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tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:49 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:42 am

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:37 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:59 am

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:34 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:34 am Portland mayor pledges to divert millions from police bureau, ban chokeholds in city reforms - Jun 09, 2020


Mayor Ted Wheeler seeks $2 million to bring back uniformed police team to address spike in shootings - Posted Mar 11, 2021

Well...that didn't take long. Seen in Minneapolis, and now in Portland, I believe in police work, they call this a clue.

IMO they should stick to their original plan. They need to keep the police defunded and let the FLP braintrust of that community figure out the nuts and bolts of kinder and gentler policing. Someday they might even come to the realization that the criminals are laughing in their face at their abject stupidity. The criminals don't give an eff about what the police force looks like or thinks. Their job is to stay out of jail and stay on the streets. Mission accomplished on their part.

Wheeler should just deputize all the Antifa people. These poor souls need a purpose in life. Maybe that would do it?

Is there any evidence that that standard policing is reducing shootings? Nationwide, homicides are up roughly 36%. What police department has it under control?

There is not much the police can do until the bullet has left the barrel. There use to be this thing called pro-active policing. That was not very popular with some more progressive people. So your left with reactive policing. You then get what you have today.

And, if ardilla's stat is accurate (just what cities are we talking? "nationwide" very general), hasn't the reactive rather than proactive emboldened criminals?

The answer to your question is yes it has emboldened criminals. When I drive into the city of Rochester today there is an ever blossoming number of monuments on street corners remembering the young lives shot dead on those street corners. What makes it even sadder is fewer and fewer of these murders are ever solved. Actually they are but that involves street justice. That is where retribution for X shooting Y is paid back by Z. I guess it is simpler and more streamlined to handle these matters " in house" so to speak.

Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

I understand your point 100%. I think the people involved in these instances prefer to seek retribution in their own way. Given the faults and all of the shortcomings of our police and the legal system I don't blame them for seeking out their own system of justice. It is not right to resort to vigilante justice, but this is becoming more of a reality all of the time. When you can't trust the police, take matters into your own hands. One thing for certain, nobody is going to tell the cops anything.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

I understand your point 100%. I think the people involved in these instances prefer to seek retribution in their own way. Given the faults and all of the shortcomings of our police and the legal system I don't blame them for seeking out their own system of justice. It is not right to resort to vigilante justice, but this is becoming more of a reality all of the time. When you can't trust the police, take matters into your own hands. One thing for certain, nobody is going to tell the cops anything.

I've mentioned this before. Ask any prosecutor what is the hardest thing to do in these instances...street cred is far more important than cleaning up the street;, it's a life or death decision for you and your family.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

And that’s the police versus criminals.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:57 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

And that’s the police versus criminals.

I personally don’t even think that it should be a parity condition. Seems like this piece of the debate is often entrenched in the position but I’m of the belief that anyone who is provided extralegal authority and general conditions of behavior in the name of community safety, among other types of governmental power, should be held to a meaningfully higher standard than a citizen.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:03 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:57 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

And that’s the police versus criminals.

I personally don’t even think that it should be a parity condition. Seems like this piece of the debate is often entrenched in the position but I’m of the belief that anyone who is provided extralegal authority and general conditions of behavior in the name of community safety, among other types of governmental power, should be held to a meaningfully higher standard than a citizen.

Yep. Doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable ask.

Man who spent years in prison sues over withheld evidence

https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_n ... 74cbf.html




Donald Outlaw had already spent 15 years in prison for murder when he found out the man he was convicted of killing had told police with his dying breath that someone else named "Shank" had shot him.

Outlaw filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday against the city of Philadelphia and the two detectives who investigated the killing of Jamal Kelly in 2000. The lawsuit is just the latest example of justice now being sought over faulty or crooked police investigations and prosecutions in the city from decades before.

Outlaw's attorneys allege the city and its police department turned a blind eye to unconstitutional practices by homicide detectives — withholding evidence that indicated someone else's guilt and intimidating and paying witnesses to provide false statements — that hampered Outlaw's ability to get a fair trial and violated his civil and constitutional rights.

"Mr. Outlaw's wrongful incarceration was the direct result of egregious misconduct by Defendants," his attorneys wrote in the lawsuit filed in the U.S. Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

"Defendants improperly used their power and position to coerce witnesses into making false statements and identifications, and to offer sworn testimony that they knew to be false," the attorneys wrote. "Defendants also withheld exculpatory evidence that would have demonstrated Mr. Outlaw's innocence and deliberately disregarded information and evidence that would have demonstrated flaws in the case against him."

At Outlaw's trial in 2004 — four years after Kelly was killed — the victim's dying declaration that "Shank" did it was never disclosed. Statements from four witnesses who had recanted or said they signed but never read the officers' written statement were still read to jurors, with prosecutors claiming Outlaw had intimidated them out of testifying, Outlaw's attorneys said.

In addition to the city, the lawsuit names the two detectives, Jeffrey Piree and Howard Peterman. Outlaw's attorneys say Piree investigated the cases of three other men exonerated in recent years by the conviction integrity unit of the Philadelphia prosecutor's office.

A city spokesperson said city officials had not seen the lawsuit and could not comment, but confirmed that both detectives were "not current city employees." A phone call to a listing for Piree went unanswered, and a message left at a listing for Peterman was not immediately returned Wednesday.

Twenty-one people have been exonerated in Philadelphia since the end of 2016, 18 of whom were released after investigations by the conviction integrity unit since 2018, when District Attorney Larry Krasner took office.

Several other exonerated men have filed claims of withheld exculpatory evidence, coercion of witnesses and intimidation that led to false statements.

After years of appeals, Outlaw's attorneys with the Pennsylvania Innocence Project persuaded the court to open a file that included the dying declaration and a letter from a witness saying he had hoped to be released from incarceration in exchange for his testimony.

Outlaw's wife, Monique Solomon-Outlaw, also posted fliers asking anyone with information to come forward. That was more than 15 years after the shooting, but a witness did come forward saying she saw someone else fire the fatal shots.

That new witness testified in 2019 with another witness from the first trial, who recanted his testimony and described how detectives had helped him concoct the story against Outlaw. A judge freed him on bail.

At first, prosecutors planned to retry Outlaw. But other prosecutors in the integrity unit decided there was not enough evidence, and the case was dropped.

Outlaw, who declined to be interviewed about the lawsuit, has been working with the Philadelphia Anti-Drug/Anti-Violence Network, said his attorney Josh Van Naarden, a founding partner at VSCP Law.

The lawsuit seeks compensation for the time spent in jail — the missed chance at educational, personal and life experiences. Pennsylvania is one of about 15 states that don't have formalized compensation programs for people exonerated and freed from prison.

Philadelphia has also seen more civil lawsuits over wrongful incarceration. At the end of last year, the city had paid out more than $35 million over three years, including a $9.8 million settlement with a man freed after spending more than three decades behind bars for a murder he did not commit.









Once again, police criminals control the corrupt system which persecutes innocent blacks and other minorities in their continued holocaust of innocents.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:45 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

I understand your point 100%. I think the people involved in these instances prefer to seek retribution in their own way. Given the faults and all of the shortcomings of our police and the legal system I don't blame them for seeking out their own system of justice. It is not right to resort to vigilante justice, but this is becoming more of a reality all of the time. When you can't trust the police, take matters into your own hands. One thing for certain, nobody is going to tell the cops anything.

I've mentioned this before. Ask any prosecutor what is the hardest thing to do in these instances...street cred is far more important than cleaning up the street;, it's a life or death decision for you and your family.

Cleaning up the street in this context is too abstract a ben amorphous. Can you be a little more specific?

What do folks in Gramercy Park, Chevy Chase and Buckhead do when their streets aren’t “clean”? Do they always proactively effect change? Do they over use the police and waste resources and mis optimize or under leverage that resource? Do they run away to another neighborhood/town (using Chevy Chase as an extension of DC since I spent most my time down Conn ave at 5100 Conn maybe 15 blocks from border but replace w GTown or Glover Park if you like).

I think you’re putting a burden on these communities that isn’t universally applied as a standard expectation of a citizen. We all think we are brave but if you haven’t had a gun in your face or the threat of lethal immediate harm for communicating let’s rein in the action hero narrative about what we would do in these situation.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:17 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:45 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:41 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:15 pm Are we talking about citizens or the police when we are talking about "street justice" and handling things "in house"????

Citizens of course. Why do you think they won't give any information to the police? It may take a few weeks, a few months or even a few years. The scores will be settled all in due time. Last summer of 2020 there was a house party in downtown Rochester that broke out into gunfire after a dispute between some of the kids at the party. 2 kids 18 and 19 shot dead, 16 other kids hit by gunfire. Everybody there knows who did the shooting. Everybody that was there told the police jack chit. Everybody that was there knows that the situation will be handled "in house" when the time is right. This is not an unusual concept FFG, it happens all of the time. I don't agree with it, but that is the cold hard reality.

I don't like giving any information to the police either unless it seems appropriate to do so, not because it's demanded of me by someone in a uniform.

I know what you are saying, but you do see my point if you think about the Blue Wall and how poor behavior and criminality has been handled by the police with respect to their own don't you? It sure appears to be very similar behavior to me....

I understand your point 100%. I think the people involved in these instances prefer to seek retribution in their own way. Given the faults and all of the shortcomings of our police and the legal system I don't blame them for seeking out their own system of justice. It is not right to resort to vigilante justice, but this is becoming more of a reality all of the time. When you can't trust the police, take matters into your own hands. One thing for certain, nobody is going to tell the cops anything.

I've mentioned this before. Ask any prosecutor what is the hardest thing to do in these instances...street cred is far more important than cleaning up the street;, it's a life or death decision for you and your family.

Cleaning up the street in this context is too abstract a ben amorphous. Can you be a little more specific?

What do folks in Gramercy Park, Chevy Chase and Buckhead do when their streets aren’t “clean”? Do they always proactively effect change? Do they over use the police and waste resources and mis optimize or under leverage that resource? Do they run away to another neighborhood/town (using Chevy Chase as an extension of DC since I spent most my time down Conn ave at 5100 Conn maybe 15 blocks from border but replace w GTown or Glover Park if you like).

I think you’re putting a burden on these communities that isn’t universally applied as a standard expectation of a citizen. We all think we are brave but if you haven’t had a gun in your face or the threat of lethal immediate harm for communicating let’s rein in the action hero narrative about what we would do in these situation.

The flip side of the coin. The young man is lying dead in the street . He was shot in the head and was dead before he hit the ground. The cops show up and ask the 20 people who witnessed the shooting what they saw. Miracle of miracles ever single person was looking the other way when the shots rang out. So the cops do their thing. Nobody at the scene of the murder saw a damn effing thing. They put the toe tag on the corpse, the FD washes the blood off the street , the reset button is pushed and the next future victim claims his grubstake on the corner. The admirable thing to be gleaned from this murder is that nobody saw jackchit and nobody snitched. Everybody saw what happened and who did the shooting. Justice will come some other day on some other street corner when the perp gets his comeuppance. Maybe street court does work better than the legal system does? The big difference is nobody reads you your rights before you are judged and sentenced to death.

Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be that 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be that 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:28 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:49 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:28 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people I am referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit. So what do you want newly minted law enforcement to carry out with them on the street?
maybe rubber bands and paper clips and silly string would be more appropriate? Very few of us, myself included, are not happy with how law enforcement officers function in today's society. When you ask people what would you suggest the police do? Blank looks and glazed over eyeballs is what you will get. Not a one of us knows what the proper procedure should be to properly restrain a 6 foot 200 pound guy who is jacked up on PCB. That person has the strength of 5 grown men, and that person is extremely violent and incapable of understanding or responding to verbal commands. That same person has already bitten your arm, tried to gauge your eyes out and attempted to grab your weapon. That is the time for the cop to step aside and let the zit covered 23 year old from the mental health response team to take over the situation. How does the mental health team member handle a jacked up dude on PCP who probably does not know what planet he is even on? I'm just axing for input from the FLP experts on this forum. Enlighten us all how you would deal with the situation?

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:15 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:49 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:28 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:27 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:58 pm Nobody is saying people shouldn’t talk simply walk a mile in their shoes. And it goes back to the lost confidence in our system of authority Bradley un due to abuses and cover ups. This is yet another reason why one side with codified power has to be held to a higher standard. If the community believed JUSTICE, not just administrative and codified punishment, is probably they’d more freely talk. If they don’t have faith in that system and believe more strongly that the folks on the street are more likely to deliver on what they are selling then you’d probably keep quiet too.

I was a very young and dumb long haired 14 year old when the police beat the living chit out of me for using the "magic word" to define what we all thought of the police. This contempt for the police and authority is not something new. As a teenager we did not trust the cops and decades of people before myself never trusted the police and for good reason. If you can define how decades and decades of mistrust in the police changes in a few months, I would love to hear how that happens. Your gonna think what I am about to say may be juvenile or stupid. My wife enjoyed watching all those old re runs of COPS. What stood out to me was what a bunch of ass holes those street cops always were. They arrest some poor schmuck because they find a bag of weed in the car and they act like they just apprehended John Dillinger. I don't know if the base mentality of most police will ever change. There will always be th noat 10 percent of cops that are on an ego trip.

Just 10%?

Okay, 11 percent then.

Given that the estimated rate of sociopathy n the general population is 5%, and I would argue that your estimate is very light.

Main real problem is most police officers start young and then finish just when they might be developing some judgment and wisdom. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: giving young men and women guns and a “license” to use them is a really stupid idea.

The problem is crusty, the people you are referring to don't legally own firearms. I believe the term used is unlicensed owners of unregistered firearms. They sorta circumvent that system where law abiding citizens apply for that thing called a pistol permit.

Crusty? Let’s try and elevate our discourse, shall we?

I “quoted” license to reference the deference law enforcement receives when using deadly force.

In her sermon in Atlanta, the VP ignored the long standing enmity & suspicion between African Americans & Korean Americans in the neighborhoods which they share. Despite all the happy talk about recent solidarity between these minority communities, videos of recent unprovoked attacks on Asian senior citizens indicate that tensions persist. This existed long before the China virus or Kung Flu. This VP is uniquely qualified to address this issue. In their tv appearances, influencers like Eugene Robinson & Al Sharpton act as if LA in '92 never happened & ignore what's still happening in NYC & the Bay area.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... e-n1257157