tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 am
BS, cheap shot line...and once again, I'm not a Republican.
For a guy who likes to rip on posters for misrepresenting opinions, you sure don't mind doing the same thing. Show me where I wrote that you were a Republican. I know you're not a Republican.
If you don't want me to imply that your thinking is meatheaded, stop confusing the means with the goal, and stop blindly following Trump.
Standing up to China isn't a goal, even though you sure seem to think it is. It's merely a tool. What good does acting tough do if it doesn't attain your goal of changing China's behavior? My answer is: it makes dumb, thoughtless Republican voters happy. It's why Trump keeps doing it.
So Republican voters are thrilled that Trump "stood up to" Iran, N Korea, and now China. They don't care----even a little---- if we have moved the football one single inch closer to the goal line with each of those problem countries. It's meatheaded, and confuses a tool in the toolbox (talking tough) with a goal (getting another country to change its behavior).
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 am
Sure, you're great at second-guessing and framing your positions from hindsight...good for you.
You're not this stupid, just stop it.
I didn't second guess diddly. I told you MONTHS AGO what would happen, and exactly what would play out. What did you say then? Oh yeah...you called me Mr. Instant Gratification. Now here you are telling me I'm second guessing. What a joke. If your ability to listen to other view points is really this bad, you might as well switch your name to Bandito and get it over with.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 am
The basic point you still don't seem to realize is China's bad acts will never change until they're called out for it... they've been called out and that alone is huge.
That's not even a part of the discussion.. Great. Trump called them out. The question today, as it was months ago, is what is Trump doing to achieve his goal, while at the same time doing everything possible to minimize the damage done to Americans and the American economy?
When I ask these questions, you tune out. And when you do that, you come across as a selfish 2019 Republican tw*t: "I got mine, bollocks to everyone else". If you got laid off over this lack of economic planning, you'd be singing a different tune. I don't know what happened to Americans that we arrived so very quickly at this "every man for himself" attitude, but here we are.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 am
So you're the guy who is now going to tell everyone the proper way it should have been done
I told you how we should do it months ago, and I'm telling you how we should do it now. You and Old Salt are all over other posters when they complain about something Trump does, without offering another path. And now that Ive laid out a better way---several times in, in fact---you're here giving me grief yet again. It's becoming very clear that the only opinion you're going to accept here is: "hooray Trump".
As for telling you the way the Trade War should be executed, I sure as *hit could do a better job at it than the idiot you're following without question. Anyone with a leadership position in business could do a better job than Trump.
Here's a simple question: we are on the path toward a Cold War with China. As in: no trading at all. You're such a fanboy of Trump being on the "right track".....tell me: what's Trump doing to ensure that guys like me can have access to the things I'm currently getting from China? What's he doing to make sure that companies who sell things to China have new buyers in other markets?
When you realize the answer is: nothing. Get back to me.
If you're unfortunate enough to get laid off over this trade war, i think you'll finally understand why I'm critical, and why I'm concerned for my fellow Americans. So long as you have your job and a roof over your head, you think this Trade War is a game. I'm glad for you that you're insulated from Trump's decisions. As for the rest of us, we're hoping Trump finds a better way. Every single trade group I'm a part of is busy petitioning various government reps to help us access markets other than China.
Our pleas are falling on deaf ears. This SHOULD bother you. Obviously, it doesn't.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:21 am
And I don't believe you're "ok with standing up to China." What a whimpy, unconvincing way to state it.
At the big boy table, we outsmart our opponents. Talking tough is nothing more than bluster from weak opponents with low self-esteem. Notice how much Iran and Kim Il does it? Now why would we follow their lead?