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Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:02 pm
by 6ftstick
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:05 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
This BS you post fails to take into consideration that all these programs have going our entire adult lives.
60 years worth of government intervention. Most people alive have structured their lives based on the world as it it.
Yep. What does that tell you? Outside of a handful of years out of the last 40 years, the Republican party has controlled Congress.
Rather than admit that your "small government Republican party" is based wholly on lying to you..... you double down, every single time, and hand me excuse after excuse as to why every chance your party gets, government spending explodes.
The great thing about this new place , and the water cooler of old...... is that I get to call you on your horses*it. Remember when Congressional Republicans, once again, expanded spending under Bush? And you told me that that was an "accident". "Whoops, we increased the size of the Federal government by 40% in 8 years".
And when I pointed out that Newt's "Contract with America" did the same thing----increased Federal spending by 30%, I got the same BS from you: that's a mistake. They didn't mean it. They HAD to spend that money.
And here you are again, telling me that "whoops, Trump and his R Congress accidentally spent $3 trillion more the Obama did."
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
Everything Trump trie he's vilified for it.
Sabotaged by his own party. Mocked and accused of every imaginable outrage by guys like you
Right. What did he "try"? Take your time. Tell me what Trump did? Give me bills that cut spending. Massive cuts.
Well, outside of $2.7 Trillion in new spending in three new massive
spending bills, not to mention the two massive $30 Billion+ handouts to farmers for doing nothing----oh yeah, Trump is trying to shrink government alright..
When do you finally catch on? What has to happen before you wake the firetruck up? Trump have to show up at you home, slap you in the face, and tell you "this spending is for my donors, and to keep the economy going?"
Wake up. You're not a kid anymore. This blindspot you have for little R's has long passed the point of ridiculousness. You IMMEDIATELY understand the Democrats are lying to you. But the instant a politician drops that R by their name? Out comes your excuses as to why they're making government bigger.
At what point to you understand you're being played? Lied to?
First step? Stop watching Hannity. You parrot his talking points like you have his show memorized. Turn it off, and think for yourself for five minutes. Hannity is getting paid to push Trump's agenda....and all that spending...through to viewers like you. Stop buying the buffalo bagels.
Oh please. there you go agin
Democrats ran things unabated postwar until the 90's when republicans tried to get a hold of the run away government.
Vilification damnation and nothing but barriers thrown up everywhere.
Remember Clinton telling us the age of big government was over. Laughable.
The fix was in
No one with power would let it happen those who tried—New Gingrich ex— were destroyed. (Remember newt balanced the budget not Bill Clinton)
As Trump would have been if he didn't have the personal stamina to withstand the onslaught.
How the h*ll would you know what Hannity says unless you watch him. I don't.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:09 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Bandito wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:24 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:19 am
yup, Frito you elevate discussion at every turn.
"She is a nasty whore who slept her way to the top."
What I said is true. Sorry facts are hard for you to understand.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/sen-kama ... y-fiction/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... arris-2020
The slimy, false sleaze from you is ridiculously ugly, moreover hypocritical in the extreme.
As a 20-something, after law school she was working in the San Fran DA's office when she began to date Mayor Willie Brown who had long been estranged from his wife. A couple of years. She was elected DA nearly a decade later in 2004, and then onward.
Let us know when you get off the sticky, genuine naugahyde sofa in your mom's basement.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
by 6ftstick
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:13 pm
by MDlaxfan76
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:02 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:05 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
This BS you post fails to take into consideration that all these programs have going our entire adult lives.
60 years worth of government intervention. Most people alive have structured their lives based on the world as it it.
Yep. What does that tell you? Outside of a handful of years out of the last 40 years, the Republican party has controlled Congress.
Rather than admit that your "small government Republican party" is based wholly on lying to you..... you double down, every single time, and hand me excuse after excuse as to why every chance your party gets, government spending explodes.
The great thing about this new place , and the water cooler of old...... is that I get to call you on your horses*it. Remember when Congressional Republicans, once again, expanded spending under Bush? And you told me that that was an "accident". "Whoops, we increased the size of the Federal government by 40% in 8 years".
And when I pointed out that Newt's "Contract with America" did the same thing----increased Federal spending by 30%, I got the same BS from you: that's a mistake. They didn't mean it. They HAD to spend that money.
And here you are again, telling me that "whoops, Trump and his R Congress accidentally spent $3 trillion more the Obama did."
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
Everything Trump trie he's vilified for it.
Sabotaged by his own party. Mocked and accused of every imaginable outrage by guys like you
Right. What did he "try"? Take your time. Tell me what Trump did? Give me bills that cut spending. Massive cuts.
Well, outside of $2.7 Trillion in new spending in three new massive
spending bills, not to mention the two massive $30 Billion+ handouts to farmers for doing nothing----oh yeah, Trump is trying to shrink government alright..
When do you finally catch on? What has to happen before you wake the firetruck up? Trump have to show up at you home, slap you in the face, and tell you "this spending is for my donors, and to keep the economy going?"
Wake up. You're not a kid anymore. This blindspot you have for little R's has long passed the point of ridiculousness. You IMMEDIATELY understand the Democrats are lying to you. But the instant a politician drops that R by their name? Out comes your excuses as to why they're making government bigger.
At what point to you understand you're being played? Lied to?
First step? Stop watching Hannity. You parrot his talking points like you have his show memorized. Turn it off, and think for yourself for five minutes. Hannity is getting paid to push Trump's agenda....and all that spending...through to viewers like you. Stop buying the buffalo bagels.
Oh please. there you go agin
Democrats ran things unabated postwar until the 90's when republicans tried to get a hold of the run away government.
Vilification damnation and nothing but barriers thrown up everywhere.
Remember Clinton telling us the age of big government was over. Laughable.
The fix was in
No one with power would let it happen those who tried—New Gingrich ex— were destroyed. (Remember newt balanced the budget not Bill Clinton)
As Trump would have been if he didn't have the personal stamina to withstand the onslaught.
How the h*ll would you know what Hannity says unless you watch him. I don't.
Did you miss those R Pesidents?
Not sure how you say the Dems "ran things unabated post-war" when Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, HW, W, were in office.
I think the point being made is that once the GOP also gained control of Congress plus the White House, deficits have skyrocketed.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
by 6ftstick
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:13 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:02 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:05 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
This BS you post fails to take into consideration that all these programs have going our entire adult lives.
60 years worth of government intervention. Most people alive have structured their lives based on the world as it it.
Yep. What does that tell you? Outside of a handful of years out of the last 40 years, the Republican party has controlled Congress.
Rather than admit that your "small government Republican party" is based wholly on lying to you..... you double down, every single time, and hand me excuse after excuse as to why every chance your party gets, government spending explodes.
The great thing about this new place , and the water cooler of old...... is that I get to call you on your horses*it. Remember when Congressional Republicans, once again, expanded spending under Bush? And you told me that that was an "accident". "Whoops, we increased the size of the Federal government by 40% in 8 years".
And when I pointed out that Newt's "Contract with America" did the same thing----increased Federal spending by 30%, I got the same BS from you: that's a mistake. They didn't mean it. They HAD to spend that money.
And here you are again, telling me that "whoops, Trump and his R Congress accidentally spent $3 trillion more the Obama did."
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
Everything Trump trie he's vilified for it.
Sabotaged by his own party. Mocked and accused of every imaginable outrage by guys like you
Right. What did he "try"? Take your time. Tell me what Trump did? Give me bills that cut spending. Massive cuts.
Well, outside of $2.7 Trillion in new spending in three new massive
spending bills, not to mention the two massive $30 Billion+ handouts to farmers for doing nothing----oh yeah, Trump is trying to shrink government alright..
When do you finally catch on? What has to happen before you wake the firetruck up? Trump have to show up at you home, slap you in the face, and tell you "this spending is for my donors, and to keep the economy going?"
Wake up. You're not a kid anymore. This blindspot you have for little R's has long passed the point of ridiculousness. You IMMEDIATELY understand the Democrats are lying to you. But the instant a politician drops that R by their name? Out comes your excuses as to why they're making government bigger.
At what point to you understand you're being played? Lied to?
First step? Stop watching Hannity. You parrot his talking points like you have his show memorized. Turn it off, and think for yourself for five minutes. Hannity is getting paid to push Trump's agenda....and all that spending...through to viewers like you. Stop buying the buffalo bagels.
Oh please. there you go agin
Democrats ran things unabated postwar until the 90's when republicans tried to get a hold of the run away government.
Vilification damnation and nothing but barriers thrown up everywhere.
Remember Clinton telling us the age of big government was over. Laughable.
The fix was in
No one with power would let it happen those who tried—New Gingrich ex— were destroyed. (Remember newt balanced the budget not Bill Clinton)
As Trump would have been if he didn't have the personal stamina to withstand the onslaught.
How the h*ll would you know what Hannity says unless you watch him. I don't.
Did you miss those R Pesidents?
Not sure how you say the Dems "ran things unabated post-war" when Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, HW, W, were in office.
I think the point being made is that once the GOP also gained control of Congress plus the White House, deficits have skyrocketed.
House and senate were democrat monopolies.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
by MDlaxfan76
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:26 pm
by 6ftstick
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Nice spin.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:28 pm
by MDlaxfan76
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:13 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:02 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:05 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
This BS you post fails to take into consideration that all these programs have going our entire adult lives.
60 years worth of government intervention. Most people alive have structured their lives based on the world as it it.
Yep. What does that tell you? Outside of a handful of years out of the last 40 years, the Republican party has controlled Congress.
Rather than admit that your "small government Republican party" is based wholly on lying to you..... you double down, every single time, and hand me excuse after excuse as to why every chance your party gets, government spending explodes.
The great thing about this new place , and the water cooler of old...... is that I get to call you on your horses*it. Remember when Congressional Republicans, once again, expanded spending under Bush? And you told me that that was an "accident". "Whoops, we increased the size of the Federal government by 40% in 8 years".
And when I pointed out that Newt's "Contract with America" did the same thing----increased Federal spending by 30%, I got the same BS from you: that's a mistake. They didn't mean it. They HAD to spend that money.
And here you are again, telling me that "whoops, Trump and his R Congress accidentally spent $3 trillion more the Obama did."
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:44 pm
Everything Trump trie he's vilified for it.
Sabotaged by his own party. Mocked and accused of every imaginable outrage by guys like you
Right. What did he "try"? Take your time. Tell me what Trump did? Give me bills that cut spending. Massive cuts.
Well, outside of $2.7 Trillion in new spending in three new massive
spending bills, not to mention the two massive $30 Billion+ handouts to farmers for doing nothing----oh yeah, Trump is trying to shrink government alright..
When do you finally catch on? What has to happen before you wake the firetruck up? Trump have to show up at you home, slap you in the face, and tell you "this spending is for my donors, and to keep the economy going?"
Wake up. You're not a kid anymore. This blindspot you have for little R's has long passed the point of ridiculousness. You IMMEDIATELY understand the Democrats are lying to you. But the instant a politician drops that R by their name? Out comes your excuses as to why they're making government bigger.
At what point to you understand you're being played? Lied to?
First step? Stop watching Hannity. You parrot his talking points like you have his show memorized. Turn it off, and think for yourself for five minutes. Hannity is getting paid to push Trump's agenda....and all that spending...through to viewers like you. Stop buying the buffalo bagels.
Oh please. there you go agin
Democrats ran things unabated postwar until the 90's when republicans tried to get a hold of the run away government.
Vilification damnation and nothing but barriers thrown up everywhere.
Remember Clinton telling us the age of big government was over. Laughable.
The fix was in
No one with power would let it happen those who tried—New Gingrich ex— were destroyed. (Remember newt balanced the budget not Bill Clinton)
As Trump would have been if he didn't have the personal stamina to withstand the onslaught.
How the h*ll would you know what Hannity says unless you watch him. I don't.
Did you miss those R Pesidents?
Not sure how you say the Dems "ran things unabated post-war" when Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, HW, W, were in office.
I think the point being made is that once the GOP also gained control of Congress plus the White House, deficits have skyrocketed.
House and senate were democrat monopolies.
Not monopolies. Just in control. In a period when filibusters were honored. And when an R was in the Oval Office, the Dems certainly did not have a veto proof majority.
But that's not even the point. It's that when the GOP have held all levers of power, we have blown out deficits, the exact opposite of our promises for fiscal restraint. I'm a Republican and it's really disappointing how flagrantly hypocritical we've become.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:43 pm
by MDlaxfan76
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:26 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Nice spin.
Spin? I actually watched the debates, and the follow-ups.
Did you?
Look, I was rooting for Biden to do well as it certainly seems on paper that Biden would beat Trump by the widest margin. But not if he doesn't have the juice.
Right now Harris looks like someone who would mop the floor with Trump in a 1:1 debate. Booker less so, but I think he too would crush Trump 1:1.
But I still fear the soft racism of less educated white working class older voters.
I think Mayor Pete would absolutely destroy Trump in a debate environment, but I don't think he's likely to excite the African American part of the Dem base and there's real risk on the margin for the homophobes. Love to see Pete go up against Pence though. Talk about crushing an idiot.
I really don't like Warren, but she too would crush Trump in a debate in which anyone was actually listening. But she has none of the charm of those I mention above and I think charm still matters in how we vote. We want to actually like the person. Makes me nervous, plus I worry about the kinds of policies she advocates. I dunno whether she's willing to be practical or will just be ideological.
Bernie's toast IMO, thankfully. But that's largely to Warren's benefit.
So, it would be great if Biden had his mojo and could go toe to toe with Trump...but I'm not sure he has it.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:43 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:08 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:02 pm
It's revealing to watch a (D) use this tactic on one of their own.
Before this, I thought Biden - Harris was the most likely (D) ticket to emerge.
Not sure they can fix this one.
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They can't. The extremists are calling the shots.
And you act like you're surprised.
You thought there'd be no reaction to President Trump's vitriol? We're lucky it's been as calm as it's been. It could have been far worse.
We did this to ourselves. Welcome aboard. Centrists need not apply.....
.
. ... yeah, that's it. It's all Trump's fault that the woke(D)TDSzombies are devouring their own not quite dead yet liberal uncle.
More likely the jibberish legal academia has been packing between their ears since preschool.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:53 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm...he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists.
Yeah sure. Biden was making a racist states right argument. .
.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... te-vpx.cnn
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Busing was ultimately undone after white flight.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 pm
by tech37
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pmWho is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
You're being kooky... you can't admit that Harris and Booker are playing the race card big time with their out-of-context attacks on Biden?!
Biden has solid AA support and these two posers will do whatever they can to cut into that support. It's quite obvious. Your latent liberalism betrays you.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:34 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:53 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm...he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists.
Yeah sure. Biden was making a racist states right argument. .
.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... te-vpx.cnn
Sorry, I'm old enough to remember how vitriolic the racist response to busing was, not just in the south but in the north as well. I remember the interviews with kids in Southie Boston and wondering whether I was in Alabama, the racist epithets were so fierce. Incredibly gross.
It was indeed a traumatic time, as the status quo, which was the result of generations of racist redlining, was being upended. It was hard, it was painful, and eventually it was abandoned. With no real replacement, so we still have deeply segregated schools by and large.
This concept of de jure segregation versus de facto ignores that while the laws of who could attend which school may have changed, the reality was that underlying segregation by neighborhood was deeply entrenched, resulting in segregated schools. The racists didn't need de jure, they were in control in other ways.
Whether busing was the best answer or not is debatable. Something was clearly necessary to break down many barriers, but the backlash ultimately won out. We don't really know what would have occurred had we stayed the course.
But, yes, Joe went to this notion of 'voluntary busing' meaning the local community, however racist it might be, could decide whether to desegregate their schools in a meaningful way or not. States rights over federal.
I think that was a stumble, not that Biden actually believes in the states rights argument. But he blew it, again.
How do we break through racism?
A lot of science makes clear that getting to know one another as individuals makes an enormous difference to racial attitudes and assumptions. Kids, especially young kids, are much more open to that process. It's the parents and local communities that are the problem. Which is why busing was abandoned.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:41 pm
by MDlaxfan76
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:22 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pmWho is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
You're being kooky... you can't admit that Harris and Booker are playing the race card big time with their out-of-context attacks on Biden?!
Biden has solid AA support and these two posers will do whatever they can to cut into that support. It's quite obvious. Your latent liberalism betrays you.
"latent liberalism"??
Good phrase.
Like our Founders, I do believe in classical liberalism, the protection of individuals and minorities from the power of the state and the mob.
But you seem to ignore the rest of my post. Biden's not a racist, no one thinks he is.
Moreover, I was rooting for him to do well as I thought he had the best chance of trouncing Trump. And as a life long Republican, I think the only way the GOP survives as a credible major party is for Trumpism to be rebuked so hard that the GOP needs to find their way out of the wilderness they've wandered into over the past 2 decades.
But he's out of step, and, at least to my eye, over the hill.
He's old. Not that he was ever actually swift on his feet.
Maybe he'll bounce back. But if not, I'm looking for who will best whup Trump.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:47 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Busing was ultimately undone after white flight.
Yes, flight to political jurisdictions that had low diversity.
Busing and especially 'voluntary busing' was within specific jurisdictions, so those with mobility simply left diverse jurisdictions.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:58 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Busing was ultimately undone after white flight.
Yes, flight to political jurisdictions that had low diversity.
Busing and especially 'voluntary busing' was within specific jurisdictions, so those with mobility simply left diverse jurisdictions.
It’s a complicated issue and it was a strange time.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:59 pm
by tech37
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:41 pmBut you seem to ignore the rest of my post. Biden's not a racist, no one thinks he is.
Didn't ignore, didn't have a problem with that. The problem is with your defense of Harris and Spartacus.
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:01 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Busing was ultimately undone after white flight.
Yes, flight to political jurisdictions that had low diversity.
Busing and especially 'voluntary busing' was within specific jurisdictions, so those with mobility simply left diverse jurisdictions.
It’s a complicated issue and it was a strange time.
I just watched the first two episodes of City on a Hill...yikes!
Re: 2020 Elections - Off and Running
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:01 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:04 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:24 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm
Wasn't Joe Biden the vice president in the first Black American Presidents administration? For both terms?
How'd that nasty racist ever wiggle into that spot.
Who is calling him a racist? Certainly not Harris, nor Booker.
I'd say he's over the hill, but certainly not a racist.
He blew the opportunity to answer the challenge. There were so many artful ways to have responded, but he stumbled into using a 'states rights' sort of argument, which I'm quite confident he fully understands is the argument that was used (and is still being used) by the worst of the racists. It was a stumble, a bumble.
It would have been so easy to have said, something like: yes, the struggle to achieve civil rights was difficult and messy, often involving compromises that, in retrospect, are easy to critique from afar. But for those of us were actually fighting the battles to achieve a more perfect union, for those of us who were there, it was more complicated. Let's recognize that we have made major progress from those days, yet we have new battles to fight as we certainly have not yet achieved racial justice. Let's face the struggles of today together, not tear each other apart. This struggle is too important not to be together.
Instead, the critique stuck. But it's more about being over the hill than anything else.
Busing was ultimately undone after white flight.
Yes, flight to political jurisdictions that had low diversity.
Busing and especially 'voluntary busing' was within specific jurisdictions, so those with mobility simply left diverse jurisdictions.
It’s a complicated issue and it was a strange time.
I just watched the first two episodes of City on a Hill...yikes!
Netflix?