Trump's Russian Collusion

[seacoaster]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

I have to tell you, it is genuinely disappointing that you think this is humorous. These witnesses have testified, one after the other, about a remarkable breach of public trust. I'm not polling on what words to use; what the President did, what he foisted on some pretty high caliber career diplomatic personnel, is simply wrong. The suggestions that the GOP Congressmen and women make that the Sun didn't rise, that the leveraged deal didn't go all the way through to an interview and announcement by Zelensky, etc., etc., etc., etc., is just astonishing to me.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

I have to tell you, it is genuinely disappointing that you think this is humorous. These witnesses have testified, one after the other, about a remarkable breach of public trust. I'm not polling on what words to use; what the President did, what he foisted on some pretty high caliber career diplomatic personnel, is simply wrong. The suggestions that the GOP Congressmen and women make that the Sun didn't rise, that the leveraged deal didn't go all the way through to an interview and announcement by Zelensky, etc., etc., etc., etc., is just astonishing to me.

It is a Cult of Personality

[Typical Lax Dad]

Let’s see if KAC makes the rounds tonight or tomorrow...if so, you know it’s been a bad day. Basically a gimp.

[jhu72]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

Come on. Zerohedge is a well known Russian outlet. Proved beyond a shadow of doubt during the 2016 election.

[ABV 8.3%]

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It is a Cult of Personality

could have gone with the obvious song......but.....such a great band and sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXq7iOIghw

[ggait]

Best way to blow away the Dems very strong, but still slightly circumstantial case, is to have Bolton, Mulvaney, Perry, Giuliani, Pompeo and Trump come in and testify to under oath. And to also release the relevant documents. Short of that, all GOP defenses can basically be characterized as "our stonewall is working as planned."

The evidence regarding the aid linkage is much less clear and more circumstantial as compared to the evidence surrounding the WH meeting. You have to believe that in such a big bureaucracy there would be some pretty specific evidence (witness, paper trail, process) about how exactly the funds got suspended and then subsequently freed up.

We haven't seen the testimony of the low level OMB guy yet (Mark Sandy) but soon will. Of course the higher up political appointee OMB guys have stonewalled. Unless the highest level Trumpers testify, evidence about who pushed the money flow buttons seems to be the main remaining stone that has not yet been turned over.

[njbill]

I would say that in the absence of solid evidence of a legitimate reason for holding up the aid, the overwhelming circumstantial evidence compels the conclusion that the aid was held up to coerce the Ukrainians into investigating the whereabouts of the DNC server and Burisma or at least announcing such an investigation. It seems quite clear that “Burisma” is code for Bidens. This is perhaps the most significant area where I question the veracity of Sondland’s testimony today (when he says he was not aware that Burisma meant Bidens until much later in the game).

Obviously if there is any evidence, documentary or testamentary, that there was a legitimate reason to hold up the aid, it is in the hands of the Trump administration and would have been produced. In the absence of the production of any such evidence, there can be only one conclusion as to why the aid was held up.

[Typical Lax Dad]

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It is a Cult of Personality

could have gone with the obvious song......but.....such a great band and sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXq7iOIghw

I saw that band on The Ohio State University campus when they released that LP. It was fantastic! Saw Iggy Pop and The Pretenders there also...

[Matnum PI]

It is a Cult of Personality

I dunno. I think it's more transnational than this. More of a culture of "if you're not cheating, you're not trying" where winning is the ultimate goal and cheating but not getting caught is all just part of the game.

[Matnum PI]

Obviously if there is any evidence, documentary or testamentary, that there was a legitimate reason to hold up the aid, it is in the hands of the Trump administration and would have been produced. In the absence of the production of any such evidence, there can be only one conclusion as to why the aid was held up.

NJ, agreed and... I think the process is further along than this. i.e. While Trump's actually being impeached, we could say the same thing. In other words, a, if not the, key witness said explicitly, Quid Quo Pro. This is big. The impeachment documents are happening. the question is, Will this be bi-partisan or not.

[LandM]

nyjbill and ggait,
Not here nor have I been here to light up Trump - but you used the word - I am not lawyer - circumstantial can you or ggait convict on that - if you can, I will hire both of you tomorrow - I have a case ready.

TLD, maybe you should get the JD from "The" Ohio State University - speaking of which - what is the average GPA of the football team? Not sure what the rules are for a D3 athlete to D1 but you might have eligibility left. Get that free money and sign a life insurance policy.

[njbill]

nyjbill and ggait,
Not here nor have I been here to light up Trump - but you used the word - I am not lawyer - circumstantial can you or ggait convict on that - if you can, I will hire both of you tomorrow - I have a case ready.

I am retired. Maybe ggait can PM his retainer agreement to you.

[njbill]

LandM, many, many years ago someone called me “nybill” on LaxPower after I wrote something complimentary of New York high school lacrosse, as I recall, at the expense of Maryland lacrosse.

[Typical Lax Dad]

nyjbill and ggait,
Not here nor have I been here to light up Trump - but you used the word - I am not lawyer - circumstantial can you or ggait convict on that - if you can, I will hire both of you tomorrow - I have a case ready.

TLD, maybe you should get the JD from "The" Ohio State University - speaking of which - what is the average GPA of the football team? Not sure what the rules are for a D3 athlete to D1 but you might have eligibility left. Get that free money and sign a life insurance policy.

I am not sure what the average GPA is. I don’t follow it that closely. I spoke with one of my hoops teammates for the first time in 30 years. He did get a JD from The Ohio State University. Man if I still had the ability, I would love to have played D1 hoops. I can still stroke it but I need time and room now. One of my buddies I played with in HS has 6 NBA rings and another friend from hoop camp also has 6. I just wasn’t good enough. I wish I had gone to Brown but I managed to do OK. Brown had the honeys. My buddy that played at Dartmouth loved road tripping to Brown. He went to a better high school than me and got better advice!

[cradleandshoot]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

I have to tell you, it is genuinely disappointing that you think this is humorous. These witnesses have testified, one after the other, about a remarkable breach of public trust. I'm not polling on what words to use; what the President did, what he foisted on some pretty high caliber career diplomatic personnel, is simply wrong. The suggestions that the GOP Congressmen and women make that the Sun didn't rise, that the leveraged deal didn't go all the way through to an interview and announcement by Zelensky, etc., etc., etc., etc., is just astonishing to me.

In the words of little orphan Annie... the sun will come up tomorrow. Spare me your fake BS outrage. Republicans and Democrats are both playing the same game. Here are some words to help you out here... if you can laugh at it you can live with it. Do you really think in the big scheme of things anything Trump does will matter a hill of beans. If you are really that sensitive I will send you a HRC crying towel to dry those crocodile tears of yours. Here is some food for thought for you. If the Democrats concentrate on winning the election instead of spending all their energy on meaningless impeachment hearings... THEY MIGHT WIN THE ELECTION. Sad to say your fellow Democrats are not smart enough to figure that out. # pathetic democrats.

[Matnum PI]

Trump is not the first Republican president. But, in my lifetime, I've never seen such animosity towards a president. The hatred is not because he's a member of the GOP. It's because he's Trump. I think most Dems want a Dem to win but more importantly, they just want to get Trump out. Which is exactly what they're working towards.

[calourie]

Sondland: "Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

This was his testimony. He repeatedly testified that Zelensky was required to make a "a public announcement" that he was investigating the 2016 election and Burisma/Biden before there would be a White House meeting and the aid was released. I now think Bandito is Kevin McCarthy.

The why does this differ? https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GGYN_nrVl/

Because he bumbled, because he sometimes spoke in connection with a specific call or conversation. I listened to Goldman's entire examination of him. He repeatedly confirmed that the WH meeting and the aid were on ice until President Z made the public statement.

And then there is this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5GYUEWndoD/

Just got real today in Ukraine, story unfolding: https://tass.com/world/1090971

Biden Crime Syndicate in full action: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... million-mp

I have to tell you, it is genuinely disappointing that you think this is humorous. These witnesses have testified, one after the other, about a remarkable breach of public trust. I'm not polling on what words to use; what the President did, what he foisted on some pretty high caliber career diplomatic personnel, is simply wrong. The suggestions that the GOP Congressmen and women make that the Sun didn't rise, that the leveraged deal didn't go all the way through to an interview and announcement by Zelensky, etc., etc., etc., etc., is just astonishing to me.

In the words of little orphan Annie... the sun will come up tomorrow. Spare me your fake BS outrage. Republicans and Democrats are both playing the same game. Here are some words to help you out here... if you can laugh at it you can live with it. Do you really think in the big scheme of things anything Trump does will matter a hill of beans. If you are really that sensitive I will send you a HRC crying towel to dry those crocodile tears of yours. Here is some food for thought for you. If the Democrats concentrate on winning the election instead of spending all their energy on meaningless impeachment hearings... THEY MIGHT WIN THE ELECTION. Sad to say your fellow Democrats are not smart enough to figure that out. # pathetic democrats.

The very reason the outline for applying articles of impeachment are included in the US Constitution is in reference to the kind of behavior Trump seems likely to have perpetrated. How that makes the current impechment hearings meaningless shows a profound lack of understanding of why the Constitution was even written. If the argument is "nothing matters" then I suppose you have a point.

[Matnum PI]

I don't think the point is, Nothing matters. I think the point is, Nothing matters unless you can make it stick.

[a fan]

Disagree completely. What matters is that we're telling future Presidents that this is impeachable behavior.

[ggait]

I am not lawyer - circumstantial can you or ggait convict on that - if you can, I will hire both of you tomorrow - I have a case ready.

Our jails would be empty if there wasn't circumstantial evidence. In Trump's case, the evidence has to be circumstantial unless we have video of Trump saying "I hereby order the Code Red."

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that allows the judge/jury to infer that a fact exists. Snow on the front lawn in the morning is circumstantial evidence, but it supports the INFERENCE that it snowed overnight. Even where I was asleep and didn't see it snowing. Fingerprints, DNA and ballistics are all circumstantial evidence.

No one sees who shot LandM. But ballistics matches the bullet taken out of LandM to the gun found at the scene. The gun has my fingerprints on it. Records show I purchased that gun. Footprints on the front walk and inside the house are for size 10 Air Jordans. Size 10 Air Jordans with matching treads are found at my house. Tire treads matching the treads on my SUV are found in the driveway. Other records show that I (being an avid skier) was in Telluride at the time in question. I'm going to get convicted even though 100% of the evidence is circumstantial.

It is possible that someone planted all that circumstantial evidence to frame me. It is also possible that OJ wasn't at the crime scene -- the blood DNA evidence was only 1 in 170 million. It is possible that Trump really cared about corruption in UK. But it is extremely reasonable to infer that Trump, OJ and I are all guilty and thus convict.