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LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016. Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary. Will there be an investigation? Followed by career diplomats who did not like their Apple cart being upset and amazing hearing capabilities here I just convinced my wife I cannot hear here So after 5 days how many diplomats and ambassadors does it take to have the Ukraine’s to mess in our election? Btw if they were doing their job it would have never happened. The fawning is over the top and I am pretty sure if in a different setting many others would have been fired.

As to Rudy did you ever consider that there are allot of fish in the ocean and like many people I know you delegate.

The hatred is sad.

Last point never in my 6 years active nor 25 year business career did I ever run into a Hopkins or Dartmouth grad. Where do you guys hide besides this board?

Well I can understand Dartmouth, but a lacrosse player who has never met a Hopkins grad, obviously was playing at a pretty low level.

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016. Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary. Will there be an investigation? Followed by career diplomats who did not like their Apple cart being upset and amazing hearing capabilities here I just convinced my wife I cannot hear here So after 5 days how many diplomats and ambassadors does it take to have the Ukraine’s to mess in our election? Btw if they were doing their job it would have never happened. The fawning is over the top and I am pretty sure if in a different setting many others would have been fired.

As to Rudy did you ever consider that there are allot of fish in the ocean and like many people I know you delegate.

The hatred is sad.

Last point never in my 6 years active nor 25 year business career did I ever run into a Hopkins or Dartmouth grad. Where do you guys hide besides this board?

You run in small circles if you don't know any Dartmouth or Hopkins alums...heck, I'm all the way down in Florida and two doors down I meet a fellow whose dad went to Dartmouth, his uncles went to Dartmouth, he was a black sheep and went to Tulane...dinner last night with two Dartmouth alums (that not actually a coincidence). But hey, it's a small college but there are those who love it ( ~ Daniel Webster )

Did you actually listen to Hill on why some Ukrainian pols preferred HRC???
Trump had just said that Ukrainians wanted to be part of Russia...nah, why would they prefer her??
And that many, many allies pols said unflattering things about Trump and that she understood why that would bother him...

But no, no one from Ukraine actually messed with our election, much less the nonsense about Crowdstrike (the specific debunked conspiracy theory cited by Trump in the call with Zelensky).

But ignore reality, LandM, you have company.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:54 pm

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016. Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary. Will there be an investigation? Followed by career diplomats who did not like their Apple cart being upset and amazing hearing capabilities here I just convinced my wife I cannot hear here So after 5 days how many diplomats and ambassadors does it take to have the Ukraine’s to mess in our election? Btw if they were doing their job it would have never happened. The fawning is over the top and I am pretty sure if in a different setting many others would have been fired.

As to Rudy did you ever consider that there are allot of fish in the ocean and like many people I know you delegate.

The hatred is sad.

Last point never in my 6 years active nor 25 year business career did I ever run into a Hopkins or Dartmouth grad. Where do you guys hide besides this board?

Well I can understand Dartmouth, but a lacrosse player who has never met a Hopkins grad, obviously was playing at a pretty low level.

That too!

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016. Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary. Will there be an investigation? Followed by career diplomats who did not like their Apple cart being upset and amazing hearing capabilities here I just convinced my wife I cannot hear here So after 5 days how many diplomats and ambassadors does it take to have the Ukraine’s to mess in our election? Btw if they were doing their job it would have never happened. The fawning is over the top and I am pretty sure if in a different setting many others would have been fired.

As to Rudy did you ever consider that there are allot of fish in the ocean and like many people I know you delegate.

The hatred is sad.

Last point never in my 6 years active nor 25 year business career did I ever run into a Hopkins or Dartmouth grad. Where do you guys hide besides this board?

You are not watching normal MSM if you think that there was interference by both the Ukrainian government and the Russian one. Just the latter.

Russia had dozens of people in a secret hacking group both breaking into Democratic computer systems/email systems and pushing fake social media. A well organized and well funded effort backed directly and ordered by Putin.

What happened in Ukraine was _far_ different - some of the information in the Steele dossier came from sources there (a privately funded effort by a law firm friendly to the Clinton campaign), and a reporter dug up a secret ledger while investigating corruption in Ukraine that found payments from the deposed former president to Paul Manafort. That was corruption, but not interference in the US election as intent. Only as a side effect, as the publication of the ledger led to Manafort being forced to resign from the Trump campaign (a position he volunteered for free and probably was still owing certain oligarchs in Ukraine). It also led to the discovery of sham transactions by Manafort to cover the money coming in which led to his conviction.

There was no government organized effort to perform US election interference - but since Trump had chosen a bad person to help run his campaign, he deserves what happened. There was no conspiracy - it was actually a normal press effort to expose corruption.

So you are wrong to think there was equal bad behavior on both sides (which is exactly what the Trump/Fox/Republican noise machine wants you to think).

That is why Fiona Hill so strongly objected today (to Nunes face in particular) that the only true state interference in the 2016 election was by the Russians to favor Trump. She knows more that most people in the world what happened being the Russian expert she is.

If Trump's behavior toward Ukraine corruption isn't manifest corruption itself, what exactly should it be called?

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016. Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary. Will there be an investigation? Followed by career diplomats who did not like their Apple cart being upset and amazing hearing capabilities here I just convinced my wife I cannot hear here So after 5 days how many diplomats and ambassadors does it take to have the Ukraine’s to mess in our election? Btw if they were doing their job it would have never happened. The fawning is over the top and I am pretty sure if in a different setting many others would have been fired.

As to Rudy did you ever consider that there are allot of fish in the ocean and like many people I know you delegate.

The hatred is sad.

Last point never in my 6 years active nor 25 year business career did I ever run into a Hopkins or Dartmouth grad. Where do you guys hide besides this board?

Trump will be impeached by these folks and then the dog and pony show moves over to the senate. I wonder how this ends when the senate votes? Even mittens very likely will not jump ship. So we can fast forward to the 2020 elections. The unknown is what Democrat rises to the top. The Republicans will pump millions of dollars into Trump re-election ads stating how he was vindicated by a trial of his peers in the senate. The rabid fanatical newly energized and very angry Trump base gets off their ass and comes out to vote. Their boy howdy has been done wrong and they want revenge. The Democrats will trot out their man/woman that will whine and complain about too many rich people and they need to pay their fair share. Someone correct me here if I am wrong. I am pretty sure there are a boatload of very wealthy Democrats that will not be all that happy about handing over their money to the gubmint. Funny thing about all them 1% folks, no matter their party, they want to keep their money. The fact that can not be ignored... these 1% people call the shots to their respective political puppets. The respective parties will do what they are told to do. If yall want those campaign contributions. Does that qualify as a QPQ? I give you this....$$$$$$$$$$ and you give me the protection from taxes I want. No, not the same thing at all.

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information. Followed by the Russians and Ukraine’s messing in our election. Little secret this all did not start nor magically happen in 2016.

Congratulations. You were outwitted by Congressman Jordan, falling for his misdirection. What the heck does the 2016 election have ANYTHING to do with the matter at hand?

Nothing whatsoever. Might as well talk about the price of tea in China while we're at it. Misdirection. It doesn't matter.

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm Interesting that Ukraine picked Hillary.

Who told you that? FoxNews? "Some guy" on the internet.

Come on, man.

LandM wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:47 pm I need to obviously switch my googles or the channel about all I heard was second and third hand information.

Yep, you need to switch your goggles. Dude, you're acting like you just saw a bunch of janitors in the Embassy testify today.

Every. single. person. directly responsible for US policy in the Ukraine all told you the same story. That Trump demanded an announcement of an investigation into Biden before aid was released.

And you're mocking it and calling it third hand information....while at the same time, you gleefully report to us that "the Ukraine chose Hillary" as if you heard that from the Lord himself, and is the unvarnished truth.

You're unable to see your over the top bias here? Seriously??

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:09 pm Trump will be impeached by these folks and then the dog and pony show moves over to the senate. I wonder how this ends when the senate votes?

The tone will be much more serious in the Senate.

Do you know who guides proceedings in a Senate Impeachment Trial?

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:14 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:09 pm Trump will be impeached by these folks and then the dog and pony show moves over to the senate. I wonder how this ends when the senate votes?

The tone will be much more serious in the Senate.

Do you know who guides proceedings in a Senate Impeachment Trial?

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for impeachment of a president...

Bolton and his testimony or not will be incredibly influential. Wonder what he thinks the Constitution says about this whole sordid affair.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:16 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:14 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:09 pm Trump will be impeached by these folks and then the dog and pony show moves over to the senate. I wonder how this ends when the senate votes?

The tone will be much more serious in the Senate.

Do you know who guides proceedings in a Senate Impeachment Trial?

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for impeachment of a president...

Yup. Looking forward to seeing how Roberts will handle this.

Picture what that will look like...Senate Republicans are NOT looking forward to that, I can assure you. Roberts will visually dispel any notion of partisanship, and bring the gravity of what's happening in stark, visual terms for most Americans.

Can't wait to hear FoxNation paint him as a neverTrumper.

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:18 pm Bolton and his testimony or not will be incredibly influential. Wonder what he thinks the Constitution says about this whole sordid affair.

He'll be forced to testify in the House Trial. Count on it.

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:30 pm Okay.
You have one shcidt pie, two faces to throw it at.
Donald Trump (your choice, Jr or Sr) and Rudy Giuliani.
Who ya throwin' at?

Argh. That is too hard.

I think the two Trumps. I dislike the supercilious little turd almost as much as I do his father.

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:21 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:18 pm Bolton and his testimony or not will be incredibly influential. Wonder what he thinks the Constitution says about this whole sordid affair.

He'll be forced to testify in the House Trial. Count on it.

I am not so sure. Nor an I sure I want him to. He is another Barr like character in his opinions.

Bolton's position will be revealed in time (judicial ruling, book revelation, come-to-Jesus-moment) who knows other than he? But whatever he does and the timing thereof is likely to be exceedingly influential meaning either ground shifting or ground stabilizing. Total speculation on my part, but I imagine he is following these hearings intently.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:53 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:49 pm I found interesting the facts/figures Holmes shared about US vs EU/EU nations support for Ukraine since the invasion and taking of Crimea and continuing hot war.

$3B from US
$12B from EU/EU nations.

4X

Sort of puts to lie the Trump argument about worrying about the comparative EU contributions, unless Trump and company are just f***ing idiots who can't do arithmetic.

The EU aid is non-military aid. Much of it in the form of loan guarantees.
Gotta have cash to pay the K St lobbyists.
I wonder how much of it ended up in offshore bank accounts ?

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:17 pm I didn't see all of Dr. Hill's input to today's impeachment hearing, but I saw enough to know I want that gal on my team. How anyone can question her intent, honesty, commitment to country, or sense of duty, could only possibly be because of the R. She hit it out of the ball park, rolled a 300, pitched a perfect game, and even better than all that, rippled the net in OT on NC day.
You've got to hire two people. You have four applicants.
Donald Trump (take your choice, Jr or Sr), Rudy Guiliano, Fiona Hill, and David Holmes (Marie Yovanovitch as an alternate).
Who ya hirin'?

Mike Flynn hired her onto the NSC. Bold move for a Russian collaborator.

calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:34 pm Bolton's position will be revealed in time (judicial ruling, book revelation, come-to-Jesus-moment) who knows other than he? But whatever he does and the timing thereof is likely to be exceedingly influential meaning either ground shifting or ground stabilizing. Total speculation on my part, but I imagine he is following these hearings intently.

Yes. I think he is more valuable as his own man. Just let him doing his thing. The defense will not call him as a witness. Let him write his tell all. That will keep this issue in the news for another year likely. He will also be motivated to make it more salacious that way. No matter what the D's do, Trump will not be convicted.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:46 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:17 pm I didn't see all of Dr. Hill's input to today's impeachment hearing, but I saw enough to know I want that gal on my team. How anyone can question her intent, honesty, commitment to country, or sense of duty, could only possibly be because of the R. She hit it out of the ball park, rolled a 300, pitched a perfect game, and even better than all that, rippled the net in OT on NC day.
You've got to hire two people. You have four applicants.
Donald Trump (take your choice, Jr or Sr), Rudy Guiliano, Fiona Hill, and David Holmes (Marie Yovanovitch as an alternate).
Who ya hirin'?

Mike Flynn hired her onto the NSC. Bold move for a Russian collaborator.

I had him down as more of a bootlicker.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:43 pm I wonder how much of it ended up in offshore bank accounts ?

Same rate as the rest of the aid we send around the world....