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wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 8:17 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:08 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 3:25 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 2:10 pm anyone have an idea/analysis on why michigan is doing so poorly to this point?
no ethnic or age disparity with the rest of the u.s. detroit city is/was bad but accounts for ~25% ish of the total so you could throw that out and they'd still be in bad shape.
they seem to be an outlier. if not the outlier.

Nothing definitive - but here are some possibilities: (from https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-healt ... -neighbors)

Michigan could have been hit harder because the virus may have already been in the community for days or weeks before the symptoms or testing.

Among the possibilities Hutton and others have mentioned for the rapid spread in Michigan:

Detroit Metropolitan Airport, which has a large international hub and flights to Wuhan, China, where the outbreak originated in December and its airport remained open until Jan. 23.

Supply lines between Detroit automakers and Wuhan, a major auto hub and home to five car manufacturers including Dongfeng Motor, one of the biggest in China. General Motors has 15 assembly plants in China with its partners, while Ford has six and Fiat Chrysler has two.

Ties between automakers, particularly FCA, and Italy, which has more than 77,000 cases and 12,000 deaths.

Michigan's March 10 presidential primary and big campaign rallies leading up to it, including one that drew 6,000 in Detroit for Bernie Sanders on March 6. In contrast, Ohio cancelled its March 17 primary.

By my tally -- the greater Detroit metro area accounts for approx 3500(JHU) of 4000(NPR) MI deaths.
Go to the JHU dashboard, + zoom in on the dots in the Detroit area, look at their size & click on each, then add up their component deaths sub totals.
From Detroit, W to Lansing, N to Flint, then compare to the dots in the Chicago, Boston & NYC metro areas.
Not unlike StL & B'more, where the adjoining county has as many, or more, deaths reported.
Consistent with major NE urban population centers.

if you're adding in flint, lansing, etc. you're just looking at the majority of the population. not 80+%, but the majority.
lansing is the same distance to detroit as philly to ny.
anyway, their numbers are way out of whack from what you'd infer given everything.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

I find it analogous to the NYC metro area, including LI, SW CT. & N NJ.
or DC metro = DC, adjacent NVA & adjacent Mont/PG Co.s in MD. (now > 1000 deaths)
Downtown + the commuter bedroom communities.

FL obviously has a more able Governor (right PB ?) ..
He took proactive measures to protect Sr communities
He's yet to unlock Dade, Broward & Palm Beach.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

I find it analogous to the NYC metro area, including LI, SW CT. & N NJ.
or DC metro = DC, adjacent NVA & adjacent Mont/PG Co.s in MD. (now > 1000 deaths)
Downtown + the commuter bedroom communities.

FL obviously has a more able Governor (right PB ?) ..
He took proactive measures to protect Sr communities
He's yet to unlock Dade, Broward & Palm Beach.

thanks. dc area has about 6m + and probably around 12 to 1300 deaths. detroit metro 4.2 million and as you say over 3,000 deaths. that's the difference i'm talking about. nyc metro area most certainly is a hub for int'l travel, and for my money the transit system (still not fully addressed) and tight living, walking quarters make it easy to understand how they are where they are.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

I find it analogous to the NYC metro area, including LI, SW CT. & N NJ.
or DC metro = DC, adjacent NVA & adjacent Mont/PG Co.s in MD. (now > 1000 deaths)
Downtown + the commuter bedroom communities.

FL obviously has a more able Governor (right PB ?) ..
He took proactive measures to protect Sr communities
He's yet to unlock Dade, Broward & Palm Beach Co.'s (775 of 1365 FL deaths).

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:41 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

I find it analogous to the NYC metro area, including LI, SW CT. & N NJ.
or DC metro = DC, adjacent NVA & adjacent Mont/PG Co.s in MD. (now > 1000 deaths)
Downtown + the commuter bedroom communities.

FL obviously has a more able Governor (right PB ?) ..
He took proactive measures to protect Sr communities
He's yet to unlock Dade, Broward & Palm Beach.

thanks. dc area has about 6m + and probably around 12 to 1300 deaths. detroit metro 4.2 million and as you say over 3,000 deaths. that's the difference i'm talking about. nyc metro area most certainly is a hub for int'l travel, and for my money the transit system (still not fully addressed) and tight living, walking quarters make it easy to understand how they are where they are.

Yep, & much of DC can afford to shut down. Like 2 mos of snow days.
Does Detroit have a larger "underserved" population that's more vulnerable, healthwise ?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 10:13 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:41 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:37 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:01 pm thanks and this is kinda my point. what are 2 (or 3 if some of wayne is suburban) suburban counties in michigan doing with more deaths than florida? and so many other states.

I find it analogous to the NYC metro area, including LI, SW CT. & N NJ.
or DC metro = DC, adjacent NVA & adjacent Mont/PG Co.s in MD. (now > 1000 deaths)
Downtown + the commuter bedroom communities.

FL obviously has a more able Governor (right PB ?) ..
He took proactive measures to protect Sr communities
He's yet to unlock Dade, Broward & Palm Beach.

thanks. dc area has about 6m + and probably around 12 to 1300 deaths. detroit metro 4.2 million and as you say over 3,000 deaths. that's the difference i'm talking about. nyc metro area most certainly is a hub for int'l travel, and for my money the transit system (still not fully addressed) and tight living, walking quarters make it easy to understand how they are where they are.

Yep, & much of DC can afford to shut down. Like 2 mos of snow days.
Does Detroit have a larger "underserved" population that's more vulnerable, healthwise ?

on average oakland and macomb county seem to do just fine. and poverty line is 9-11% vs 7-9+% for dc area.
maybe it could be a lot of things together. they just seem to be a major outlier.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:56 pm
I'm not sure, but I do hear that CDC is badly underfunded, with most energies in other areas, not something like this. We're grossly underfunded in a bunch of areas of systemic public health research and mitigation. Don't get me started...

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:35 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:56 pm
I'm not sure, but I do hear that CDC is badly underfunded, with most energies in other areas, not something like this. We're grossly underfunded in a bunch of areas of systemic public health research and mitigation. Don't get me started...

They are rightfully underfunded.
They are about as useful as a bandaid on a gunshot wound. For the past 10 years I would get the bi-weekly recurring meeting invite to the CDC's required safety reporting meetings at each military base that housed chem weapon stockpiles. For 10 years we got to listen to them talk for an hour about supervisors reminding employees about slips and falls, people not wearing safety hardhats, and avoiding fender benders in the parking lot. But no real chem demil safety. CDC has been a waste of money for decades. Not surprising they are backwards on most of this.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:43 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:35 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:56 pm
I'm not sure, but I do hear that CDC is badly underfunded, with most energies in other areas, not something like this. We're grossly underfunded in a bunch of areas of systemic public health research and mitigation. Don't get me started...

They are rightfully underfunded.
They are about as useful as a bandaid on a gunshot wound. For the past 10 years I would get the bi-weekly recurring meeting invite to the CDC's required safety reporting meetings at each military base that housed chem weapon stockpiles. For 10 years we got to listen to them talk for an hour about supervisors reminding employees about slips and falls, people not wearing safety hardhats, and avoiding fender benders in the parking lot. But no real chem demil safety. CDC has been a waste of money for decades. Not surprising they are backwards on most of this.

The CDC was doing chemical weapons meetings? Really?
I wouldn't think that was anywhere near their expertise.

Biological weapons, maybe, but would still think that'd be a DoD expertise.

What you describe sounds more like OSHA, not CDC.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 9:48 pm Antarctica currently has 0 cases of Covid-19.

It's due to the ice-olation.

holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 10:37 am Some dental offices and other nonessential procedure offices opened here today. A lot of our dentist friends are still closed as they just don't have access to the additional PPE they need when dealing with aerosol generating procedures.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 9:49 am I also remember thinking they would bring something better to the meetings since they were hosting 2 a month...