Orange Duce

[holmes435]

It's not like they could have planned for bad weather ahead of time. And who would have known this would be the 100 year anniversary, it snuck up on us at the last second. And 60 miles by motorcade is incredibly hard to travel, it's almost double his 30 mile motorcade trips to Trump National Golf Club in Virginia.

This whole thing was simply unworkable.

[old salt]

Get over it. Macron has.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... ue-to-rain
In the wake of criticism that Trump didn't travel by car to the event, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a statement Sunday that noted the weather and "near-zero visibility" as well as concerns that a motorcade on short notice would have required closing substantial portions of area roadways.

"President Trump did not want to cause that kind of unexpected disruption to the city and its people," Sanders said. She also said the trip to Aisne-Marne was 2½ hours each way by car.

Instead, Trump spent much of Saturday at the U.S. ambassador's residence following a meeting and lunch with French President Emmanuel Macron. Trump was in Paris for events to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I.

The determination to ground Marine One, the president's helicopter, due to bad weather is made by the Marine Corps and the White House Military Office, which then presents the recommendation to the White House in collaboration with the Secret Service, according to a Secret Service official.

Paris was covered in clouds with drizzling rain through most of Saturday.

On Sunday, Trump attended a scheduled event honoring American war dead at a U.S. cemetery just outside of Paris.

Nationalism is a betrayal of Patriotism .salut1. .bs1.
The EU Chowder & Marching Society.
How many NATO Divisions can they muster on the Eastern Front ?
Check out Macron trooping the line (Starting @ 25:00). It looks like a Mr Bean trailer.
Yoyo Ma. Bolero. Dramatic readings by snowflakes in black leather jackets w/yellow scarves.
No wonder Trump skipped it. Where's the parade with tanks & stuff ?

[Trinity]

And Arlington yesterday? The National Cemetery is not up to snuff for a Trump?
Meanwhile, Trump attacks the fire fighters in California.

[DMac]

The determination to ground Marine One, the president's helicopter, due to bad weather is made by the Marine Corps and the White House Military Office, which then presents the recommendation to the White House in collaboration with the Secret Service, according to a Secret Service official.

Paris was covered in clouds with drizzling rain through most of Saturday.

If Jared and Ivanka had needed a lift on this cloudy, drizzly day, I'm not so sure the Prez would have let a recommendation stop him from sending his chopper to go pick them up, and I'd bet if General Patton had needed to get from point A to point B on that day, that chopper would have taken him there despite any recommendations he had been given.
All of this sounds like a perfect built in excuse for the Prez to not have to go stand in the rain to me.

The new classic car will also be fitted a modern day drive train, suspension and even a state of the art air conditioning system. It will also have all the features and amenities that we have come to expect from the cars of today.


The modern Mustang will have power windows and locks disguised as classic window cranks. In addition to a Bluetooth stereo system, the ashtray pulls out to unveil USB and auxiliary slots for to plug in mp3 audio devices. The convertible top will fold down with the push of a button and the car will also be equipped with power steering, anti-lock brakes and a collapsible steering column, safety technology that wasn’t available back in the day for the original model. Air bags will not be included since reproduction vehicles are exempt from having to have them, however three point seat belt systems will be installed.

https://www.wilsonauto.com/wilson-auto- ... -features/#
You can take an old Model T and equip it with every modern day gadget available, including navigation devices. I don't understand how, or why, the Prez's old chopper isn't equipped with modern day radars and navigation equipment which would allow it to fly on a cloudy, drizzly day safely. Makes no sense to me.

[runrussellrun]

And Arlington yesterday? The National Cemetery is not up to snuff for a Trump?
Meanwhile, Trump attacks the fire fighters in California.

Some still call it "Armistice Day ", but Veterans Day is about celebrating the living, not the dead. (that why people have business promos on the day )

ANd tRump did NOT attack any fire fighters. His comments were toward Gov. Brown, you do realize this, right ? Jerry Brown is blaming the wild fires on climate deniers. (which he is one of, b/c he hasn't banned cars in southern CA yet ) It's as if wildfires have NEVER happened before, in the earths 150 year history.

[Trinity]

The French laid a wreath at Arlington yesterday.

And these are urban fires, not forest fires. This isn’t about cleaning brush. The Cali fire fighters ain’t happy with Duce threats to cut funds.

[foreverlax]

It's not like they could have planned for bad weather ahead of time. And who would have known this would be the 100 year anniversary, it snuck up on us at the last second. And 60 miles by motorcade is incredibly hard to travel, it's almost double his 30 mile motorcade trips to Trump National Golf Club in Virginia.

This whole thing was simply unworkable.

Yea, this!!

How many other diplomats figure out how to get there?

[foreverlax]

CU-77 -- this is not the time to evaluate policy, but has there been any serious discussion within CA about how to effectively mitigate & reduce the wildfire risk. It would seem that a large scale, significant near term effort is required, beyond waiting for a reversal of climate change. El Nino & Santa Ana will never go away.

Stay safe. Thoughts & prayers don't put out the fires, but you & your neighbors have mine.

It's not an easy problem, mainly because many people like to live near the wild areas, and quite a few have built expensive homes there. Tell them that they can't do that, and they'll decry gubmint interference in the free market.

I'm no forest-management expert, but I know that plans for controlled burns that would mitigate future wildfires are sometimes derailed by NIMBYs. Who have a point that "controlled" burns can very easily become uncontrolled, despite all best practices.

The perennial fire problem has been greatly exacerbated by the severe droughts of recent years that have turned much of the back country into a giant tinderbox, and the persistence of warm weather later and later into the Fall. In years past, my wife & I would try to see if we could make it to Halloween without turning on the furnace. The past few years, we've been wishing we had air conditioning.

This article provides some useful background.

Maybe it's time to unshackle the loggers (again)

In 1977, I visited a former squadron mate who was working for Columbia Helicopters, flying long line timber extraction in the Sierras.
Their thinning & extraction process was very impressive. They were strictly regulated, in the field, on what trees they could take.
In 2016 the volume of timber harvested in CA's govt owned forests was down to 1/8th of the volume thinned in 1978.

Insights from DOPUS, the Fire Bear

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get Smart!

Five Myths about Wildfires

Myth #1: Regularly logging forests prevents wildfire

Myth #2: There is nothing you can do to protect your property

Myth #3: Forest fires are an inevitable fact of nature

Myth #4: All wildfires are bad and must be quenched immediately

Myth #5: It is possible to eradicate (or control) all forest fires

[runrussellrun]

The French laid a wreath at Arlington yesterday.

And these are urban fires, not forest fires. This isn’t about cleaning brush. The Cali fire fighters ain’t happy with Duce threats to cut funds.

Back in reality world, Paradise California is urban. Umm....ok.

And just love the BBC link, climate change, climate change climate change. Makes some bold claims that wildfires have increased since 1980, but provide NO FACTS to back this up. It's link to THIS article is funny. (nonsense)

https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-evid ... -wildfires

All that makes it hard to pin down why any one given fire happened, or even why any one region might be seeing more fire, though a handful of such attribution studies have been done. Nevertheless, there is still a clear link between general climate trends — in particular warming temperatures — and an increased risk for fire. “If we have higher temps, we have a greater probability of fire starting, fire spreading, and fire intensifying.


In other words, we have NO $cience to back up the claim, but we're going to make it anyway book1

OH......and regarding the firefighters. Didn't know prisoners could join a UNION ( Gee, lets follow the money and see who got this contract... )

https://thinkprogress.org/prison-labor- ... 0e2086ce1/

According to WBUR, inmates make up nearly 40 percent of California’s firefighters, saving the state $100 million per year.

[dislaxxic]

On Veterans Day, Trump skips visit to Arlington and demands military voters be disenfranchised

"On Veterans Day, Trump skips visit to Arlington and demands military voters be disenfranchised"

Disenfranchise military voters?? What is President Tin Ear thinking?? Wait...thinking...trump...oxymoron...

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[Brooklyn]

Orange Douche and the fires:

[runrussellrun]

On Veterans Day, Trump skips visit to Arlington and demands military voters be disenfranchised

"On Veterans Day, Trump skips visit to Arlington and demands military voters be disenfranchised"

Disenfranchise military voters?? What is President Tin Ear thinking?? Wait...thinking...trump...oxymoron...

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WHy do you post this junk? So much real stuff to bash tRump on, but please provide any FACTS regarding the following:

-Unwritten tradition of Presidents visiting Arlington on Veterans day. (Or even Memorial Day ) careful with the facts on the past Presidents

- Specific comments from tRump about veterans

-such poorly written junk. Was tRump in Paris, New Jersey, or Washington DC over the weekend?

[foreverlax]

More on the CA fire -

CNN led into his segment by quoting Trump’s tweet and the Pasadena Fire Association’s response.

“The fires in So. Cal are urban interface fires and have NOTHING to do with forest management. Come to SoCal and learn the facts & help the victims,” the firefighters’ group tweeted on Saturday.

Sater added more to the explanation of why the president was wrong about these wildfires.

“Forest management has nothing to do with mountain winds coming down the passes at 70 miles per hour,” Sater said. “Or humidity levels in one hour dropping Thursday from 35 percent down into single digits, dryer than most deserts.”

The meteorologist also passed along a point that someone else made on Twitter about Trump’s threat to cut funding ― a point with which Sater wholeheartedly agrees.

“It’s like taking funds from the National Hurricane Center until you stop all these hurricanes,” Sater said. “It’s the same notion.”

[dislaxxic]

More on Marine helicopters in the rain...maybe salty can tell us whats wrong with this article??

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[runrussellrun]

Can some pretend liberal ask the firefighters why they won't hire any of the former Prisoner fire fighters after being released? Or, ask Gov. Jerry Brown why they can't hire ex-cons to become firefighters?

SOmeone manages the prisoners while fighting fires, correct book1

[runrussellrun]

More on Marine helicopters in the rain...maybe salty can tell us whats wrong with this article??

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WHo the F cares..... bang1 bang1 bang1

Maybe tRump just had to take a dump for criminy sake. So many REAL issues to bash tRump for....and you go for this. We can do better.

[MDlaxfan76]

This really isn't all that complicated.

Had Trump wished to be at any of these events, he would have been at each instead of sitting on his tail and tweeting angrily.

Clearly this was a choice, his choice, in each instance.

The second aspect is much more speculative, as to why he has been in such a foul mood that he's been acting so childishly, angrily tweeting, unwilling to answer challenging questions, attacking the media, attacking the election system, attacking California, etc, etc.

I think it actually started well prior to last Tuesday, when he realized that the House was indeed lost (with all that such means to him and his family), with the 'Kavanaugh effect' only going so far.

He amped his demonization rhetoric a couple of notches higher, sent troops to the border over the objections of DoD.

He narrowed his campaign rally performances to areas where the Trumpist vote was already strong and stayed away from the rest. This did have the ameliorating effect, as to his mood, of giving near daily positive feedback to him personally. Kept him at least in a posture where he could actually feel positive at times.

But then Tuesday was over and it washed over him that the House was gone, and the rallies were finished. No more cheering crowds.

The mental survival instinct was to go into full blown denial of the reality, to call it a 'near total victory'. But also go into full blown attack mode at the press, a convenient 'enemy' whose 'challenge' of his own BS on whom he undoubtedly blames the loss.

Striking out, he accelerates Sessions' resignation and puts in place a stooge, only to have that blow up in his face.

And then the 'loss' of Tuesday night continued to snowball as more and more districts reported and 'red' Senate seats moved 'blue'. So, attack the system as 'corrupt' and 'fraud' etc.

And then he learns that Macron and the rest of the European leaders are contemplating giving him the finger in a variety of ways, beginning with the floating of a European defense force to insure against threats from China, Russia...and the US. The latter the only reason why NATO isn't the answer. He may even have had intelligence that Macron was going to challenge "nationalism" in stark ways, a direct rebuke of Trump.

And, obtw, Mueller keeps going. Rumor that indictments are coming shortly, if not already filed under seal, including of Don Jr, possibly Jared, certainly Stone, and other associates more directly involved in communications and meetings with the Russians. And of course the drumbeat of financial investigations, whether from the Mueller team or from the NY, federal and state. Tapes, records of financial transactions, tax returns, bank statements...And election violations with the payments, as an unindicted co-conspirator actually directing the transactions- proven lies, FEC crimes.

Golly, hard to imagine not being in a foul mood with all of that going down in just one week and with no fawning crowds to cheer him up.

But, hey, the bone spurs were acting up and it was rainy. And he didn't get the parade he wanted...

[dislaxxic]

There was an interesting back-and-forth about the subject a bit up-thread...but that apparently doesn't matter to pretend posters. Pretends that feel they have to challenge EVERY. STINKIN. POST. made on the board, because folks apparently aren't diligent enough in their convictions to be allowed to have a conversation.

Maybe a bump in the Prozac??

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[Trinity]

Melania wants Kelly gone.

[old salt]

More on Marine helicopters in the rain...maybe salty can tell us whats wrong with this article??

Fallows just blew whatever credibility he has as a pilot. He's a private pilot, with an instrument rating, & single engine airplane rating. BFD

Nobody said Marine 1 can't fly in the rain (in non-icing conditions).
The issue was low ceilings along the flight route & at the landing site.
If you take off, climb into the clouds, lose sight of visual ground references & fly via instruments, you have to be able to reacquire visual ground references prior to landing. That is done by executing a charted certified instrument approach procedure.

Because of the low ceilings (600 ft at Orly) the flight would have to have been conducted under instrument flight rules (IFR), which requires a destination airport or heliport with a certified instrument approach, to safely transition from flying in the clouds (by reference to flight instruments), to flying by reference to visual cues to safely land the aircraft. That's particularly critical for helos during the transition from forward flight to hover & landing. I could find no charted aviation facility with a published instrument approach anywhere near the cemetery to be visited.

It would have been unsafe (& possibly illegal) to attempt that flight under visual flight rules (VFR) below a 600 ft ceiling (which is measured only at the departure airport, with no ceiling & visibility measurements available enroute & at the destination).

No President, or responsible USMC or Secret Service official is going to authorize that mission or order the Marine 1 Helicopter Aircraft Commander (HAC) to attempt such a risky mission, & no Marine 1 HAC would follow such an order.

Fallows should be ashamed for holding himself out as a expert on this issue. He cites just enough facts to mislead & make it seem he knows what he's talking about.
There's a 3000 ft grass strip airport in nearby Chateau-Thierry. Somebody should ask that weasel Fallows if he'd load his wife into their Cirrus & attempt to scud run that flight under VFR, staying below that ceiling, dodging obstructions in low visibility, & not becoming disoriented trying to execute a VFR landing pattern under those conditions.