Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:27 pm
Florida is doing their part. Love the spin.
Same Party, Different House
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I agree. Just look at South Korea. They implemented a massive testing, contact tracing, and isolation program within a few weeks of their first confirmed case. South Korea, while employing social distancing and other mitigation measures, has never had to shut down their economy to the extent we have.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:19 pmIn reality we are already at about 100K when you add in the missed deaths attributable to CV-19. But no doubt we will get much closer in the official count (without that adjustment) by midsummer.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:02 pmTLD’s estimate is better than Trump’s (just think about that for a second). We’re headed for over 100,000 confirmed coronavirus deaths by this summer. Trump today called his team’s performance, “Spectacular.” Not sure the families of those 100,000+ dead will agree.ggait wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:43 pmRecall that Fauci/Birks were saying 100-240k WITH perfect social distancing.
UW today says 59-114k range, with a baseline projection of 72k.
If you include UW's range (which folks have tended to overlook) UW has been more accurate than anyone else. At least so far.
Ominously, the death toll from New York has been cut by more than half, and we still hit 2,000+ deaths for three consecutive days. Deaths from other states are easily making up for the lowered mortality in New York. Not good.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
There is no way any state should be opening things up tomorrow. It’s too early and we still don’t have a comprehensive testing and contact tracing program in place.
Trump’s failed response to the pandemic will almost certainly be remembered as the greatest failure of presidential leadership since the years leading up to the Civil War. Those who continue to support this president share in the moral culpability for his failures.
DocBarrister
And prompt and coordinated action by the President and his administration could easily kept the death toll in that same window to under 10K. Pandemic Don to the non-rescue...
my issue is that donald trump only hears the one number. not the range. he thinks it's over already, i swear he does. he also thinks he's in charge of the fast track vaccine, but that's another matter.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:55 pmYep. I don’t have a problem with UW’s model. It’s the nature of modeling and this is a novel virus. Reasonableness is all you can ask for.ggait wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:43 pmRecall that Fauci/Birks were saying 100-240k WITH perfect social distancing.
UW today says 59-114k range, with a baseline projection of 72k.
If you include UW's range (which folks have tended to overlook) UW has been more accurate than anyone else. At least so far.
https://twitter.com/boulware_dr/status/ ... 1527700481ggait wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:12 pmThere's lots of current HCQ trials going on.i don't know what soon means, but with the numbers we're experiencing here and abroad it'd be nice if we see tons of rigorous traditional trials from any number of drugs within weeks. there have been enough that have worked in vitro that hopefully something sticks.
Among the earliest to start were UMinn (started March 17) and UPenn (started April 3). Data has got to be very close to available.
https://med.umn.edu/news-events/covid-1 ... -minnesota
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news- ... nt-covid19
True only in those states in which Governors are strong enough to resist certain types of politics.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:51 pm I am focused on the daily deaths more than anything. The number of deaths and hospitalizations. Those two numbers decrease by a meaningful amount, we can lighten up. If they hold steady or go up, I don’t expect much change. The public health officials in each state and the numbers they see will have more influence than the UW model. That’s my view.
You know, I was applying common sense. On the other hand, those guys are not relying on UW data either, nor common sense. Perfect example of politicians not caring about their subjects....more interested in their re-election calculus.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:12 pmTrue only in those states in which Governors are strong enough to resist certain types of politics.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:51 pm I am focused on the daily deaths more than anything. The number of deaths and hospitalizations. Those two numbers decrease by a meaningful amount, we can lighten up. If they hold steady or go up, I don’t expect much change. The public health officials in each state and the numbers they see will have more influence than the UW model. That’s my view.
Some are making decisions out of ideology or pure stupidity ala the Governor of Georgia who suddenly learned that the virus can spread from asymptomatic carriers...'who knew'?
I am not watching TV.....Was that on PBS? Browsing on my laptop listening to Jutta Hipp.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
TrueTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pmYou know, I was applying common sense. On the other hand, those guys are not relying on UW data either, nor common sense. Perfect example of politicians not caring about their subjects....more interested in their re-election calculus.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:12 pmTrue only in those states in which Governors are strong enough to resist certain types of politics.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:51 pm I am focused on the daily deaths more than anything. The number of deaths and hospitalizations. Those two numbers decrease by a meaningful amount, we can lighten up. If they hold steady or go up, I don’t expect much change. The public health officials in each state and the numbers they see will have more influence than the UW model. That’s my view.
Some are making decisions out of ideology or pure stupidity ala the Governor of Georgia who suddenly learned that the virus can spread from asymptomatic carriers...'who knew'?
what are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
And a capable and engaged President (which we absolutely do not have now) would have jumped on the problem early and done something proactively. We would not be in this pickle. For all his faults GWB would have done it. Obama would have done it.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pmwhat are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
That’s what they were talking about. SK has what the US currently does not have, and has never had, because of the way we operate.....red tape, delays in approvals, etcwgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pmwhat are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2153BWyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:12 pmThat’s what they were talking about. SK has what the US currently does not have, and has never had, because of the way we operate.....red tape, delays in approvals, etcwgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pmwhat are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
you mean we didn't have a law passed years ago that allowed the government to invade your phone to conduct contact tracing of you and anyone you went near?youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:12 pmThat’s what they were talking about. SK has what the US currently does not have, and has never had, because of the way we operate.....red tape, delays in approvals, etcwgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pmwhat are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
The panel was discussing the simplest things like WTH is so special about a damned swab.....Gates danced around a direct answer by implying we simply have not operated that way. I took Gates’ reply as special interest winning the fight and we need fix this.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:23 pmyou mean we didn't have a law passed years ago that allowed the government to invade your phone to conduct contact tracing of you and anyone you went near?youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:12 pmThat’s what they were talking about. SK has what the US currently does not have, and has never had, because of the way we operate.....red tape, delays in approvals, etcwgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:31 pmwhat are you talking about, youth? look at south korea.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 pm Anyone listening to Bill Gates and Gupta on Anderson Cooper tonight? Saying essentially the same thing many here have argued.....testing and not getting results quickly are damned near useless if your are not getting results quickly. If you test everyone and it still tales a week to get an answer it of little value.
Gates then goes on to argue all the political / bureaucratic red tape for not having contact tracing.
Between the lines.....there is not a dang thing we can do or could have done to expedite testing the way we the USA currently operate.
This is also what many here have argued....more testing is of little value it you don’t get the results quickly.
and have 170 countries early on enact travel bans on us?
and a history of diiligence and obedience to wear masks and prep from a previous epidemic built into the culrure?