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Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.

Those were your takeaways???

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:14 am**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.

Shutting things down was easy. Trying to unshut everything is a whole different problem.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.
Those were your takeaways???

Those were his exact words. Verbatim.

We know so little now with the whole fn world workin on it. Yet you clowns can make pronouncements from your soap boxes.

re: When asked about hydroxychloroquine—the doctors "he knows in NY" have stepped away from using it.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:25 am**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.
Those were your takeaways???
Those were his exact words. Verbatim.

We know so little now with the whole fn world workin on it. Yet you clowns can make pronouncements from your soap boxes.

re: When asked about hydroxychloroquine—the doctors "he knows in NY" have stepped away from using it.

I guess it takes an expert Clown to identify all of the other alleged clowns on their soapboxes in the room.......

especially when said clown is shouting at the top of his lungs from his very own soapbox.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:27 am**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.
Those were your takeaways???
Those were his exact words. Verbatim.

We know so little now with the whole fn world workin on it. Yet you clowns can make pronouncements from your soap boxes.

re: When asked about hydroxychloroquine—the doctors "he knows in NY" have stepped away from using it.

Because we still do not test enough (not antibody tests, but diagnostic tests) we really do not have a handle on where the virus still lurks. Several other countries have not only bent the curve but have removed a persistent plateau - because they use the tried and true approach.

1. Test enough so you really know the level of infection and who has it.
2. Isolate infected people - even to the point of moving them to another location if there is family so they don't infect the family (if it is not too late).
3. Trace contacts - test and isolate if necessary.

We cannot do 1 because we still don't have an effective response to make sure the tests and the supplies are available and located where needed.

We don't effectively do #2 unless they are sick enough to go to a hospital. Sure someone like Chris Cuomo can isolate himself within a huge house, but most Americans don't have that kind of space.

We need between 100K and 300K people across the country to do #3. We are nowhere near that, and there is no move from the top (feds) to even help.

As far as hydroxycloroquine - that was also a longshot and has proven to be too risky in many circumstances.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:40 am**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:18 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:02 am Dr Scott Gottlieb on Squawk Box this morning

Mitigation flattened the curve but extended the persistent plateau. Didn't work as well as we thought it would!!!!!!

Unclear why Florida did so much better than projected scenario.

Persistant virus spread—STILL and for some time to come.

Antibody test at least three times—too many false positives to rely on just one!

With all this uncertainty, NOW AFTER 4 months how are you Trump clowns making claims about what could've been different.

Thats totally baseless.
Those were your takeaways???
Those were his exact words. Verbatim.

We know so little now with the whole fn world workin on it. Yet you clowns can make pronouncements from your soap boxes.

re: When asked about hydroxychloroquine—the doctors "he knows in NY" have stepped away from using it.

"you clowns"??

I don't think I've ever cited Gottlieb but he's not an idiot, either.

ok, maybe you should go watch/listen again.
Your comprehension of what he was actually saying may improve with a second go through.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:58 am**

Before pandemic, Trump’s stockpile chief put focus on biodefense. An old client benefited.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html

After Robert Kadlec was confirmed as President Trump’s top official for public health preparedness in 2017, he began pressing to increase government stocks of a smallpox vaccine. His office ultimately made a deal to buy up to $2.8 billion of the vaccine from a company that once paid Kadlec as a consultant, a connection he did not disclose on a Senate questionnaire when he was nominated.

Under the agreement struck last year with Emergent BioSolutions, Kadlec’s office at the Department of Health and Human Services is paying more than double the price per dose it had previously paid for the drug. Because Emergent is the only licensed maker of the vaccine, Kadlec’s office arrived at the price through negotiations with the company rather than through bidding.

The 10-year contract is part of an effort by Kadlec to bolster the nation’s stockpile of defenses against biological and chemical weapons, a focus he made a priority over preparing for a natural pandemic, an examination by The Washington Post found. Kadlec, a decorated veteran and biodefense expert, has argued for more than two decades in government and the private sector that the nation should devote more of its resources to preparing for bioweapon attacks.

“Quite frankly, Mother Nature is not a thinking enemy intent on inflicting grievous harm to our country, killing our citizens, undermining our government or destroying our way of life,” he told Congress in 2011. “Mother Nature doesn’t develop highly virulent organisms that are resistant to our current stockpiles of antibiotics.”

In the two years before the coronavirus pandemic, Kadlec aggressively pursued efforts to fulfill his vision for national preparedness, the Post examination found. He assumed greater control over acquisitions for the Strategic National Stockpile, which in 2018 was moved from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and placed under his authority, the examination found.

Kadlec scaled back a long-standing interagency process for spending billions of dollars on stockpile purchases, diminishing the role of government experts and restricting decision-making to himself and a small circle of advisers, according to three former officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

Kadlec committed additional spending to such biodefense countermeasures as smallpox and anthrax vaccines while cutting planned spending on emerging infectious diseases, despite warnings from scientists that a natural contagion could also be devastating. Citing limited resources, his office halted an Obama-era initiative to spend $35 million to build a machine that could produce 1.5 million N95 masks per day, as The Post previously reported.

My bolding. More "I know more about this than the experts dealing with it for years" from the Trump administration.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 1:11 pm**

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:58 am
Before pandemic, Trump’s stockpile chief put focus on biodefense. An old client benefited.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html

After Robert Kadlec was confirmed as President Trump’s top official for public health preparedness in 2017, he began pressing to increase government stocks of a smallpox vaccine. His office ultimately made a deal to buy up to $2.8 billion of the vaccine from a company that once paid Kadlec as a consultant, a connection he did not disclose on a Senate questionnaire when he was nominated.

Under the agreement struck last year with Emergent BioSolutions, Kadlec’s office at the Department of Health and Human Services is paying more than double the price per dose it had previously paid for the drug. Because Emergent is the only licensed maker of the vaccine, Kadlec’s office arrived at the price through negotiations with the company rather than through bidding.

The 10-year contract is part of an effort by Kadlec to bolster the nation’s stockpile of defenses against biological and chemical weapons, a focus he made a priority over preparing for a natural pandemic, an examination by The Washington Post found. Kadlec, a decorated veteran and biodefense expert, has argued for more than two decades in government and the private sector that the nation should devote more of its resources to preparing for bioweapon attacks.

“Quite frankly, Mother Nature is not a thinking enemy intent on inflicting grievous harm to our country, killing our citizens, undermining our government or destroying our way of life,” he told Congress in 2011. “Mother Nature doesn’t develop highly virulent organisms that are resistant to our current stockpiles of antibiotics.”

In the two years before the coronavirus pandemic, Kadlec aggressively pursued efforts to fulfill his vision for national preparedness, the Post examination found. He assumed greater control over acquisitions for the Strategic National Stockpile, which in 2018 was moved from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and placed under his authority, the examination found.

Kadlec scaled back a long-standing interagency process for spending billions of dollars on stockpile purchases, diminishing the role of government experts and restricting decision-making to himself and a small circle of advisers, according to three former officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.

Kadlec committed additional spending to such biodefense countermeasures as smallpox and anthrax vaccines while cutting planned spending on emerging infectious diseases, despite warnings from scientists that a natural contagion could also be devastating. Citing limited resources, his office halted an Obama-era initiative to spend $35 million to build a machine that could produce 1.5 million N95 masks per day, as The Post previously reported.
My bolding. More "I know more about this than the experts dealing with it for years" from the Trump administration.

Yikes, just gross.

More incompetence meets corruption.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 2:10 pm**

New Gov’t Document: COVID Deaths Projected To Increase To 3,000 Per Day By June 1

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/new- ... -by-june-1

The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.

There are currently around 25,000 new cases each day in the United States, and around 2,000 deaths each day.

The CDC gathered the data and built the models on which the projections are based, the Times reported, while the Federal Emergency Management Agency created the charts.

The report also suggests that infection rates will increase more in rural America over the coming months. The document names “the Great Lakes region, parts of the Southeast, Northeast, and around southern California” as potential new hotspots, while Louisiana and New York City remain on a downwards trajectory in the federal government’s modeling.

NY Times source article:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/c ... e=Homepage

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 3:30 pm**

I don't know how this experience of mine plays out but here goes. My wife came home early and took over care of our new dog. I had a few things to get at Home Depot. To those of you unaware of what the new HD experience is like, it ain't what you are used to. They only have one way in and one way out. They only allow 70 people in the store at a time. The line was almost to the now fenced off contractors entrance. It took 45 minutes to get in the store. the people waiting in line were not happy campers to say the least. When my turn came to enter I joked to the guy at the door that this system will never work in 2 more weeks. The store will have a locust plague of people chomping at the bit to get their gardens planted. The guy said we have been doing this for 2 weeks now, it will be fine. I looked at the line of semi agitated people waiting outside and told the guy I appreciate your reciting the company line. I told him if you believe that you are an idiot. It is not going to be alright, you have not succeeded in retraining your customers. This customer is going to his local farm market down the road. They may be more expensive but my attitude towards HD right now is they can go screw themselves. They are convenient for me, but I can buy what I need elsewhere. Adios Home Depot, you lost this customer forever.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 5:02 pm**

Sadly, Muslims are dying in droves:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/nyre ... ion=Footer

15 Funerals a Day: The Pace of Death Stuns a Muslim Community
Al-Rayaan Muslim Funeral Services in Brooklyn has turned to family members and fellow mourners to offer prayers and move bodies.

Since the coronavirus took hold of New York in March, burial rituals in the city have become more complicated. Funeral homes everywhere are backed up and overwhelmed. Many, like Al-Rayaan, have had to rely on refrigerated trucks to store the dead since social distancing restrictions, along with a significant spike in the number of deaths in the city, slowed down the pace of burials. It’s particularly disruptive for Muslims, who rarely practice embalming and whose religion dictates that the dead must be buried quickly.

“The earth is waiting. Allah is asking for that person to be buried as soon as possible.

Frankly, I am not surprise to read of this tragedy. Minneapolis probably has the highest Muslim population in the USA. These people have been shown at service on local TV walking barefooted in their religious service, prostrating themselves touching the floor with their hands, feet, foreheads, and lips. Small wonder why those germs spread so easily. Hopefully, some day they will learn that "thoughts and prayers" are the most useless things we have in this society. Thus, they should learn to stay home, keep washing, and keep their prayers/venerations to themselves.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm**

Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 6:13 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:30 pm I don't know how this experience of mine plays out but here goes. My wife came home early and took over care of our new dog. I had a few things to get at Home Depot. To those of you unaware of what the new HD experience is like, it ain't what you are used to. They only have one way in and one way out. They only allow 70 people in the store at a time. The line was almost to the now fenced off contractors entrance. It took 45 minutes to get in the store. the people waiting in line were not happy campers to say the least. When my turn came to enter I joked to the guy at the door that this system will never work in 2 more weeks. The store will have a locust plague of people chomping at the bit to get their gardens planted. The guy said we have been doing this for 2 weeks now, it will be fine. I looked at the line of semi agitated people waiting outside and told the guy I appreciate your reciting the company line. I told him if you believe that you are an idiot. It is not going to be alright, you have not succeeded in retraining your customers. This customer is going to his local farm market down the road. They may be more expensive but my attitude towards HD right now is they can go screw themselves. They are convenient for me, but I can buy what I need elsewhere. Adios Home Depot, you lost this customer forever.

HD's down here are advertising parking lot no contact pick for online orders. Haven't tried it yet.t
Needed a plumber last wk. He made a speed run to HD for a needed hunk of pipe, no delay.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 6:14 pm**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?

Whoopsie another social distance free pandemic in 1957 with 70K dead in the US alone

https://www.cdc.gov/publications/panflu ... /1957.html

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 6:45 pm**

6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:14 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?
Whoopsie another social distance free pandemic in 1957 with 70K dead in the US alone

https://www.cdc.gov/publications/panflu ... /1957.html

By May 15th, our 45 day death count will exceed that 6-7 month death count....

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 7:08 pm**

Bill Gates video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1AQ5EXcJYc

Quickest vaccine ever took 5 years, he is hoping for 18 months.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 8:08 pm**

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:45 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:14 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?
Whoopsie another social distance free pandemic in 1957 with 70K dead in the US alone

https://www.cdc.gov/publications/panflu ... /1957.html
By May 15th, our 45 day death count will exceed that 6-7 month death count....

nah, by that logic, 'it's the same thing'...

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 8:10 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:08 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:45 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:14 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?
Whoopsie another social distance free pandemic in 1957 with 70K dead in the US alone

https://www.cdc.gov/publications/panflu ... /1957.html
By May 15th, our 45 day death count will exceed that 6-7 month death count....
nah, by that logic, 'it's the same thing'...

70k is 70k.....making $70,000 in six months is the same as making $70,000 a month.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 8:11 pm**

The NYT is apparently reporting that internal Trump Admin estimates of daily death count will exceed 3,000/day sometime in June...

I haven't seen the sourcing, whether anyone is willing to go on the record with that prediction.

But ouch.
If 'warm weather' doesn't suppress it much, or not enough to overcome the behaviors in states opening up and with eventual blooms, it's going to be an ugly summer...not to mention fall.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 8:50 pm**

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:10 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:08 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:45 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:14 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 6:09 pm Well bust my buttons.

A global pandemic with no mitigation/social distancing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... demic.html

How many pandemics have to originate in China before they have to pay a price?
Whoopsie another social distance free pandemic in 1957 with 70K dead in the US alone

https://www.cdc.gov/publications/panflu ... /1957.html
By May 15th, our 45 day death count will exceed that 6-7 month death count....
nah, by that logic, 'it's the same thing'...
70k is 70k.....making $70,000 in six months is the same as making $70,000 a month.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

IHME site (group of U. Washington Health people charged with predicting coronavirus trending) just bumped their August 4 estimate of US Covid deaths from 72,000+ to 134,000+ given the recent and planned relaxing of social and economic distancing. Hard to argue that 134,000 is the same as 70,000 or am I missing something? As it was, they were already falling way behind their 72,000 projections. Let's see what happens with their new one.

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