Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[jhu72]

... libs understand just fine.

[ABV 8.3%]

To Sean Hannity, the victim was a “13-year old man.”

To Matt Gaetz, the victim was a “17-year old woman.”

Pay attention to how they are framing things.

Wasn't one of the alleged murderers, of Mohammad Anwar, 13 years old ?

I would provide a CNN link, but his life doesn't matter.

apparently

BUt, a guy getting "shoved" and called a "mother stiffler" is national news

[Peter Brown]

To Sean Hannity, the victim was a “13-year old man.”

To Matt Gaetz, the victim was a “17-year old woman.”

Pay attention to how they are framing things.

Wasn't one of the alleged murderers, of Mohammad Anwar, 13 years old ?

I would provide a CNN link, but his life doesn't matter.

apparently

BUt, a guy getting "shoved" and called a "mother stiffler" is national news

+1

[runrussellrun]

To Sean Hannity, the victim was a “13-year old man.”

To Matt Gaetz, the victim was a “17-year old woman.”

Pay attention to how they are framing things.

Wasn't one of the alleged murderers, of Mohammad Anwar, 13 years old ?

I would provide a CNN link, but his life doesn't matter.

apparently

BUt, a guy getting "shoved" and called a "mother stiffler" is national news

+1

You agree often. Great.

Give ME money, I promise I will make America great , again. whatever the phucke that means.....

What, you gave Trump money, but you don't believe ME ? you won't give ME a dime.

[Brooklyn]

Petey,

Those execrable libs hate,


business leaders
cops
independent thinkers
religion
America
the free world
Jesus
Jews
Christians
women
nuns
puppies
kittens
free enterprise

and are responsible for,
the Fall in the Garden of Eden
the decline of the Roman Empire
the Black Death
the Great London Fire of 1666
the Civil War
World War One
the rise of Bolshevism
the Great Depression
the rise of Hitler
World War II
the Cold War
the Korean war
the Vietnam War
pornography
the sexual revolution
the heartbreak of psoriasis
hemorrhoids
the Great Recession
Osama bin Laden
ISIS
covid

... and that's only the tip of the iceberg!




Oh by the way, did you find your proof that libs are engaging in some form of jury intimidation in Minneapolis? We can believe all the other things but this one remains a mystery .....

[Farfromgeneva]

When do I get to see the Jewish space laser show? Last time I was in Watkins Glen they were shut down so I would love to see a nice laser show.

[MDlaxfan76]

The camera don’t lie. Fat Sh*t shot a 13 year old that had the nerve to make him run.

As they say, "not a close call".

You know....that could have been me....I was 11 or 12 carrying my BB gun through the neighborhood shooting at birds probably. Saw a police car go by and then another and I took off running as I was afraid they were going to take my BB gun. Next thing I know there were about 3 police cars chasing me. I finally threw the BB gun over some tall hedges as the cops were closing in and I was two houses away from home. Cops got out with guns drawn. I put my hands up and said “don’t shoot, don’t shoot I am only a kid!!”....cops patted me down and asked why I ran. I told them I was afraid they were going to take my BB gun. They retrieved it. Asked where I lived and I turned and pointed...right there. The cops walked me home and went inside and talked to my parents. They told them that someone called and said a man was roaming the neighborhood with a rifle.....I was maybe 5’2 110 pounds....cops told me not to run from the police....I didn’t play with that BB gun after that. I see these kids getting shot and it could have very easily been me. My son wanted an air soft gun because he friends had them....I told him “You can’t always do what your friends do”. He was about 13.

Yes, but same basic story and I didn't ever perceive the same degree of risk. I had an air gun, pump it and it would go bang...push it into a bit of mud and the air would blast the mud out...I'm maybe 8 or 9 and roaming Homeland in Baltimore, hiding behind bushes and "shooting" tanks going by...one of the cars must have called the cops...I ran and made it to my home, never caught, but my only concern was getting a spanking from parents...these days and I'm a black kid?

Funny story some years later, buddy who was an AA lax player later at Princeton and I were up late one night at my home now out in Greenspring Valley, my parents out at a party...we were maybe 13-14, lobbing cherry tomatoes at cars going past, thump, thump, big fun...but not really quite exciting enough...so, we devised an idea that we'd stand in the middle of the road, wait until the lights of the car coming toward us would hit us as they came over the hill and we'd run and dive over the hedge in front of neighbors home...now we were having fun...waiting a little longer each time...about the 4th time, we dove over the hedge, the car slowed down and stopped, and then the big beam of a police light moved over us; we're holding heads in the leaves, not breathing, beam stops right over our heads...the police car slowly moved down the road to the driveway and turned in...we bolted and ran like hell back to my house...ran upstairs...police car drove into each driveway, beam going at each house, sweeping up and around...we were scared sh-tless. My parents, of course, then learned from neighbors of the "prowlers" that had been in the neighborhood...I had to go apologize to each of the neighbors...

But seriously, that was the right answer for your son...

Were you juvenile delinquents doing your gun play at 2:30 a.m. in a neighborhood with so many shootings it has an audio gun shot detector which automatically rings down to the police ? Did you have a Ruger 9mm & gunshot residue on your hand ?

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-w ... in-custody

In my case, "lily white neighborhood" was due to actual redlining, government sanctioned. 3 blocks away, across York Road, totally different story.

But yeah, hey, is it these kids' and young men's fault that they don't live in "lily white neighborhoods"too, or neighborhoods that don't have lots of gun violence? Nope, not their fault.

Let's be super clear...shooting a 13 year old with his hands up, no weapon, no threat...just not ok...tasering (oops shooting him with your handgun) a man scared and struggling in his car, no weapon, or knee on a neck, handcuffed, for 9 minutes... or running, unarmed down the street, shoot him in the back, none of this is ok for the police to do because the victims were in poor black neighborhoods...or black and in the "wrong" neighborhood...

[CU88]

Maybe the naive can finally see the r's 's for what they are? Worried that anyone might misunderstand MTG, just goes full Nazi and removes all doubt.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/politics ... index.html

National
Anglo-Saxon
Zany
Idiots

The NAZI caucus.

[Peter Brown]

The camera don’t lie. Fat Sh*t shot a 13 year old that had the nerve to make him run.

As they say, "not a close call".

You know....that could have been me....I was 11 or 12 carrying my BB gun through the neighborhood shooting at birds probably. Saw a police car go by and then another and I took off running as I was afraid they were going to take my BB gun. Next thing I know there were about 3 police cars chasing me. I finally threw the BB gun over some tall hedges as the cops were closing in and I was two houses away from home. Cops got out with guns drawn. I put my hands up and said “don’t shoot, don’t shoot I am only a kid!!”....cops patted me down and asked why I ran. I told them I was afraid they were going to take my BB gun. They retrieved it. Asked where I lived and I turned and pointed...right there. The cops walked me home and went inside and talked to my parents. They told them that someone called and said a man was roaming the neighborhood with a rifle.....I was maybe 5’2 110 pounds....cops told me not to run from the police....I didn’t play with that BB gun after that. I see these kids getting shot and it could have very easily been me. My son wanted an air soft gun because he friends had them....I told him “You can’t always do what your friends do”. He was about 13.

Yes, but same basic story and I didn't ever perceive the same degree of risk. I had an air gun, pump it and it would go bang...push it into a bit of mud and the air would blast the mud out...I'm maybe 8 or 9 and roaming Homeland in Baltimore, hiding behind bushes and "shooting" tanks going by...one of the cars must have called the cops...I ran and made it to my home, never caught, but my only concern was getting a spanking from parents...these days and I'm a black kid?

Funny story some years later, buddy who was an AA lax player later at Princeton and I were up late one night at my home now out in Greenspring Valley, my parents out at a party...we were maybe 13-14, lobbing cherry tomatoes at cars going past, thump, thump, big fun...but not really quite exciting enough...so, we devised an idea that we'd stand in the middle of the road, wait until the lights of the car coming toward us would hit us as they came over the hill and we'd run and dive over the hedge in front of neighbors home...now we were having fun...waiting a little longer each time...about the 4th time, we dove over the hedge, the car slowed down and stopped, and then the big beam of a police light moved over us; we're holding heads in the leaves, not breathing, beam stops right over our heads...the police car slowly moved down the road to the driveway and turned in...we bolted and ran like hell back to my house...ran upstairs...police car drove into each driveway, beam going at each house, sweeping up and around...we were scared sh-tless. My parents, of course, then learned from neighbors of the "prowlers" that had been in the neighborhood...I had to go apologize to each of the neighbors...

But seriously, that was the right answer for your son...

Were you juvenile delinquents doing your gun play at 2:30 a.m. in a neighborhood with so many shootings it has an audio gun shot detector which automatically rings down to the police ? Did you have a Ruger 9mm & gunshot residue on your hand ?

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-w ... in-custody

In my case, "lily white neighborhood" was due to actual redlining, government sanctioned. 3 blocks away, across York Road, totally different story.

But yeah, hey, is it these kids' and young men's fault that they don't live in "lily white neighborhoods"too, or neighborhoods that don't have lots of gun violence? Nope, not their fault.

Let's be super clear...shooting a 13 year old with his hands up, no weapon, no threat...just not ok...tasering (oops shooting him with your handgun) a man scared and struggling in his car, no weapon, or knee on a neck, handcuffed, for 9 minutes... or running, unarmed down the street, shoot him in the back, none of this is ok for the police to do because the victims were in poor black neighborhoods...or black and in the "wrong" neighborhood...

MD’s post is a great example of why it’s hard to argue with the ignorant. He has zero clue that the kid has a gun in his hand until the last second. Zero idea. Yet he’s confident enough to claim on a public forum that the kid was unarmed (the kid, a Latin Kings member, was unarmed only the last second when he raised his hands; he tossed the gun as he raises his hands)

How do you even debate this kind of cluelessness? You first have to explain to MD that the kid in fact did have a gun, but MD’s demonstrated arrogance will only mean one outcome: he’ll be hacked you pointed out how he got his facts wrong, so he’ll only double down on the conclusion (the cop is wrong).

[jhu72]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

[Peter Brown]

Total flipping morons.

https://www.insider.com/adam-toledo-vid ... nds-2021-4

What news sources mislead you every day with uninformed opinion? Seriously.

It’s so hard to have meaningful debates with people who don’t have a clue what they’re debating, but have full confidence they do.

[MDlaxfan76]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Similar to road rage. Cop was angry that the little boy ran.

[ABV 8.3%]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Yes....it is homicide. Being serious.

Now.......what solution are you offering? How do we stop cops from killing people?

For one, we disarm them. Guns are bad, yes?

many many different way to skin, cook, and eat swine.........at some point, mdlaxfan, YOU have to get in the kitchen.....your turn to prepare the meal.

in other words, it is your turn to offer solutions.

But, you don't even wanna clean up your own back yard.....even refuse to understand that Baltimore blight is an issue. cause, for you, at this point, it is not an issue.....yet.

what you got, mdlaxfan, really curious as what measures we should take to stop this from happening.....40 years after rodney king.

And, if this is confusing, ask for clarification....that is what gentlemen do.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7b6f3b7d-7 ... 79a0eb3474

[MDlaxfan76]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Yes....it is homicide. Being serious.

Now.......what solution are you offering? How do we stop cops from killing people?

For one, we disarm them. Guns are bad, yes?

many many different way to skin, cook, and eat swine.........at some point, mdlaxfan, YOU have to get in the kitchen.....your turn to prepare the meal.

in other words, it is your turn to offer solutions.

But, you don't even wanna clean up your own back yard.....even refuse to understand that Baltimore blight is an issue. cause, for you, at this point, it is not an issue.....yet.

what you got, mdlaxfan, really curious as what measures we should take to stop this from happening.....40 years after rodney king.

And, if this is confusing, ask for clarification....that is what gentlemen do.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7b6f3b7d-7 ... 79a0eb3474

so, abc, rrr...yes, I agree about your central point (as I understand it), though the statement I've highlighted is both inaccurate, and yes, a personal attack. With zero basis for such attack.

But let's stick to your point, that "blight" and poverty are major factors in violence. So is the drug trade. (And yes, the excess guns, but let's leave that aside for the moment, as this is about police treatment of black and brown folks, particularly males.)

My "solutions", which I have detailed numerous times before (thus "inaccurate" attack) are holistic, not just about police reform.

For instance, I believe we have an enormous human capital potential among our chronically poor and undereducated populations that is imperative to address holistically if we wish to compete this next century with China and other countries. I would support massive investment in dispersion of folks currently in poverty stricken neighborhoods, investment in those neighborhoods to make them attractive to a diverse and upwardly aspirational population, massive investment in education and health care...and more.

I'm also for smart, regulated decriminalization of all drugs...have detailed both how and why before.

But back to police reform. It is absolutely critical to invest not in weaponry, but rather in attracting and training and compensating police to build trust relationships with the communities they serve. That includes weeding out the racists and trigger happy, power seeking cops...and recruiting and training cops with the social skills and psychology to make better decisions than those they are replacing. I'm fine with actually increasing funding to do so, though I think the holistic approach I'm suggesting will in the long run decrease police presence requirements or at least, and most importantly, the frequency of high intensity events.

I'm sure I've missed some elements, but yes, it's a holistic issue. We agree.

[Peter Brown]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Not only was this reply pathetically predictable, it simultaneously evidences why so many people here think this guy is supremely arrogant. A leader evidences humility, occasionally, but what this guy does here instead is double down on a false narrative, EVEN AFTER being shown why he was incorrect in his central assumption.l (the kid had no gun). Excrement, even the NYTines says the kid had the gun! Lol. Photos show it.

Not good enough for MD!! Onto next excuse.

Now he claims a cop must have superhuman reflexes and eyes, seeing everything and weighing all evidence in less than one second. What’s the kids age? Is that a real gun?

And if the cop hesitates and is killed instead? BFD, baby, he signed up for it.

So predictable, so pathetic.

(I’ll hammer TLD’s idiotic post next).

[Peter Brown]

I have seen no video evidence that he threw a gun over the fence at any time. If you have some, present it. There is body cam video of the time frame in question.

yeah, "morons". Everything I've seen, including this recounting provided by the troll, does not actually show that he was carrying the gun, just that it looks as if he "dropped an item", which "appears" may have been a gun...and a gun is found (that's according to the police, not the video)...but what this recounting and the video also makes totally clear is that he'd dropped any "item" and put his hands up, Empty, As Instructed, BEFORE the shot was fired. Unarmed. There was no imminent threat. Just a cop PO'd for having to chase him.

Let's assume that he indeed was carrying a gun, running from the police, not shooting at them or anyone else, he's ordered repeatedly to stop and raise his hands, he slows down, drops the gun, and hands open he puts them up...and is shot for stopping to do so...homicide.

Similar to road rage. Cop was angry that the little boy ran.

Have any idea why this donut-eating (your concept) cop was on the scene TLD? Was he hunting POC for fun?

No, you know what he was doing, TLD; he was trying to protect the POC citizens of Chicago who had just dialed 911, saying they had heard “9 shots fired” at that scene. At least 7 phone calls from frightened local residents, unable to sleep as war raged outside their homes, who don’t have the luxury of banging keyboards on a lacrosse forum saying the he11 with cops.

I guess you’d prefer cops not show up when folks call 911?

If that’s the case, go ahead and state it. Say it loud and clear. Don’t be ashamed either.

Next time, let the gangs maul each other without interference. And to hades with local residents, right?

Pathetic.

[MDlaxfan76]

Sheesh, I shouldn't respond to trolls...Petey, I never said he didn't have a gun...you made that up.

I said he was unarmed when shot. Enormous difference.

Yes, police should NEVER shoot someone with their hands up, hands open, no weapon. If the cop felt in any way threatened he should have taken a defensive position and assessed. Not shoot first, apologize later.

You were challenged by another poster to prove that he had a gun, actually threw it over a fence...and you claimed such proof existed and provided a citation. But even that video and article did not conclude he definitely had a gun...what it DID prove was that he had no gun in hand when he was shot. After he complied with the officer's command to raise his hands, he was shot.

[Peter Brown]

Sheesh, I shouldn't respond to trolls...Petey, I never said he didn't have a gun...you made that up.

I said he was unarmed when shot. Enormous difference.

Yes, police should NEVER shoot someone with their hands up, hands open, no weapon. If the cop felt in any way threatened he should have taken a defensive position and assessed. Not shoot first, apologize later.

You were challenged by another poster to prove that he had a gun, actually threw it over a fence...and you claimed such proof existed and provided a citation. But even that video and article did not conclude he definitely had a gun...what it DID prove was that he had no gun in hand when he was shot. After he complied with the officer's command to raise his hands, he was shot.

You can’t type one word in a second, let alone see at 3 am if the gun the kid had was dropped, or he was raising his arm to shoot the cop. This case, like most, isn’t about race (like you want) but about culture. Want to play with guns at 3 am and belong to the Latin Kings, I’ve got bad news: you might die from a cop. And you have yourself and your parents to blame. Not the cop trying to protect other POC.

[ABV 8.3%]

Weird......stop calling these "personal attacks" you are embarrassing yourself.....even more than usual. Being totally serious.

BALTIMORE.

I apologize if you haven't written monologues, depicting Hopkins recruiting woes as having nothing to do with Baltimore blight.

You can certainly agree, that such a post, exists. Words typed, by you.

So, to start with, I presented a fact. as I understand my interpretation of what you wrote, here: from the April 7th, Hopkins thread

viewtopic.php?f=290&t=1883&hilit=riots&start=5500

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Always interesting what a 'first time poster' decides to lead with in that first post.

IMO,
1) The coaching change was inevitable, probably overdue.
2) Petro has handled it gracefully, much to his credit.
3) The current roster is way less remarkably talented than some have touted, but they include many good lacrosse players. None are bums.
4) An effective team with the expectations of the Hopkins' faithful requires more than some good players, they need all or nearly pieces of the puzzle to be first rate, not just some.
5) The Freddie Gray issues meant nothing to recruiting, ER though, had an enormous impact...Petro has publicly agreed that his participation in ER was an error, in retrospect.
6) This team has little different than last year's, just way less practice time with a new staff.

And finally, give it 4-5 years.
I know, I know, Hopkins' faithful will grumble anyway!



Forgive me, if one interprets this to mean issues, regarding race, are NOT a problem for Baltimore. Or, would that be you caring less about Baltimore hiring a hate group, the nation of islam....to run your city projects "security".

How many kids matched the 60 percent demographic at your sons club team tryout, about a decade ago. I think I heard Freddie gray, also tried out....but didn't make that team.

yeah....you care........

and, holistic medicine, is quack medicine, yes

as if bee stings could CURE anything.........same with THC........no Harvard dorm named "free canibus"

holistic

include that verbage, next time you apply for some bank loans, and business plans, going forward. Think you will find, others, wouldn't really know where to begin, with your "holistic" approach.

Sounds like Hopkins need another couple of Billion to "study" the problem in Baltimore. because, of course.......grants and studies for this kind of thing are fiction....they don't exist.

carry on........ which MIAA high school is yours? Mt St. Joes, or Bishop Curley ?

just not seeing any "holistic" solutions, being displayed on the lacrosse fields of Baltimore.