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Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:57 am
by Brooklyn
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:39 am
Brooklyn wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:33 pm Democrats love racial warfare. It keeps them in office.

Ignore.
Yes, we all know that it was the Democrats who said Mexicans are all rapists, that Haiti and Third World nations are all "s_____ holes", and that the Central Park Five need to be executed even though they were innocent.

Ain't that right, Petey?




I don’t know even one person who agreed with Trump’s more idiotic comments. And I know a ton of conservatives. Most don’t like Trump on a personal level at all.

Meanwhile every democrat I know subscribes to racial warfare. Every single one.



Let's see some proof of that claim. We'll wait ...

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:34 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:53 am
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:57 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:39 am
Brooklyn wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:33 pm Democrats love racial warfare. It keeps them in office.

Ignore.
Yes, we all know that it was the Democrats who said Mexicans are all rapists, that Haiti and Third World nations are all "s_____ holes", and that the Central Park Five need to be executed even though they were innocent.

Ain't that right, Petey?




I don’t know even one person who agreed with Trump’s more idiotic comments. And I know a ton of conservatives. Most don’t like Trump on a personal level at all.

Meanwhile every democrat I know subscribes to racial warfare. Every single one.



Let's see some proof of that claim. We'll wait ...
Reply will be like Channing Tatum and Jonah Hill in this clip.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2BMsHppIKM

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm
by Peter Brown
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:57 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:39 am
Brooklyn wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:33 pm Democrats love racial warfare. It keeps them in office.

Ignore.
Yes, we all know that it was the Democrats who said Mexicans are all rapists, that Haiti and Third World nations are all "s_____ holes", and that the Central Park Five need to be executed even though they were innocent.

Ain't that right, Petey?




I don’t know even one person who agreed with Trump’s more idiotic comments. And I know a ton of conservatives. Most don’t like Trump on a personal level at all.

Meanwhile every democrat I know subscribes to racial warfare. Every single one.
Let's see some proof of that claim. We'll wait ...


Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

Even converted Democrats like MDLax abuse the term. Guys like DocB and the line are obviously in the stratosphere. Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

I have zero doubt many Democrats will not accept a not guilty verdict on chauvin. They’ll be content to find home addresses and places of work for any juror who has the cojones to use reasoning. You doubt that for a second?

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:42 pm
by Brooklyn
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm


Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

... Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

... You doubt that for a second?


Yeah, sorta like right wingers here calling anyone who dares to disagree with them "commie", "socialist", "Marxist", "snowflake", "antisemite", etc.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:10 pm
by Peter Brown
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm
Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

... Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

... You doubt that for a second?
Yeah, sorta like right wingers here calling anyone who dares to disagree with them "commie", "socialist", "Marxist", "snowflake", "antisemite", etc.


Just searching for ‘commie’, there was one post from June of 2020 in a humorous way by cradleandshoot. About a year ago.

If you compare that to the near-hourly usage of ‘racist’, I feel like you’re not exactly arguing apples and apples.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:16 pm
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm
Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

... Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

... You doubt that for a second?
Yeah, sorta like right wingers here calling anyone who dares to disagree with them "commie", "socialist", "Marxist", "snowflake", "antisemite", etc.


Just searching for ‘commie’, there was one post from June of 2020 in a humorous way by cradleandshoot. About a year ago.

If you compare that to the near-hourly usage of ‘racist’, I feel like you’re not exactly arguing apples and apples.
:lol: :roll:

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:20 pm
by jhu72
lunch break in court

seems like the store clerk has turned out to be a bad witness for the defense.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:34 pm
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:16 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm
Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

... Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

... You doubt that for a second?
Yeah, sorta like right wingers here calling anyone who dares to disagree with them "commie", "socialist", "Marxist", "snowflake", "antisemite", etc.


Just searching for ‘commie’, there was one post from June of 2020 in a humorous way by cradleandshoot. About a year ago.

If you compare that to the near-hourly usage of ‘racist’, I feel like you’re not exactly arguing apples and apples.
:lol: :roll:
probably more racists in America than commies

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:34 pm
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:34 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:16 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:10 pm
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:42 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:02 pm
Does this website count?

I can’t think of a single nuanced moderate Democrat here. The D posters are on a constant arc of racism. It’s the new McCarthy tactic. If you disagree with someone, call them a racist or nazi. Which of course cheapens terms.

... Everyone is a racist until proven otherwise.

... You doubt that for a second?
Yeah, sorta like right wingers here calling anyone who dares to disagree with them "commie", "socialist", "Marxist", "snowflake", "antisemite", etc.


Just searching for ‘commie’, there was one post from June of 2020 in a humorous way by cradleandshoot. About a year ago.

If you compare that to the near-hourly usage of ‘racist’, I feel like you’re not exactly arguing apples and apples.
:lol: :roll:
probably more racists in America than commies


Everyone is racist now, MD (except you and the bubble members). You can also call everyone a Nazi but that insult didn’t catch on too well, I suppose.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:45 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Reductive and lacking any intellectual qualities.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:06 pm
by Brooklyn
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:34 pm

Everyone is racist now, MD (except you and the bubble members). You can also call everyone a Nazi but that insult didn’t catch on too well, I suppose.

Petey's on a roll today .... :lol:

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:11 pm
by Brooklyn
https://projects.newsday.com/long-islan ... i-relateds


CAMERAS AND CONSEQUENCES
Four video case histories reveal evidence of unwarranted actions and unjustified force by Long Island police officers, as well as how the public paid millions in compensation for injuries and loss of liberty.

As documented by Newsday, the videos show the role civilian recordings have played in transparency and accountability on police forces that have not been widely equipped with body cameras.

CIVILIAN VIDEOS VS. THE POLICE ACCOUNTS


CIVILIAN VIDEOS CONTRADICTED POLICE ACCOUNTS
By Paul LaRocco and Sandra Peddie
The 34-year-old Black man cursed the cops and violently swung his arms when they tried to handcuff him.

The 71-year-old white Air Force veteran shoved a rookie officer down his porch stairs.

The Latino landscape worker blocked emergency responders from aiding a friend who had suffered a head wound in a bar fight.

The retired Suffolk police lieutenant assaulted a Nassau sergeant with his pickup and fled the scene, prompting a bulletin that branded him wanted, armed and driving a stolen truck.

Police officers in Nassau County filed those four accounts to support making arrests in four different cases over the last seven years. In two of the cases, they swore to descriptions of events that justified using force that caused the men permanent injuries.

But videos recorded by private security cameras and cellphones captured contradicting realities or helped challenge the official accounts. Prosecutors and a judge dismissed the charges against three of the men. A judge convicted the fourth, the retired lieutenant, of reduced counts — after he’d been pulled over at gunpoint on the basis of a falsely issued alarm.

As political and police leaders wrestle with whether to equip Long Island’s major police forces with body cameras, a Newsday investigation of the four cases spotlighted the role civilian videos have played in securing justice absent the sights and sounds of body-worn recorders.

Based on the judgments of independent criminal justice experts, the findings include evidence that officers jailed citizens without cause and used unjustified force while exposing taxpayers to lawsuit liabilities totaling more than $4.6 million so far.

Forty-seven of America’s 50 largest police forces have adopted widespread use of body cameras. The Nassau and Suffolk county police departments are two of the three exceptions, a Newsday survey found — though that may soon change.

Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone in early March called for equipping large numbers of officers with cameras after one of the few devices worn on the force captured officers kicking a handcuffed alleged car thief. Two officers were suspended; three were placed on modified duty. Bellone has since included body cameras in the county’s police reform plan.

In a police reform plan approved by lawmakers Monday, Nassau County Executive Laura Curran also endorsed widespread body camera use.

EXPERTS’ REVIEW
Criminal justice experts, including former top prosecutors, police chiefs and special unit commanders, reviewed the civilian video recordings and the arrest reports in each of the four cases spotlighted by Newsday. They are:

Fred Kelin
Fred Klein, a former chief prosecutor in the Nassau District Attorney’s Office and currently a Hofstra University Law professor

Fred Kelin
Brandon del Pozo, a former New York City Police Department deputy inspector and Burlington, Vermont, police chief who has done advanced studies in policing and public policy

Fred Kelin
Jim Bueermann, a former police chief in Redlands, California, and former president of the National Police Foundation, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit aimed at advancing technology in policing

Fred Kelin
Ayanna Sorett, a fellow at Columbia University’s Center for Justice who served for 15 years as an assistant Manhattan district attorney, including experience prosecuting homicides, gangs and gun trafficking

Fred Kelin
Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD detective sergeant who held posts including leader of homicide and cold case squads and teaches at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice

Fred Kelin
Joseph Pollini, a John Jay professor of police practice who was a 33-year veteran of the NYPD, commanding a major case squad, robbery squad and a cold case homicide squad.

Fred Kelin
Bennett Capers, who worked for 10 years in the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s Office, teaches criminal law at Fordham University Law School and directs Fordham’s Center on Race, Law and Justice. He also served on New York City’s Civilian Complaint Review Board.

Citing differences between the official accounts and the video images, some of the experts questioned why the officers in three cases had not been investigated for, or charged with, criminal conduct.

While declining to discuss specific cases, Nassau district attorney spokesman Brendan Brosh responded in an emailed statement that the office “aggressively prosecutes police officers when charges are supported by the facts.”

It’s almost unjustifiable that there wasn’t probable cause to bring some charges here against the police.

Fred Klein
Former chief prosecutor in the Nassau District Attorney’s Office
“It’s almost unjustifiable that there wasn’t probable cause to bring some charges here against the police,” said Klein, referring to the 2014 arrest of Bobby Hayes outside a Uniondale barbershop.

Hayes is the man who was accused of violently swinging his arms to resist arrest. He spent a week in jail, shackled for 23 hours a day, before a cellphone video showed him calmly complying with plainclothes Nassau police Officers Peter Ellison and Carl Arena, who had handcuffed him after he declined to give his name. The recording prompted the Nassau District Attorney’s Office to dismiss Hayes’ case.

A home security camera recording led the district attorney to similarly dismiss resisting arrest and assault charges lodged in 2017 against Robert Besedin, the 71-year-old veteran who had been accused of pushing 24-year-old Nassau police Officer Dominick Mantovani off his porch.

The video showed that Mantovani put his arm around Besedin’s neck and threw him off the porch and onto his head. Besedin’s lawyer, Frederick Brewington, said that the impact caused brain damage and that he pressed prosecutors to charge Mantovani and his partner, Officer Stephen Beckwith, with filing a false felony complaint. Prosecutors declined.

Abel Alvarenga Vasquez is the landscaper whose friend suffered a head gash in a fight at the end of a night of heavy drinking. Hempstead Village police slammed Alvarenga against a parked car after he started recording the scene outside the bar with his cellphone. The blow perforated his small intestine.

After a trial, a judge concluded that videos proved Alvarenga could not have hampered first responders because he was handcuffed in a police car when they arrived outside the bar in an ambulance. The judge found Alvarenga not guilty of disorderly conduct. As compensation, Hempstead Village agreed to a $4.5 million settlement last May.

DISCIPLINE UNKNOWN
To determine whether any of the officers faced departmental discipline, Newsday sought access to their internal affairs records under the Freedom of Information Law. Despite last year’s repeal of a statute, known as 50-a, that blocked release of almost any law enforcement personnel information, the Nassau Police Department denied Newsday’s requests or provided documents that were almost totally blacked out.

The blacked-out papers revealed nothing about the officers’ histories of civilian complaints or internal affairs investigations. In some instances, the records provided sparse summaries of departmental violations that included no specifics about any incidents and no indications of whether the department had meted out discipline. Newsday last month sued Nassau police over its withholding of the information. County officials have yet to formally respond to the suit.

Officers involved in two of the four cases examined by Newsday have left their forces.

William Falk, who arrested Alvarenga, retired from the Hempstead police force during a period in which he himself was arrested five times in Nassau and Suffolk counties. He was charged with violating an order of protection that his wife had secured during a divorce. He collects an $84,726-a-year pension.

Arena, one of the officers who arrested Hayes, left Nassau police in late 2015, after about 30 years on the job, with a pension of nearly $150,000 a year.

Newsday’s investigation also showed the limitations of surveillance and cellphone videos. Taken from angles and distances that can often be random, they’re not as immediate as body cameras. And unlike the equipment worn by officers, they don’t always capture audio.

In the case of William Hasper, the retired Suffolk police lieutenant, a security camera across a street captured the events in black and white and without sound. Newsday narrowed the camera’s field of view to focus on the two men. The recording shows their movements, but it is not distinct enough to show details.

Nassau police Sgt. William S. Russell reported that Hasper had repeatedly bumped him with Hasper’s pickup during a parking dispute. Russell’s account led police to issue an alarm that named Hasper as wanted for assaulting an officer and described him as potentially armed and dangerous. The bulletin also identified Hasper as driving a stolen truck even though he owned the Sierra.

Hasper and his lawyer each spoke with detectives within hours after the parking lot incident. He appeared for arrest and surrendered his gun. Still, the Nassau PD left the wanted alarm in effect for two months. Cops stopped him twice on the road, once pulling him over with guns drawn.

“My number one fear with this young officer with his gun, with these guns at my head, is that all it would have taken was for him to get nervous, to trip, and I would’ve taken a round or two center mass right in the middle of my cerebellum,” Hasper recalled in an interview.

‘EVERYBODY BEHAVES BETTER’
Body cameras may have more definitively proved or disproved misconduct in any of these cases. In fact, many experts say the devices are more likely, in general, to exonerate officers.

“There’s cameras everywhere else in the world. People have an incentive right now to capture their own footage on their own porch, in their own store, with their own phone on the street,” said del Pozo. “And they will share it … and they will draw their conclusions before the police department ever gets to see that footage.”

Bueermann called the research around body cameras “pretty extensive now.”

We know that the use of body cameras will reduce complaints against officers and assaults on officers and the use of force by police officers.

Jim Bueermann
Former police chief in Redlands, Calif.
“We know that the use of body cameras will reduce complaints against officers and assaults on officers and the use of force by police officers,” he said. “We also know that the use of cameras has what’s called a civilizing effect, which simply means that everybody behaves better when they know that they’re on camera and that somebody in a position of authority is going to review that footage.”

The four cases reviewed by Newsday are linked by more than video. In all of them, the officers described their suspects as cursing, waving their arms or “flailing.”

Hayes was accused of disorderly conduct for what police said was a profane tirade and refusing to provide his last name. He was charged with resisting arrest for “swing[ing] his arms and upper body.”

Besedin was said to have slapped at one of the officer’s hands and to have “violently” flailed his arms.

Hasper allegedly screamed and waved his arms at the sergeant during the road rage incident that escalated into the assault charge.

Alvarenga was described as being belligerent and flailing his arms in the moments before an officer slammed him against a parked car with enough force to perforate his small intestine.

Sorett said that overwhelmingly the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office does not prosecute defendants for a single charge of disorderly conduct because, “That’s seen as pretext” for making an arrest when an officer is angry.

She said that police often use a term like “flailing” as “a catchphrase.”

“Like that’s standard police speak and police jargon,” Sorett said. “And if you go and review any criminal complaint that charges disorderly conduct along with resisting arrest, you’ll find that exact term in all of them. It’s sort of, like, standard boilerplate speak for these types of charges.”

Discussing the disorderly conduct charge leveled by police against Alvarenga, Sorett said she saw no evidence that he had broken the law.

“He was simply annoying them,” she said, referring to the police. “There was no reason to issue a summons in the first place. On its face, he didn’t violate the law.”









more at link .....




Petey and his like "minded" types believe cops can do no wrong. But the facts show otherwise with taxpayers forking over MILLIONS in order to compensate innocent victims of police crimes. Of course, there is a simple solution to all this ~ end qualified immunity, make the cops pay for their crimes, and put security cameras into place so that their crimes will all be prevented. Too bad we cannot have that here in Lake Wobegone thanks to the RePUKEblicans in the state legislature. Then when taxes increase to pay for the police crimes, the pukies blame the Democrats.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm
by Peter Brown
I won’t quote that rather long post, but let me say a few things.

1). I would advise anyone that the abuse problems Democrats are so animated about aren’t restricted to just “cops”. Think: prosecutors, judges, prison guards, parole officers....literally anyone entrusted with the liberty of another human. Newsflash: Humans are fallible and power is often abused.

2. In a pool of thousands in any segment of activity, there will always be exceptions. Most cops are honest and good. Some aren’t.

3. Very few Democrats understand in most of the cases they work themselves up about (with the media’s encouraging carnival), the truth is rarely what Democrats apparently want; when the truth comes out, it serves to merely enrage you rather than cause you to pause and reflect that it’s you who is now the lunatic (by coming on websites and slamming all cops, even though most would save your life if it came down to it; would you return the favor?).

4. Most cops have enough familiarity with the job to recognize danger. Most of your media-selected heroes on the wrong end of supposed police abuse are in fact dangers to society.

5. Derek Chauvin, specifically, did not need to knee Floyd for as long as he did. In the heat of the moment, you don’t know what’s going on, and we don’t know what was in this particular cop’s head, nor what he was staring at as long as he did. The jury might find out; you likely won’t.

6. Let the trial play out and respect the outcome, regardless which way the jury rules. Democrats are unable to do this anymore. I don’t know one Democrat who will quietly respect a jury which exonerates Chauvin. Do you? Will you be okay if online Democrats doxx the jurors and reveal their addresses and places of work?

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:31 pm
by njbill
It was interesting to me that the police never looked at the counterfeit $20 bill before they arrested Floyd. The manager of the store looked like he was trying to show it to them, but they didn’t look at it.

So the cops took the word of the store manager that the bill was counterfeit. Maybe the store manager knew that, maybe he didn’t. The cops didn’t ask him why he thought the bill was fake, or what expertise he had to make that determination.

From the photos, I sure as heck can’t tell the bill was counterfeit.

When they get to Floyd, the cops tell him he has used a counterfeit bill, as though that is an established fact. They don’t ask his version of events, his side of the story.

One would hope that the cops would at least look at the bill and form at least a tentative conclusion (if they were trained in counterfeit bills) that the bill looked fake before they go arresting someone.

Stay tuned for the Peter Brown counter programming on this.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:52 pm
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm 5. Derek Chauvin, specifically, did not need to knee Floyd for as long as he did. In the heat of the moment, you don’t know what’s going on, and we don’t know what was in this particular cop’s head, nor what he was staring at as long as he did. The jury might find out; you likely won’t.
I agree with your first sentence. That’s why he is on trial for murder.

Don’t know if you are watching the trial or not, but by now we have a very good idea of what was going on. We have seen body cam videos from three or four cops. We have seen cell phone videos from a half a dozen eye witnesses. We have seen security footage from at least two businesses. We have seen the police security footage. Many of these videos have audio.

So we have all of the surrounding evidence relevant to what was going on around the officer. Only he, I suppose, knows what was in his head. Will he take the stand? We don’t know yet. He, and only he, can tell the jury what was in his head. He may need to testify in order to get off. Even then, he may not. We don’t know what other gremlins there may be in his past that would make it inadvisable for him to get on the stand.

We will see and hear everything the jury sees and hears.

Trials ebb and flow. Some days are good for your side, some days are bad. This was a very bad day for the defendant. Today we watched Floyd literally die in front of our eyes from multiple close up police body cam videos, while he is clearly in distress, and while bystanders, one of whom is an EMT, are screaming for the cops to let him up.

All the while, the cop is blithely pressing his knee into Floyd’s neck. He was right on top of him. Floyd had been squirming and hollering for several minutes. Then he stopped. We saw that. Obviously the officer knew it better than anybody else because he was right on top of the man and felt him stop moving and breathing.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:14 pm
by Peter Brown
njbill wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm 5. Derek Chauvin, specifically, did not need to knee Floyd for as long as he did. In the heat of the moment, you don’t know what’s going on, and we don’t know what was in this particular cop’s head, nor what he was staring at as long as he did. The jury might find out; you likely won’t.
I agree with your first sentence. That’s why he is on trial for murder.

Don’t know if you are watching the trial or not, but by now we have a very good idea of what was going on. We have seen body cam videos from three or four cops. We have seen cell phone videos from a half a dozen eye witnesses. We have seen security footage from at least two businesses. We have seen the police security footage. Many of these videos have audio.

So we have all of the surrounding evidence relevant to what was going on around the officer. Only he, I suppose, knows what was in his head. Will he take the stand? We don’t know yet. He, and only he, can tell the jury what was in his head. He may need to testify in order to get off. Even then, he may not. We don’t know what other gremlins there may be in his past that would make it inadvisable for him to get on the stand.

We will see and hear everything the jury sees and hears.

Trials ebb and flow. Some days are good for your side, some days are bad. This was a very bad day for the defendant. Today we watched Floyd literally die in front of our eyes from multiple close up police body cam videos, while he is clearly in distress, and while bystanders, one of whom is an EMT, are screaming for the cops to let him up.

All the while, the cop is blithely pressing his knee into Floyd’s neck. He was right on top of him. Floyd had been squirming and hollering for several minutes. Then he stopped. We saw that. Obviously the officer knew it better than anybody else because he was right on top of the man and felt him stop moving and breathing.


Of course I’m not watching the trial; I hardly care what the outcome is.

I do care how people react to the outcome. I also care that the media is again inflaming tensions, working their Democratic lemming watchers to prepare to bellyache (and worse) if Chauvin is exonerated.

I respect the outcome no matter what. Do you?

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:23 pm
by jhu72
njbill wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm 5. Derek Chauvin, specifically, did not need to knee Floyd for as long as he did. In the heat of the moment, you don’t know what’s going on, and we don’t know what was in this particular cop’s head, nor what he was staring at as long as he did. The jury might find out; you likely won’t.
I agree with your first sentence. That’s why he is on trial for murder.

Don’t know if you are watching the trial or not, but by now we have a very good idea of what was going on. We have seen body cam videos from three or four cops. We have seen cell phone videos from a half a dozen eye witnesses. We have seen security footage from at least two businesses. We have seen the police security footage. Many of these videos have audio.

So we have all of the surrounding evidence relevant to what was going on around the officer. Only he, I suppose, knows what was in his head. Will he take the stand? We don’t know yet. He, and only he, can tell the jury what was in his head. He may need to testify in order to get off. Even then, he may not. We don’t know what other gremlins there may be in his past that would make it inadvisable for him to get on the stand.

We will see and hear everything the jury sees and hears.

Trials ebb and flow. Some days are good for your side, some days are bad. This was a very bad day for the defendant. Today we watched Floyd literally die in front of our eyes from multiple close up police body cam videos, while he is clearly in distress, and while bystanders, one of whom is an EMT, are screaming for the cops to let him up.

All the while, the cop is blithely pressing his knee into Floyd’s neck. He was right on top of him. Floyd had been squirming and hollering for several minutes. Then he stopped. We saw that. Obviously the officer knew it better than anybody else because he was right on top of the man and felt him stop moving and breathing.
I don't think the defendant has had a single good half-hour let alone day this week. The reaction of the jury to this point I don't think is good for the defense, with people getting sick, calling for breaks etc. The four COPs show no emotion, while everyone who witnessed it is showing remorse / guilt feeling like they should have done more to save Floyd. Frankly I don't see much difference between Chauvin and the other 3. They are all culpable.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:43 pm
by Peter Brown
Sounds like JHU72 won’t respect the outcome ‘no matter how it’s decided’.

Color me not shocked.

Re: Race in America - Riots Explode in Minneapolis

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:52 pm
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:52 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:23 pm 5. Derek Chauvin, specifically, did not need to knee Floyd for as long as he did. In the heat of the moment, you don’t know what’s going on, and we don’t know what was in this particular cop’s head, nor what he was staring at as long as he did. The jury might find out; you likely won’t.
I agree with your first sentence. That’s why he is on trial for murder.

Don’t know if you are watching the trial or not, but by now we have a very good idea of what was going on. We have seen body cam videos from three or four cops. We have seen cell phone videos from a half a dozen eye witnesses. We have seen security footage from at least two businesses. We have seen the police security footage. Many of these videos have audio.

So we have all of the surrounding evidence relevant to what was going on around the officer. Only he, I suppose, knows what was in his head. Will he take the stand? We don’t know yet. He, and only he, can tell the jury what was in his head. He may need to testify in order to get off. Even then, he may not. We don’t know what other gremlins there may be in his past that would make it inadvisable for him to get on the stand.

We will see and hear everything the jury sees and hears.

Trials ebb and flow. Some days are good for your side, some days are bad. This was a very bad day for the defendant. Today we watched Floyd literally die in front of our eyes from multiple close up police body cam videos, while he is clearly in distress, and while bystanders, one of whom is an EMT, are screaming for the cops to let him up.

All the while, the cop is blithely pressing his knee into Floyd’s neck. He was right on top of him. Floyd had been squirming and hollering for several minutes. Then he stopped. We saw that. Obviously the officer knew it better than anybody else because he was right on top of the man and felt him stop moving and breathing.


Of course I’m not watching the trial; I hardly care what the outcome is.

I do care how people react to the outcome. I also care that the media is again inflaming tensions, working their Democratic lemming watchers to prepare to bellyache (and worse) if Chauvin is exonerated.

I respect the outcome no matter what. Do you?
I don’t know what the outcome will be. Do you? I’ll let you know after the verdict is in.

Did you respect the outcome of OJ’s trial?