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Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
by DocBarrister
njbill wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:10 pm The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled today that ballots received by the Friday after election day may be counted as long as they were postmarked by election day or as long as there is no indication they were mailed after that date. Ballots without postmarks will be counted if received by that Friday.

The court also ruled that drop boxes will be permitted.

Lastly, the court ruled the Green party candidate cannot appear on the ballot.

All in all, good news for Biden.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav ... 00917.html

The question of early processing or counting of ballots is still up in the air. Governor Wolf wants that to begin three weeks before the election. The Republican proposal in the State Legislature is that the process may begin three days ahead of time.
Huge wins for Democrats on multiple fronts.

DocBarrister 8-)

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Very Good Analysis On The Upcoming Election

NOT TRIPE.

Delaware can reasonably claim to be the most innocuous state in the US. The tax-advantageous peninsula seldom incurs hatred, its opposite, or even a second thought from those outside its nearly 1m residents. Chuck Palahniuk’s novel Fight Club, in which a man seeks deliverance from a life of desk-bound averageness, has Wilmington, its largest city, as an implied setting.

Not all politicians take after their states, but despite being Pennsylvania-born, Joe Biden is Delaware incarnate. In half a century of public life, the Democratic candidate for president has never assembled an intense fan base or many dedicated enemies. His politics are middle-of-the-road and his charisma is of the functional, baby-kissing sort. The polls suggest that President Donald Trump’s supporters are fewer but incomparably more zealous. This “enthusiasm gap”, with its supposed implications for turnout, disturbs the sleep of some of Mr Biden’s supporters.

It is also the most precious thing about him. The US has had two consecutive presidents with messianic followings, and it is worse off for the 12-year surge of emotion. No democracy is riper for a period of tepid leadership.

The problem with the politician as hero is that even well-meaning ones can damage civic life in all sorts of ways. The most corrosive is the raising of impossible expectations. Barack Obama touted his presidency as the “moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow”. Others read into his election the end of America’s racial schisms. What transpired — a conscientious, flawed, mildly reformist administration — inevitably struck millions as a grievous betrayal. No one who grew up in Tony Blair’s UK will fail to recognise the dive in mass sentiment from ecstatic credulity to embittered cynicism. By not starting so high, Mr Biden cannot fall so low.

Then there is Newton’s law on equal and opposite forces. One side’s enthusiasm for a leader is the other side’s alienation. Republicans who diagnose liberals with “Trump derangement syndrome” are citing a case in point. But it is as nothing against their own conniptions about Mr Obama a decade ago. In fact, the current president is best understood as a howl against the previous one.

Given that hatred of Bill Clinton and George W Bush were also mass-participation sports, Mr Biden promises to be the first president since the latter’s father whom a large majority of Americans could more or less live with. What he cannot command in enthusiasm he makes up for in what we might call legitimacy. Had he lost the nomination to Bernie Sanders, a Democrat with a fervent flock, America would be in line for another dialling up of partisan tension, whoever wins in November.

Political enthusiasm is not just the cause of problems, but also the symptom of them. It can sometimes seem that, as the US has atomised, citizens have returned to politics as a means of emotional expression and human belonging. Partisan tribe fills in for family, neighbourhood, romantic love and friendship. A generation has passed since the Harvard professor Robert Putnam traced the decline of associational life in his “Bowling Alone” essay. Cause and effect are nightmares to establish, but, starting with the new congressional Republicans of 1994, it has been a generation of “my party right or wrong”. It follows that one’s leader is not just an executor of policies but the object of blind loyalty. “Enthusiasm” can be a euphemism for something altogether weird and pernicious.

The problem, in other words, is not Mr Biden’s failure to kindle passion in people. It is our psychic need for such a person in the first place. His election might reacquaint the US with politics as it should be and has been: a machine for the arbitration of conflicting claims, and not as the basis of one’s whole identity.

It is hard to convey the coolness — in truth, the resentment — with which Mr Biden’s candidacy was met by many Democrats upon its launch 18 months ago. After their long tryst with Mr Obama, there was something bathetic about the man from Wilmington. The urge to worship a leader is often framed as rightwing, and the Trump base is unsurpassed in its intensity. But the itch is ultimately cross-partisan.

It was not conservatives who made West Wing, the syrupy television drama about a near saint of a Democratic president. It was not conservatives who built the now faltering cult of the Kennedys. Mr Biden is the corrective to an unhealthy trend in his party and country. Nothing commends him to national leadership as much as the mild feelings that he arouses. Whatever enthusiasm has achieved this past decade or so, it is not an America at peace with itself.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:23 am
by seacoaster
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 pm Very Good Analysis On The Upcoming Election

NOT TRIPE.

Delaware can reasonably claim to be the most innocuous state in the US. The tax-advantageous peninsula seldom incurs hatred, its opposite, or even a second thought from those outside its nearly 1m residents. Chuck Palahniuk’s novel Fight Club, in which a man seeks deliverance from a life of desk-bound averageness, has Wilmington, its largest city, as an implied setting.

Not all politicians take after their states, but despite being Pennsylvania-born, Joe Biden is Delaware incarnate. In half a century of public life, the Democratic candidate for president has never assembled an intense fan base or many dedicated enemies. His politics are middle-of-the-road and his charisma is of the functional, baby-kissing sort. The polls suggest that President Donald Trump’s supporters are fewer but incomparably more zealous. This “enthusiasm gap”, with its supposed implications for turnout, disturbs the sleep of some of Mr Biden’s supporters.

It is also the most precious thing about him. The US has had two consecutive presidents with messianic followings, and it is worse off for the 12-year surge of emotion. No democracy is riper for a period of tepid leadership.

The problem with the politician as hero is that even well-meaning ones can damage civic life in all sorts of ways. The most corrosive is the raising of impossible expectations. Barack Obama touted his presidency as the “moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow”. Others read into his election the end of America’s racial schisms. What transpired — a conscientious, flawed, mildly reformist administration — inevitably struck millions as a grievous betrayal. No one who grew up in Tony Blair’s UK will fail to recognise the dive in mass sentiment from ecstatic credulity to embittered cynicism. By not starting so high, Mr Biden cannot fall so low.

Then there is Newton’s law on equal and opposite forces. One side’s enthusiasm for a leader is the other side’s alienation. Republicans who diagnose liberals with “Trump derangement syndrome” are citing a case in point. But it is as nothing against their own conniptions about Mr Obama a decade ago. In fact, the current president is best understood as a howl against the previous one.

Given that hatred of Bill Clinton and George W Bush were also mass-participation sports, Mr Biden promises to be the first president since the latter’s father whom a large majority of Americans could more or less live with. What he cannot command in enthusiasm he makes up for in what we might call legitimacy. Had he lost the nomination to Bernie Sanders, a Democrat with a fervent flock, America would be in line for another dialling up of partisan tension, whoever wins in November.

Political enthusiasm is not just the cause of problems, but also the symptom of them. It can sometimes seem that, as the US has atomised, citizens have returned to politics as a means of emotional expression and human belonging. Partisan tribe fills in for family, neighbourhood, romantic love and friendship. A generation has passed since the Harvard professor Robert Putnam traced the decline of associational life in his “Bowling Alone” essay. Cause and effect are nightmares to establish, but, starting with the new congressional Republicans of 1994, it has been a generation of “my party right or wrong”. It follows that one’s leader is not just an executor of policies but the object of blind loyalty. “Enthusiasm” can be a euphemism for something altogether weird and pernicious.

The problem, in other words, is not Mr Biden’s failure to kindle passion in people. It is our psychic need for such a person in the first place. His election might reacquaint the US with politics as it should be and has been: a machine for the arbitration of conflicting claims, and not as the basis of one’s whole identity.

It is hard to convey the coolness — in truth, the resentment — with which Mr Biden’s candidacy was met by many Democrats upon its launch 18 months ago. After their long tryst with Mr Obama, there was something bathetic about the man from Wilmington. The urge to worship a leader is often framed as rightwing, and the Trump base is unsurpassed in its intensity. But the itch is ultimately cross-partisan.

It was not conservatives who made West Wing, the syrupy television drama about a near saint of a Democratic president. It was not conservatives who built the now faltering cult of the Kennedys. Mr Biden is the corrective to an unhealthy trend in his party and country. Nothing commends him to national leadership as much as the mild feelings that he arouses. Whatever enthusiasm has achieved this past decade or so, it is not an America at peace with itself.
Good article. Thanks for posting it.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:31 am
by youthathletics
From that article..

Given that hatred of Bill Clinton and George W Bush were also mass-participation sports, Mr Biden promises to be the first president since the latter’s father whom a large majority of Americans could more or less live with. What he cannot command in enthusiasm he makes up for in what we might call legitimacy. Had he lost the nomination to Bernie Sanders, a Democrat with a fervent flock, America would be in line for another dialling up of partisan tension, whoever wins in November.

Boy oh boy is that a mouthful (in bold), and yes, the mind juggle of decision come election day will likely freeze many with indecision. You can almost see how the message is blame Trump for ALL things negative, in order to EFF with your emotions...and yet during these 4 years, we made some nice strides....considering all the investigations and impeachment noise.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:32 am
by cradleandshoot
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:23 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 pm Very Good Analysis On The Upcoming Election

NOT TRIPE.

Delaware can reasonably claim to be the most innocuous state in the US. The tax-advantageous peninsula seldom incurs hatred, its opposite, or even a second thought from those outside its nearly 1m residents. Chuck Palahniuk’s novel Fight Club, in which a man seeks deliverance from a life of desk-bound averageness, has Wilmington, its largest city, as an implied setting.

Not all politicians take after their states, but despite being Pennsylvania-born, Joe Biden is Delaware incarnate. In half a century of public life, the Democratic candidate for president has never assembled an intense fan base or many dedicated enemies. His politics are middle-of-the-road and his charisma is of the functional, baby-kissing sort. The polls suggest that President Donald Trump’s supporters are fewer but incomparably more zealous. This “enthusiasm gap”, with its supposed implications for turnout, disturbs the sleep of some of Mr Biden’s supporters.

It is also the most precious thing about him. The US has had two consecutive presidents with messianic followings, and it is worse off for the 12-year surge of emotion. No democracy is riper for a period of tepid leadership.

The problem with the politician as hero is that even well-meaning ones can damage civic life in all sorts of ways. The most corrosive is the raising of impossible expectations. Barack Obama touted his presidency as the “moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow”. Others read into his election the end of America’s racial schisms. What transpired — a conscientious, flawed, mildly reformist administration — inevitably struck millions as a grievous betrayal. No one who grew up in Tony Blair’s UK will fail to recognise the dive in mass sentiment from ecstatic credulity to embittered cynicism. By not starting so high, Mr Biden cannot fall so low.

Then there is Newton’s law on equal and opposite forces. One side’s enthusiasm for a leader is the other side’s alienation. Republicans who diagnose liberals with “Trump derangement syndrome” are citing a case in point. But it is as nothing against their own conniptions about Mr Obama a decade ago. In fact, the current president is best understood as a howl against the previous one.

Given that hatred of Bill Clinton and George W Bush were also mass-participation sports, Mr Biden promises to be the first president since the latter’s father whom a large majority of Americans could more or less live with. What he cannot command in enthusiasm he makes up for in what we might call legitimacy. Had he lost the nomination to Bernie Sanders, a Democrat with a fervent flock, America would be in line for another dialling up of partisan tension, whoever wins in November.

Political enthusiasm is not just the cause of problems, but also the symptom of them. It can sometimes seem that, as the US has atomised, citizens have returned to politics as a means of emotional expression and human belonging. Partisan tribe fills in for family, neighbourhood, romantic love and friendship. A generation has passed since the Harvard professor Robert Putnam traced the decline of associational life in his “Bowling Alone” essay. Cause and effect are nightmares to establish, but, starting with the new congressional Republicans of 1994, it has been a generation of “my party right or wrong”. It follows that one’s leader is not just an executor of policies but the object of blind loyalty. “Enthusiasm” can be a euphemism for something altogether weird and pernicious.

The problem, in other words, is not Mr Biden’s failure to kindle passion in people. It is our psychic need for such a person in the first place. His election might reacquaint the US with politics as it should be and has been: a machine for the arbitration of conflicting claims, and not as the basis of one’s whole identity.

It is hard to convey the coolness — in truth, the resentment — with which Mr Biden’s candidacy was met by many Democrats upon its launch 18 months ago. After their long tryst with Mr Obama, there was something bathetic about the man from Wilmington. The urge to worship a leader is often framed as rightwing, and the Trump base is unsurpassed in its intensity. But the itch is ultimately cross-partisan.

It was not conservatives who made West Wing, the syrupy television drama about a near saint of a Democratic president. It was not conservatives who built the now faltering cult of the Kennedys. Mr Biden is the corrective to an unhealthy trend in his party and country. Nothing commends him to national leadership as much as the mild feelings that he arouses. Whatever enthusiasm has achieved this past decade or so, it is not an America at peace with itself.
Good article. Thanks for posting it.
POTUS Biden would have one very large IOU to the extreme radical base of the party. They will come knocking at his door on 1/21 expecting payment in full with interest. I can see them camping out on the White House lawn already with their list of "demands" WH police better get the porta poddies ready. :D

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am
by Peter Brown
The Biden Town Hall was offensively soft.

What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least. You need to be challenged by an adversarial questioner, not get fluffered by some lib lunatics.

'Tell me Mr Vice President, just how great are you on a scale of 10 to 10?' :roll:

Challenge yourself, you birdbrain. America is dumb enough than to get dumbed down even more by an event like last night.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:18 am
by CU88
DocBarrister wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
njbill wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:10 pm The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled today that ballots received by the Friday after election day may be counted as long as they were postmarked by election day or as long as there is no indication they were mailed after that date. Ballots without postmarks will be counted if received by that Friday.

The court also ruled that drop boxes will be permitted.

Lastly, the court ruled the Green party candidate cannot appear on the ballot.

All in all, good news for Biden.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav ... 00917.html

The question of early processing or counting of ballots is still up in the air. Governor Wolf wants that to begin three weeks before the election. The Republican proposal in the State Legislature is that the process may begin three days ahead of time.
Huge wins for Democrats on multiple fronts.

DocBarrister 8-)
No offense, but this is a win for Justice and ALL Americans.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:20 am
by CU88
Instead of demanding a chair and sitting for his townhall, Biden stood the entire time.

Anyone catch Biden, in an embarrassing senior moment, reciting the divergent biological methods of two possible vaccines (molecular structure versus immune system enhancement) and also detailing the chemical specifics how they have to be stored and transported.

Awkward!

:D

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:22 am
by Peter Brown
CU88 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:18 am
DocBarrister wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:28 pm
njbill wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:10 pm The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled today that ballots received by the Friday after election day may be counted as long as they were postmarked by election day or as long as there is no indication they were mailed after that date. Ballots without postmarks will be counted if received by that Friday.

The court also ruled that drop boxes will be permitted.

Lastly, the court ruled the Green party candidate cannot appear on the ballot.

All in all, good news for Biden.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav ... 00917.html

The question of early processing or counting of ballots is still up in the air. Governor Wolf wants that to begin three weeks before the election. The Republican proposal in the State Legislature is that the process may begin three days ahead of time.
Huge wins for Democrats on multiple fronts.

DocBarrister 8-)
No offense, but this is a win for Justice and ALL Americans.


If by "JUSTICE" what CU88 means is fraudulent voting well after a vote deadline, sure.

What Democrats want is open-ended voting with no deadline in order to change the outcome after the fact, straight up. They are NOT interested in an honest election.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:26 am
by holmes435
I had been wondering what rock O'Reilly had been hiding under.

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Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:30 am
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am The Biden Town Hall was offensively soft.

What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least. You need to be challenged by an adversarial questioner, not get fluffered by some lib lunatics.

'Tell me Mr Vice President, just how great are you on a scale of 10 to 10?' :roll:

Challenge yourself, you birdbrain. America is dumb enough than to get dumbed down even more by an event like last night.
It's you knuckleheads who have set the low bar for Biden, the notion that he's senile, mentally addled, incapable of coherent thoughts.

He crushes that bar and much more, he communicates, with integrity, real empathy.

Taking direct questions from voters, many of whom had voted for Trump and either weren't committed this year or are still in the Trump camp, he addressed all with coherence and empathy. You don't have to agree with him, but you didn't doubt that he knew a lot about a very wide range of topics, lots and lots of detail, and that he understood where the person was coming from, what he or she was experiencing.

The contrast with Trump's town hall couldn't have been more stark. Bumbling, stupid, inarticulate, and often clueless on detail, certainly unable to communicate with empathy...indeed exhibiting only concern about how issues impacted himself and his campaign. Throw in a bunch of whopper lies...yikes, the contrast was huge.

So, let's move the bar, right?
Too late, it's been set.
Great campaign strategy Fox/Trump.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:35 am
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:30 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am The Biden Town Hall was offensively soft.

What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least. You need to be challenged by an adversarial questioner, not get fluffered by some lib lunatics.

'Tell me Mr Vice President, just how great are you on a scale of 10 to 10?' :roll:

Challenge yourself, you birdbrain. America is dumb enough than to get dumbed down even more by an event like last night.
It's you knuckleheads who have set the low bar for Biden, the notion that he's senile, mentally addled, incapable of coherent thoughts.

He crushes that bar and much more, he communicates, with integrity, real empathy.

Taking direct questions from voters, many of whom had voted for Trump and either weren't committed this year or are still in the Trump camp, he addressed all with coherence and empathy. You don't have to agree with him, but you didn't doubt that he knew a lot about a very wide range of topics, lots and lots of detail, and that he understood where the person was coming from, what he or she was experiencing.

The contrast with Trump's town hall couldn't have been more stark. Bumbling, stupid, inarticulate, and often clueless on detail, certainly unable to communicate with empathy...indeed exhibiting only concern about how issues impacted himself and his campaign. Throw in a bunch of whopper lies...yikes, the contrast was huge.

So, let's move the bar, right?
Too late, it's been set.
Great campaign strategy Fox/Trump.


Well, I watched it and was not impressed at all, and I suspect most honest people will say the same. Joe is old...and by that I do not mean age, but his mind. He meanders easily. He also has a mean streak underneath it all, which came out with his attempted bit@h-slap of the one female Republican voter (which I suspect made people like you glad, seeing that he has fight, but most honest women came away saying, whoa, 'that dude was not too kind to that woman standing on a national 'stage').

What would help is if he's ever confronted by an interviewer who knows and reports the score, rather than someone helping him make layups like last night.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 am
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least.
Biden is going on Chris Wallace’s “show” in less than two weeks.

Let’s see how he does there on the national stage.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:45 am
by holmes435
Petey doesn't like Biden because he thinks he meanders easily and has a mean streak??

The projection is mind-boggling.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:49 am
by Typical Lax Dad
njbill wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least.
Biden is going on Chris Wallace’s “show” in less than two weeks.

Let’s see how he does there on the national stage.
When does The Chris Wallace Show air?

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:50 am
by Peter Brown
holmes435 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:45 am No true American would ever vote for someone who meanders easily and has a mean streak...

The projection is mind-boggling.


So after whining for 4 years about Trump’s mind and character, you’re now good doing the same. Fight fire with Fire huh. Ought to go great for you on 11-3. :roll:

Interesting.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:55 am
by MDlaxfan76
This is indeed the mindset of the Trump CULT as revealed by Petey.

No matter how untrue, all is fair in the war for power.

Their Leader has been critiqued for observable reality, so they must critique opponents on the same dimensions oblivious to reality.

Indeed the greater the lie, the more delight in making it.

Just like Der Leader.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:56 am
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:55 am This is indeed the mindset of the Trump CULT as revealed by Petey.

No matter how untrue, all is fair in the war for power.

Their Leader has been critiqued for observable reality, so they must critique opponents on the same dimensions oblivious to reality.

Indeed the greater the lie, the more delight in making it.

Just like Der Leader.



Where's the lie in saying Joe's mind meanders and he was mean-spirited to that one Republican woman?

I'll wait.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:58 am
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:22 am What Democrats want is open-ended voting with no deadline in order to change the outcome after the fact, straight up. They are NOT interested in an honest election.
I was a little surprised they are going to allow ballots received by the Friday after election day without a postmark before election day unless there is some indication the ballot was mailed after election day.

I suspect that the number of “unmarked” ballots received after election day that end up being counted will be small, but we shall see. I imagine the clerks will keep a count of those by candidate so there will be a record if there is a challenge.

If I am correct that this group of ballots will be small in number, then vote differential between the candidates will be even smaller. My guess is that at the end of the day this difference won’t be enough to tip Pennsylvania.

Yesterday’s ruling does make clear, however, that we likely won’t know Pennsylvania’s result for perhaps a week after election day.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:00 am
by njbill
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:49 am
njbill wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:43 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 am What Biden should do is go on Chris Wallace's show, at the very least.
Biden is going on Chris Wallace’s “show” in less than two weeks.

Let’s see how he does there on the national stage.
When does The Chris Wallace Show air?
September 29. The first debate.