and UN condemnation nail down. Sanctions will continue, the withdrawal from Russian energy will continue.

Putin won't last forever, and Russia will be offered a second chance then...
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You are delusional. Many in the west are finally arriving at the conclusion that Russia will not be ejected from the Donbas with just Ukrainian forces. Ukraine will run out of soldiers long before that happens. Reparations and war crimes? You must work for The State Department. Germany would sue for peace right now just to trade with Russia again. You underestimate the EU men, materiel and their resolve. Even Ukraine is growing weary.

https://asiatimes.com/2023/03/why-ukrai ... eace-plan/

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:42 pm
by MDlaxfan76
get it to x wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:16 pm
Pushing Russia's military out of Ukraine, the Ukrainians believe, is doable with Western arms and Ukrainian resolve. Russia's military morale is very, very low. I think they're right, and it makes a ton of sense to find out whether they are.

Achieving reparations and full accountability for war crimes is most likely going to take much longer, but it's an important objective. There's no way that the EU, and most NATO countries for that matter, will be investing in Russia while Putin is still in power. In part, that's what the ICC war crimes indictment and UN condemnation nail down. Sanctions will continue, the withdrawal from Russian energy will continue.

Putin won't last forever, and Russia will be offered a second chance then...
You are delusional. Many in the west are finally arriving at the conclusion that Russia will not be ejected from the Donbas with just Ukrainian forces. Ukraine will run out of soldiers long before that happens. Reparations and war crimes? You must work for The State Department. Germany would sue for peace right now just to trade with Russia again. You underestimate the EU men, materiel and their resolve. Even Ukraine is growing weary.

https://asiatimes.com/2023/03/why-ukrai ... eace-plan/
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hey, it's no surprise that you're part of the Surrender Caucus.

Keep eating up that Russian propaganda.

Germany is drastically increasing it's military production, and has been doing so for these past months...that's a long term commitment requiring long term contracts so that producers can increase their capacities, not a one time shot.

We've just announced that, contrary to earlier reporting, Patriot missile systems will be in Ukraine, with fully trained Ukrainian personnel, this spring, the Abrams will be delivered, with fully trained crews, by next fall, rather than a year + away.

Fighter jets are now being delivered, not F-16's yet, but lots of those are scheduled for delivery to those contributing older fleet.

There's more and more capability being delivered in all kinds of systems, armored capabilities, etc, rapid movement capabilities and Leopard tanks...

The wild card would be if China decides to arm the Russians, but if not, the Russians are running out of ammunition and morale is disastrously low...the Ukrainians just took out a bunch of missiles at a depot in Crimea, demonstrating longer range strike capabilities...expect more such.

But hey, if you want the Ukrainians to surrender because that would somehow, what, prove Biden is senile?, go ahead...

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:50 pm
by Brooklyn
Ben Ferencz calls for Nuremberg prosecution for Putin:

Benjamin Ferencz is the last surviving Nuremberg prosecutor. He says Vladimir Putin is "certainly" a war criminal.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-vl ... n-ferencz/


As Ukrainian authorities and the international community work to meticulously collate mounting evidence of Russian war crimes in Ukraine, the last surviving prosecutor from the Nuremberg trials of World War II-era Nazi officials told CBS News that Russian President Vladimir Putin is "certainly" a war criminal.

Benjamin Ferencz, now 102, fought in some of the most significant battles of World War II. He was a young lawyer, recently graduated from Harvard Law School, when he was assigned to a unit tasked with gathering evidence of the Nazi's war crimes in Europe.

"It was horror. It was incredible and indescribable. My job was to get into the concentration camps as they were being liberated, so by the time I got there, the SS was fleeing. The American army was chasing them, and the ground was covered with dead people, some of them still partly alive, pleading with their eyes for help. All of them looked like they were starving. It was not only an unforgettable experience, it was completely traumatic, and I always have that picture," Ferencz told CBS News.

He led a team of researchers that found a cache of German documents outlining the systematic mass murder of mainly Jewish people outside of the Nazis' concentration camps, in the towns where they lived. At the age of just 27, he ended up prosecuting 22 leaders of Nazi units at Nuremburg for those crimes. All were found guilty.


"It was obviously so horrible that you can't go away from that saying, 'Well, that was a one-time shot.' It's been repeated again and again, and it goes on today. As we talk, people are being shot and killed who had nothing to do with the war [in Ukraine]," Ferencz said. "So, evils that I sought — Nuremberg sought — to correct, are still with us today, and we have begun to build a foundation which is more humane and rational, but we have a lot more to go."

Ferencz has joined Ukraine's foreign minister, former world leaders, and legal scholars in advocating for the creation of a special Nuremberg-style international tribunal to try the leadership of the Russian Federation for the war crime of aggression, which is the act of waging an illegal war.

Ferencz said it would be an important move "not only in the context of this case… but to state the principle that you may not commit aggression against a neighboring state, or anybody."

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27-year-old Ben Ferencz became the chief prosecutor of 22 Einsatzgruppen commanders at Nuremberg.
In the case of Russia's invasion of Ukraine — barring an extremely unlikely referral from the United Nations Security Council, where Russia has veto power — the International Criminal Court does not have jurisdiction over the crime of aggression, so a separate tribunal would be necessary for an indictment. And while culpability for other war crimes might not make it all the way up the chain of command to Putin himself, the crime of aggression could.

"Certainly he's a war criminal. You don't have to think too much about that," Ferencz told CBS News.

As to whether Putin himself will ever actually face justice, Ferencz acknowledged, "that's another question. Justice is a big term, for one thing. He's a man who has been elected to office. He has supporters in the country."


Ferencz offered a simple message to Putin: "Stop it… The use of force has really become obsolete in our time, because our capacity to kill has exceeded our capacity to help people, and we've got to turn that around."

Ferencz said the world should turn away from using force in general, and rely on courts of law instead.

"We ought to recognize humanity should come first, and a more humane and peaceful world should be our goal, not a more powerful [world]. You have to be tolerant. You have to be patient. You have to be persistent," he told CBS News. "When you get to be 102, you'll say: 'I knew a guy — 102 — and that's what he was preaching. And you know what, he was right.'"




Too bad the world ignored him when he called for traitor Bush's prosecution when he engaged in his Nazi style global terrorism.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:53 pm
by PizzaSnake
Oops. Is this what Putler wanted?

"The Army now has a permanent garrison in Poland, a major milestone underscoring that country's central role as a hub of NATO support for Ukraine's fight against invading Russian forces."

"The U.S. Army Garrison Poland is the eighth garrison the Pentagon has in Europe, with others being in Italy, Belgium and Germany."

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... oland.html

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:11 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 am You are frequently well informed about specific military systems, much better than most of us, and this is appreciated, but you've been wrong about the willingness to supply the Ukrainians with additional systems...
You may recall that I opined we should be sending older, immediately available M1A1 tanks, rather than waiting for new M1A2's.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russ ... 440bcb4d40
The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model that can be ready faster, with the aim of getting the 70-ton battle powerhouses to the war zone by the fall, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

The original plan was to send Ukraine 31 of the newer M1A2 Abrams, which could have taken a year or two to build and ship. But officials said the decision was made to send the older M1A1 version, which can be taken from Army stocks. Officials said the M1A1 also will be easier for Ukrainian forces to learn to use and maintain as they fight the invading Russian forces.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:14 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:11 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 am You are frequently well informed about specific military systems, much better than most of us, and this is appreciated, but you've been wrong about the willingness to supply the Ukrainians with additional systems...
You may recall that I opined we should be sending older, immediately available M1A1 tanks, rather than waiting for new M1A2's.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russ ... 440bcb4d40
The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model that can be ready faster, with the aim of getting the 70-ton battle powerhouses to the war zone by the fall, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

The original plan was to send Ukraine 31 of the newer M1A2 Abrams, which could have taken a year or two to build and ship. But officials said the decision was made to send the older M1A1 version, which can be taken from Army stocks. Officials said the M1A1 also will be easier for Ukrainian forces to learn to use and maintain as they fight the invading Russian forces.
Exactly the sort of insight which I appreciate. 👍

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:52 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:14 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:11 pm You may recall that I opined we should be sending older, immediately available M1A1 tanks, rather than waiting for new M1A2's.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russ ... 440bcb4d40
The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model that can be ready faster, with the aim of getting the 70-ton battle powerhouses to the war zone by the fall, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

The original plan was to send Ukraine 31 of the newer M1A2 Abrams, which could have taken a year or two to build and ship. But officials said the decision was made to send the older M1A1 version, which can be taken from Army stocks. Officials said the M1A1 also will be easier for Ukrainian forces to learn to use and maintain as they fight the invading Russian forces.
Exactly the sort of insight which I appreciate. 👍
They buried the lede in that story. The whole thing was about incremental escalation.

" The decision was part of a broader political maneuver that opened the door for Germany to announce it would send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine and allow Poland and other allies to do the same."

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm
by a fan
The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:13 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?
All the above.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:13 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?
All the above.
Ah. Well, until an EO signed by Biden in March of last year? You or I could buy Russian bonds. The US is STILL trading with Russia, in case you didn't know.

And Russia defaulted on payments in June of last year. So.....who the F knows if China would be interested in making that investment.

If you don't have time to listen-------basically, all GDP info. on Russia comes directly from Putin. He just invents whatever number he chooses, and the IMF runs with it. But the economist that is interviewed looks at data that he CAN get....and it's not a good picture for the Russian economy.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:13 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?
All the above.
Ah. Well, until an EO signed by Biden in March of last year? You or I could buy Russian bonds. The US is STILL trading with Russia, in case you didn't know.

And Russia defaulted on payments in June of last year. So.....who the F knows if China would be interested in making that investment.

If you don't have time to listen-------basically, all GDP info. on Russia comes directly from Putin. He just invents whatever number he chooses, and the IMF runs with it. But the economist that is interviewed looks at data that he CAN get....and it's not a good picture for the Russian economy.
Are you not concerned by the recent actions taken icw with China & Iran which appear to be an attempt to supplant the US $ as the global reserve currency ? That's the way it's playing on the EUro evening news.

Chips from China ?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:23 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:13 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?
All the above.
Ah. Well, until an EO signed by Biden in March of last year? You or I could buy Russian bonds. The US is STILL trading with Russia, in case you didn't know.

And Russia defaulted on payments in June of last year. So.....who the F knows if China would be interested in making that investment.

If you don't have time to listen-------basically, all GDP info. on Russia comes directly from Putin. He just invents whatever number he chooses, and the IMF runs with it. But the economist that is interviewed looks at data that he CAN get....and it's not a good picture for the Russian economy.
Are you not concerned by the recent actions taken icw with China & Iran which appear to be an attempt to supplant the US $ as the global reserve currency ? That's the way it's playing on the EUro evening news.
No, not really. How are fascists from, what-----four to eight different fascist countries----going to agree on a new currency? And what's the point of this currency, if each country is still using their own corrupted currency? Can you picture China giving up their own currency...and all the control that comes with it....... for this new made up venture?

I'll worry about it if it actually happens. Folks have been claiming we're going off the dollar since I was born.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:27 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
Chips from China ?
Biden already started the pivot away from China.

We have different views. Your consistent view is that both China and Russia are holding all the economic cards.

I completely disagree with this, and don't understand where or how you have arrived at this opinion. It makes discussion difficult.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:30 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:27 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
Chips from China ?
Biden already started the pivot away from China.

We have different views. Your consistent view is that both China and Russia are holding all the economic cards.

I completely disagree with this, and don't understand where or how you have arrived at this opinion. It makes discussion difficult.
... :lol: it makes it difficult when people don't automatically agree with you.

Chips for Russia. The youtube prof tells about refrigerators being disassembled to get the chips.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:33 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:30 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:27 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
Chips from China ?
Biden already started the pivot away from China.

We have different views. Your consistent view is that both China and Russia are holding all the economic cards.

I completely disagree with this, and don't understand where or how you have arrived at this opinion. It makes discussion difficult.
... :lol: it makes it difficult when people don't automatically agree with you.

Chips for Russia. The youtube prof tells about refrigerators being disassembled to get the chips.
I believe China is in worse shape than we are as it relates to “computer” chips.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:40 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:23 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:13 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:23 pm The sh*tshow that is the Russian economy.....selling oil at a loss to China and India. Starts around 9.30.

And discusses where the "economic information" comes from on how Russia's economy is faring.

(spoiler alert: like everything out of Russia, it's simply invented by Putin)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0resswOds
Haven’t listed yet, how much does China bankroll Putin to keep him in their back pocket?
You mean via oil purchases?
All the above.
Ah. Well, until an EO signed by Biden in March of last year? You or I could buy Russian bonds. The US is STILL trading with Russia, in case you didn't know.

And Russia defaulted on payments in June of last year. So.....who the F knows if China would be interested in making that investment.

If you don't have time to listen-------basically, all GDP info. on Russia comes directly from Putin. He just invents whatever number he chooses, and the IMF runs with it. But the economist that is interviewed looks at data that he CAN get....and it's not a good picture for the Russian economy.
Are you not concerned by the recent actions taken icw with China & Iran which appear to be an attempt to supplant the US $ as the global reserve currency ? That's the way it's playing on the EUro evening news.
No, not really. How are fascists from, what-----four to eight different fascist countries----going to agree on a new currency? And what's the point of this currency, if each country is still using their own corrupted currency? Can you picture China giving up their own currency...and all the control that comes with it....... for this new made up venture?

I'll worry about it if it actually happens. Folks have been claiming we're going off the dollar since I was born.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-tur ... r-a8111457

Russia Turns to China’s Yuan in Effort to Ditch the Dollar
Moscow has jettisoned longstanding concerns about giving China too much leverage over its economy

Feb. 28, 2023
The Chinese currency’s rise inside Russia deepens ties between two countries that have long rivaled each other for global influence but have grown closer amid shared discontent with the West. It also serves China’s long standing but mostly frustrated campaign to make the yuan a more prominent feature of global finance and commerce.

Moscow has jettisoned concerns about giving China too much leverage over its economy, said Alexander Gabuev, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“Now it’s the only rational choice for Russia and for Putin,” Mr. Gabuev said. “If depending on renminbi is the lifeline that helps you to be less exposed and less dependent on hostile currencies, then you take this route.”

A spokesperson for the Russian Ministry of Finance said the yuan is “taking an increasingly important role” in its sovereign-wealth fund, which doubled the share of yuan it can hold to 60% in December. The ministry started selling yuan in January to plug its widening budget deficit.

The share of Russian exports paid for in yuan rose to 14% by September, according to data from the central bank. That is up from 0.4% before the start of the war.

Russia began cutting its dependence on the dollar in 2014 after its annexation of Crimea. By 2018, as the U.S. imposed additional economic sanctions, the country began to sell its holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds and explore trade in rubles and other currencies.

De-dollarization went into overdrive, and widened to include the euro, last year. Western countries froze some $300 billion of Russia’s foreign reserves and banned some of its banks from the SWIFT messaging system that underpins most global payments in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Russians don’t face an outright ban on using dollars or euros, and non-sanctioned banks continue to do business in foreign currencies.

Booming trade between Russia and China added to the yuan’s appeal. China has become a major buyer of Russian oil that is shunned by the West, while Russia has grown more dependent on China for semiconductors and other technology.

Russian companies have also turned to the yuan and issued bonds in the Chinese currency worth the equivalent of more than $7 billion last year, according to Refinitiv data. In recent weeks, the yuan-ruble was often the most traded currency pair on the Moscow Exchange based on daily volume.

Aluminum giant Rusal was the first company to issue yuan bonds inside Russia last August, and other commodity exporters like oil firm Rosneft followed. Most trade with China and can use yuan raised for everyday business, for example to pay invoices.

The Russian broker that arranged Bistrodengi’s previous ruble bond offerings ran the deal, and buyers were predominantly individual Russian investors, he said. It swapped the yuan back into rubles.

Mr. Romashkin said there were technological hiccups. Some brokers weren’t fully set up to sell yuan securities, with some displaying incorrect information about Bistrodengi’s bonds, he said. Some didn’t allow investors to buy bonds using their app, instead requiring trades be done over the phone.

“Gradually we are solving these problems and subsequent placements have had fewer technical problems compared to when we started the process late last year,” he said.

Households are warming up to the yuan. Nearly 50 financial institutions offer yuan savings accounts, according to comparison site Banki.ru. The first yuan-denominated exchange-traded fund launched on the Moscow Exchange in January.

Households held almost $6 billion worth of yuan deposited at the end of last year at Russian banks, according to data from the central bank. That is up from zero at the start of the year, and is now more than a 10th of the $53 billion in foreign currency that households held.

Russian financial blogger and consultant Olga Gogaladze, who has more than 2 million Instagram followers, in October published a guide to the yuan after being inundated with questions about the currency last year. Russians have long bought dollars and euros to protect themselves against the ruble’s volatility. That changed last year as banks instituted fees on those accounts and many worried about the impact of Western sanctions.

“Conversations were going around about the end of the dollar,” Ms. Gogaladze said. “The yuan was presented as an available alternative.”

She has a yuan bank account at Russian digital bank Tinkoff but still prefers to hold most of her money in rubles, euros and dollars. She said yuan accounts typically have lower interest rates than those for rubles, but they still can be a good option for people worried about a devaluation of the ruble.

Households held almost $6 billion worth of yuan deposited at the end of last year at Russian banks.
“When people see the ruble is getting weaker and weaker, they don’t care about the yield, they just want to save their money,” she said.

While still in its early days, some see Russia’s yuan use as a test case in a debate that has long captivated the financial world: Will the yuan eventually rival the dollar as the world’s dominant currency?

But building the infrastructure to circumvent the dollar-based financial system built up over decades is slow, difficult and expensive, said Eswar Prasad, a professor at Cornell University and former head of the International Monetary Fund’s China division.

China launched a cross-border payments system known as CIPS in 2015 that has been billed as an eventual competitor to the 50-year-old SWIFT network. But its system hasn’t yet been widely adopted by other countries, according to Mr. Prasad. Instead, Russian and Chinese banks rely on networks of local branches and correspondent banks to process transactions without SWIFT. The Russian central bank this month set up an international settlements department it said would focus on expanding settlements in national currencies.

While Russia’s use of the yuan doesn’t mean the end of dollar supremacy, it may usher in the beginning of a more fractured system that could ultimately blunt the U.S.’s ability to use financial sanctions as a weapon, said Daniel McDowell, a professor at Syracuse University who recently wrote a book on the topic.

“The more countries you force to find those alternatives,” Mr. McDowell said, “effectively what you’re going to do is increase economies of scale and experience in those areas.”

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:41 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:33 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:30 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:27 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
Chips from China ?
Biden already started the pivot away from China.

We have different views. Your consistent view is that both China and Russia are holding all the economic cards.

I completely disagree with this, and don't understand where or how you have arrived at this opinion. It makes discussion difficult.
... :lol: it makes it difficult when people don't automatically agree with you.

Chips for Russia. The youtube prof tells about refrigerators being disassembled to get the chips.
I believe China is in worse shape than we are as it relates to “computer” chips.
...but are they in good enough shape to help Russia ?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:51 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:41 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:33 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:30 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:27 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:07 pm
Chips from China ?
Biden already started the pivot away from China.

We have different views. Your consistent view is that both China and Russia are holding all the economic cards.

I completely disagree with this, and don't understand where or how you have arrived at this opinion. It makes discussion difficult.
... :lol: it makes it difficult when people don't automatically agree with you.

Chips for Russia. The youtube prof tells about refrigerators being disassembled to get the chips.
I believe China is in worse shape than we are as it relates to “computer” chips.
...but are they in good enough shape to help Russia ?
I don’t know. Help Russian “companies” to what extent? Or are these chips for Russian government installations?