Navy 2022

[oldjayfan]

So we now have an OC in Ross, that will surely change not only practice schematics and individual development, but concepts that align with how the game has evolved in the last 10 + years. In his 2017 IMLCA presentation, the man clearly gets it and is young enough to have a pulse on the implementation and comparisons of hoops and the indoor game. Interestingly enough, some of his "standards" align with those pillars of success spoke of and coached by Meade via the Stockdale Center. Coincidence?....maybe, but who cares, plagiarism is not always a bad thing.

Yup...that's the one.

Just waiting for ALL that offensive talent, that RS recruited(and RW) yet was too stubborn to play, to show how great they really are
Coach Ross will surely have a full cupboard of talent to play with, eh? Looking forward to a crazy big(bigly) increase in offensive production in 2020!!
Go Mids!!

[youthathletics]

So we now have an OC in Ross, that will surely change not only practice schematics and individual development, but concepts that align with how the game has evolved in the last 10 + years. In his 2017 IMLCA presentation, the man clearly gets it and is young enough to have a pulse on the implementation and comparisons of hoops and the indoor game. Interestingly enough, some of his "standards" align with those pillars of success spoke of and coached by Meade via the Stockdale Center. Coincidence?....maybe, but who cares, plagiarism is not always a bad thing.

Yup...that's the one.

Just waiting for ALL that offensive talent, that RS recruited(and RW) yet was too stubborn to play, to show how great they really are
Coach Ross will surely have a full cupboard of talent to play with, eh? Looking forward to a crazy big(bigly) increase in offensive production in 2020!!
Go Mids!!

Nowhere to go but up after being ranked 7th in scoring for the entire patriot league. That offense schematic was so unfriggenbelievably complex that even an USNA caveman could not grasp it...oh wait, maybe it was that the opposition learned how to stop that highly sophisticated offense when they played it in 1985.

We should have also just started wearing 3 ring tube socks, chuck taylors, and smoke marlboro reds on the sidelines while we were are at it. I get the gov't is often stuck decades back in process...it does not mean the athletics has to follow that trait.

[oldjayfan]

Agreed youth! And while they're at it, the new coaching staff should tell the boyz to not turn it over via bad passes, forced feeds and bad clearing attempts!!

[AreaLax]

Looks like Amplo has landed his first commitment ‘21 Colin Shadowens, F/O, Severna Park (Md.) / @API_Diamondback

[youthathletics]

Agreed youth! And while they're at it, the new coaching staff should tell the boyz to not turn it over via bad passes, forced feeds and bad clearing attempts!!

No doubt ojf, that sure was painful to watch.... and now we are getting somewhere.
We've already been over the TO issue pages back, and it was our two captains with the most....often trying their darnedest to make something happen after they first wasted 20+ seconds of subbing and getting their 1st and 2nd midfielder into dodging position, then the additional 25-30 seconds trying to elude a defense that pressed out on the initial dodge-pass-pass to re-dodge, only being left with 10-15 seconds to try and thread the needle into a defense that was out on the hands & pressed AJ. Thank God Ryan Wade had the vision he did, otherwise it may have been much worse. Many of the goals came from attackmen just playing the game of lacrosse, freely, and being creative AFTER the schematic O broke down.

[oldjayfan]

Agreed youth! And while they're at it, the new coaching staff should tell the boyz to not turn it over via bad passes, forced feeds and bad clearing attempts!!

No doubt ojf, that sure was painful to watch.... and now we are getting somewhere.
We've already been over the TO issue pages back, and it was our two captains with the most....often trying their darnedest to make something happen after they first wasted 20+ seconds of subbing and getting their 1st and 2nd midfielder into dodging position, then the additional 25-30 seconds trying to elude a defense that pressed out on the initial dodge-pass-pass to re-dodge, only being left with 10-15 seconds to try and thread the needle into a defense that was out on the hands & pressed AJ. Thank God Ryan Wade had the vision he did, otherwise it may have been much worse. Many of the goals came from attackmen just playing the game of lacrosse, freely, and being creative AFTER the schematic O broke down.

Every "good" offensive team has an O scheme that is merely used to change sets and confuse slides--rarely does a set play work given the scouting of today. Teams start with a scheme and then attack matchups(often with a big/little pick). Some teams ONLY dodge vs the shorties...either way, you need someone that can beat their man and either shoot or draw & dump. Torain was the only consistent one at that(at least when I watched Navy) and he was a poor shooter and passer--he did play d-mid in HS for a reason! Wade was splendid at times and absolutely frustrating many other times. The attack is solid, but the lefty was the only one I saw really challenge he defender...all I'm saying is "be careful what you wish for"... Easy to blame the coach for lack of scoring, but playing "freely" often leads to T/O's...many teams play close to the vest these days(even notorious run/gun teams like SU).

[youthathletics]

Agreed youth! And while they're at it, the new coaching staff should tell the boyz to not turn it over via bad passes, forced feeds and bad clearing attempts!!

No doubt ojf, that sure was painful to watch.... and now we are getting somewhere.
We've already been over the TO issue pages back, and it was our two captains with the most....often trying their darnedest to make something happen after they first wasted 20+ seconds of subbing and getting their 1st and 2nd midfielder into dodging position, then the additional 25-30 seconds trying to elude a defense that pressed out on the initial dodge-pass-pass to re-dodge, only being left with 10-15 seconds to try and thread the needle into a defense that was out on the hands & pressed AJ. Thank God Ryan Wade had the vision he did, otherwise it may have been much worse. Many of the goals came from attackmen just playing the game of lacrosse, freely, and being creative AFTER the schematic O broke down.

Every "good" offensive team has an O scheme that is merely used to change sets and confuse slides--rarely does a set play work given the scouting of today. Teams start with a scheme and then attack matchups(often with a big/little pick). Some teams ONLY dodge vs the shorties...either way, you need someone that can beat their man and either shoot or draw & dump. Torain was the only consistent one at that(at least when I watched Navy) and he was a poor shooter and passer--he did play d-mid in HS for a reason! Wade was splendid at times and absolutely frustrating many other times. The attack is solid, but the lefty was the only one I saw really challenge he defender...all I'm saying is "be careful what you wish for"... Easy to blame the coach for lack of scoring, but playing "freely" often leads to T/O's...many teams play close to the vest these days(even notorious run/gun teams like SU).

I agree, for the most part. The only part you may have missed over the years is that our opening set(s) for the past handful+ of years, were that they morphed into the same 2nd and 3rd set formations....which meant the D could sit back and just wait for the expected dodge to occur into an already scouter set.

I appreciate the "be careful what you wish for" comment. I am not naive and think we are UVA part deux, but I believe these players have the athleticism to run with the big guys and the skill set to certainly take home the PL tournament.

[laxxygilmore]

Looks like Amplo has landed his first commitment ‘21 Colin Shadowens, F/O, Severna Park (Md.) / @API_Diamondback

Kudos. Nice add to the Mids roster for Coach Wellner to develop into yet another skilled Navy FO man.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/50545

[youthathletics]

Indeed, a nice pickup. Watched him play this Spring, very talented young man.

[oldjayfan]

YES! Because we all know college faceoff men are "developed" Heck, there may be 3 or 4 on the yard right now that could be developed!!

[youthathletics]

YES! Because we all know college faceoff men are "developed" Heck, there may be 3 or 4 on the yard right now that could be developed!!

Such a true statement......but only 1 hardly ever got game reps. Notice a theme?

[oldjayfan]

Exactly, thank goodness RW is free of RS's grip

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Enough chickens have been choked over the years. They can all now come home to roost.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Oh, survived MRE last night. Could have used one more traffic control officer on Chesapeake Ave to prevent Charlie Foxtrot.

I missed a fine opportunity to deploy Falcon Codes.

[youthathletics]

What does MRE have to do with Chesapeake Ave? Falcon Codes are a staple of DTA Traffic.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

What does MRE have to do with Chesapeake Ave? Falcon Codes are a staple of DTA Traffic.

The Maritime Republic

[laxpere]

The other issue is that he just plays starters and sticks with that and no one else gets ANY playing time.
Roster sizes are huge, and he almost never puts in backups. More than half the kids on the roster never even see the field.
If you're deep into the Fourth Quarter and you're winning big or you're losing big you should put in your backups. Coaching 101.
That's the only way to develop depth. He'd rather run guys into the ground then play his depth. That is not a good thing.
There are so many issues that you can identify with this staff, from not playing their best players to player development and depth development.

Wow! Thought I was reading the Navy thread for a minute!! How much of this "player development" falls to the PLAYER?!

From the Johns Hopkins 2020 forum. It does sound familiar combined with the observations about Navy Lacrossse v.2019 in the exchange above between Youth and OJF.
So it's out with the old, but what will the new bring?
What midfielders will step up?
Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020!

[AreaLax]

Il twitter
Some coaching movement, via multiple sources: Ryan Wellner will go to @NDlacrosse; John Orsen will rejoin Joe Amplo on @navymlax staff. Orsen used to work with Amplo at Marquette

[Tecumseh]

Il twitter
Some coaching movement, via multiple sources: Ryan Wellner will go to @NDlacrosse; John Orsen will rejoin Joe Amplo on @navymlax staff. Orsen used to work with Amplo at Marquette

I personally think that the Navy MLAX Community needs to thank Coach Wellner for his time on the Yard. He is a class act who was put into an awkward Situation by events surrounding him coming from multiple directions . I suspect in the long run this change will serve him well . He was loyal to RS and that may have ultimately hurt him professionally in his quest for a HC job. He will do an outstanding job for the Irish walking in behind Coach Byrne . I wish he and his family the very best personally and professionally.

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[laxxygilmore]

Il twitter
Some coaching movement, via multiple sources: Ryan Wellner will go to @NDlacrosse; John Orsen will rejoin Joe Amplo on @navymlax staff. Orsen used to work with Amplo at Marquette

I personally think that the Navy MLAX Community needs to thank Coach Wellner for his time on the Yard. He is a class act who was put into an awkward Situation by events surrounding him coming from multiple directions . I suspect in the long run this change will serve him well . He was loyal to RS and that may have ultimately hurt him professionally in his quest for a HC job. He will do an outstanding job for the Irish walking in behind Coach Byrne . I wish he and his family the very best personally and professionally.

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“T”

Agreed, "T". Quite a hire by ND indeed.

Looks like Amplo has landed his first commitment ‘21 Colin Shadowens, F/O, Severna Park (Md.) / @API_Diamondback

Kudos. Nice add to the Mids roster for Coach Wellner to develop into yet another skilled Navy FO man.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/50545

...or Coach Orsen to develop. ...along with Nick Barry; Joe Miller; Shaun Herock and Jacob Jarosz.

https://denverpioneers.com/coaches.aspx ... &path=mlax

Former Marquette defensive coordinator and Hofstra (2006) stand out John Orsen joined head coach Bill Tierney's staff in September of 2014 as an assistant coach and the defensive coordinator.

Orsen coached four-time All-American selection Christian Burgdorf to his first-ever first team award from the USILA. Burgdorf was drafted by the Atlanta Blaze in the 2017 MLL Collegiate Draft. In his fourth year, Orsen once again coached faceoff specialist Trevor Baptiste who earned his fourth-straight USILA First Team award, the sixth player in the history of the award to earn First Team All-America honors in all four collegiate seasons.

In his first season as the Pioneers' DC and faceoff coach, the national-champion Pioneers were 12th in the nation in scoring defense (8.47) and second in scoring margin (+5.26). In six postseason games in 2015, the Pioneers defense held their opponents to less than 10 goals in four of them, including limiting Maryland to just five scores in the National Championship game.
Denver had a USILA Second Team All-American in sophomore Christian Burgdorf and an Honorable Mention All-American in senior Carson Cannon in 2015.

Under Orsen's watch, freshman faceoff-specialist Trevor Baptiste set the NCAA record for faceoff wins by a freshman, and recorded the fourth-most faceoff wins in NCAA history (310). Baptiste was named a USILA First Team All-American in the duo's first year together.

Following the 2015 National Championship, Orsen’s second campaign saw the Pioneers win their third-straight BIG EAST Regular Season titles en route to earning its highest national seed in the NCAA Tournament in program history. In the campaign, the Denver defense was 21st in scoring average (9.13), eighth in man-down defense (0.706) and seventh in ground balls per-game (32.44).

Orsen coached First Team All-Americans Christian Burgdorf and Trevor Baptiste in 2016.

In 2017, Denver got back to Championship Weekend for the second time in Orsen's tenure. The Pioneers faceoff crew led the country once again, while the Denver defense finished 13th in scoring defense (8.76). DU was second in scoring margin (+4.71) and 19th in ground balls per game (30.18).

Baptiste once again earned USILA First Team honors, while Burgdorf capped off his career with a second team selection.

In 2018, Orsen's defense finished third in the country in scoring defense at 7.88 goals per game, including a stretch of 27 goals allowed in five BIG EAST regular season games, the first time in Denver's program history that the Pioneers held five-straight opponents to six goals or less. The 27 goals allowed in a five-game stretch was also the lowest in the program's history since 1970.

Orsen coached USILA Third Team All-America pick Dylan Gaines and Honorable Mention selection Dylan Johnson.

Denver's 2019 defense ranked fifth in the country in scoring defense, while finishing 72nd in saves per game. Matt Neufeldt finished sixth in the country in caused turnovers per game. In the first year without Trevor Baptiste, Orsen coached freshman Brett Boos to the 26th best faceoff percentage in the country at 58-percent. SSDM and captain Danny Logan and senior close defenseman Dylan Gaines earned Honorable Mention All-America honors.

Orsen was a member of Marquette's inaugural staff, helping officially start the Golden Eagles' program in 2013. The Cold Spring Harbor, N.Y., native was hired in May of 2011 to assist Marquette head man Joe Amplo in starting the program. In their first campaign, Marquette went 5-8, and Orsen coached the Golden Eagles' defense to a No. 18 national mark in ground ball margin.

In 2014, Marquette went 6-10, including 4-2 in the BIG EAST, earning a conference tournament semifinal appearance. Orsen's defense played a key role in the Golden Eagles' four BIG EAST wins a year ago, including holding Georgetown to one goal in the final 23:36 of regulation, giving the offense the opportunity to turn a 9-3 second half deficit into an 11-10 victory.

As a player, Orsen transitioned from attack to defense while at Hofstra, earning a spot on the USILA All-America Honorable Mention squad in his final collegiate campaign. In that 2006 season, Orsen and the Pride reached the NCAA Quarterfinals after a 14-8 win over Providence in the first round. Orsen captained his club in both his junior and senior seasons, leading the team to a 17-2 mark in 2006, and earning First Team All-CAA honors.

Coach Amplo is building quite an impressive staff indeed for the Mids.